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See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Today's Topics: 1. Re: Mike (Beungood8@aol.com) 2. RE: Re: Mike (michael tomlinson) 3. Sensei's in TKD (Master Mark Seidel) 4. RE: Re: Testing Your Own Child (B.J. Pritchett) (Lasich, Mark D.) 5. Re: Testing Your Own Child (B.J. Pritchett) (Lasich, Mark D.) 6. Are you ready to fight a trained opponent? (Jye nigma) 7. Re: Are you ready to fight a trained opponent? (daomyer@aol.com) 8. Re: Are you ready to fight a trained opponent? (Christian Briggs) 9. Trained Opponent (Gordon Okerstrom) 10. Re: Fight Quest (aburrese@aol.com) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: Beungood8@aol.com Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 22:31:09 EST To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Mike Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net In a message dated 2/12/2008 7:55:04 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net writes: That was a great test....I couldn't walk right for about two weeks from the chipped bone and torn cartilage in my left foot and my middle finger on my right hand still has a big lump on it where Master McCarty broke it....BUT...I wouldn't trade those memories for anything... Brings back memories... I bet you didn;'t know Mike has investments in ADVIL and Flexerall 454... **************The year's hottest artists on the red carpet at the Grammy Awards. Go to AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys?NCID=aolcmp00300000002565) --__--__-- Message: 2 From: michael tomlinson To: Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Re: Mike Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2008 12:34:41 +0000 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net LOL,,, I used to think that the reason the main Hapkido weapon is the cane was kind of devious and tricky...as I get older and still do Hapkido now I realize it is just a common sense necessity grown out of the fact that you have one with you most of the time!!! Michael Tomlinson> From: Beungood8@aol.com> Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 22:31:09 -0500> To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net> Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Mike> > In a message dated 2/12/2008 7:55:04 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net writes:> > That was a great test....I couldn't walk right for about two weeks from the> chipped bone and torn cartilage in my left foot and my middle finger on my> right hand still has a big lump on it where Master McCarty broke > it....BUT...I> wouldn't trade those memories for anything...> > > Brings back memories... I bet you didn;'t know Mike has investments in ADVIL > and Flexerall 454...> > > > **************The year's hottest artists on the red carpet at the Grammy > Awards. Go to AOL Music. > (http://music.aol.com/grammys?NCID=aolcmp00300000002565)> _______________________________________________> The_Dojang mailing list, 2,300 members> The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net> Copyright 1994-2008: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource> Standard disclaimers apply > Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://the-dojang.net _________________________________________________________________ Connect and share in new ways with Windows Live. http://www.windowslive.com/share.html?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_Wave2_sharelife_012008 --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "Master Mark Seidel" To: Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2008 10:06:21 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Sensei's in TKD Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hi All , Wow the response that I have gotten from that original e-mail was helpful. I thought would I would give you the reason behind it. I work for a school grades k-8th, that has Taekwondo as it's PE program, we are members of USKMAF. My new Principal had 2 of her own children who are now adults that took (allegedly TKD for 12 years), she is one of those typical Dojang Moms that think they know more than the Master/Sensei/Instructor via sitting in the Dojang and watching her children for 12 years. Black Belt by Osmosis, I know you have all experienced those Moms and Dads. Consequently as my boss she comes up with the most bizarre statements and requests, most notably thinking that children can promote through the belt system taking one, one hour class per week. I was given a certificate to hand out to students that wore their uniforms ( a t-shirt and sweat pants and belt) 100% per semester, under my signature was the designation Master Mark Seidel, Master, Sensei, Instructor, I hasten to add that I have been called Master Mark for 8 years. When I asked that the designation be corrected my boss blurted out that her kids called their TKD instructor Sensei. That's when I knew the jig was up. When I asked her the name of the school/ Sensei she couldn't remember either. Imagine taking your kids from white belt to Black Belt over a 12 year period and you don't remember the name of the school but you remember every aspect of the curriculum. How many checks do you think she wrote either to the school or the Sensei ? Ray Terry put It best when posed with the original question of a TKD Master being called Sensei, he said " he's probably neither". Hope to see most of you in Jackson at GM West's seminar this month. Mark --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2008 13:45:11 -0500 From: "Lasich, Mark D." To: "Dojang" Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: Re: Testing Your Own Child (B.J. Pritchett) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Sorry - It just occurred to me that you were not inviting your instructor to your testing. I guess I feel even stronger now - sending your son "out of sight" and coming back with his Cho Dahn will lose the connection your son has with the other students he trains with, and will forever create a "black hole" in the minds of others who did not witness and, more importantly, did not share in the experience. In a nutshell: do it yourself. In the Spirit, Mark > _____________________________________________ > From: Lasich, Mark D. > Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2008 1:37 PM > To: Dojang > Subject: Re: Testing Your Own Child (B.J. Pritchett) > > BJ: > > In response to whether or not to test your own son for Cho Dahn: > > From my point of view, I would run this testing as you would any > other. If your instructor is invited for other tests, then invite him, > if not, then don't. > > Sure, you run the risk of some thinking your son's testing is not > impartial, however you also set the stage that other students may want > the privilege of testing in front of your instructor at future > testings - it runs both ways. In fact, what would students think if > they knew your instructor was only brought in for your son's sake? > > The discipline, integrity and respect must be part of the normal > curriculum, and not just defined by testing. If there is consistency > in training and testing, nobody (including your son) should question > either. > > For my part, my son actually failed a color belt testing when I was on > the panel. He knows my expectations are high and his response to that > seems to make those testings more challenging. I think it's easier for > him when I am not on the testing panel. > > Best wishes for whatever path you choose. Just asking the question > shows your involvement and concern for your son. > > > In the Spirit, > Mark Lasich > www.karatequips.com --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2008 13:37:01 -0500 From: "Lasich, Mark D." To: "Dojang" Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Testing Your Own Child (B.J. Pritchett) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net BJ: In response to whether or not to test your own son for Cho Dahn: >From my point of view, I would run this testing as you would any other. If your instructor is invited for other tests, then invite him, if not, then don't. Sure, you run the risk of some thinking your son's testing is not impartial, however you also set the stage that other students may want the privilege of testing in front of your instructor at future testings - it runs both ways. In fact, what would students think if they knew your instructor was only brought in for your son's sake? The discipline, integrity and respect must be part of the normal curriculum, and not just defined by testing. If there is consistency in training and testing, nobody (including your son) should question either. For my part, my son actually failed a color belt testing when I was on the panel. He knows my expectations are high and his response to that seems to make those testings more challenging. I think it's easier for him when I am not on the testing panel. Best wishes for whatever path you choose. Just asking the question shows your involvement and concern for your son. In the Spirit, Mark Lasich www.karatequips.com --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2008 12:45:18 -0800 (PST) From: Jye nigma To: Jyesluv@hotmail.com Subject: [The_Dojang] Are you ready to fight a trained opponent? Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I found this question on another group and found it interesting: "basically asking the question are u prepared to fight an opp who is trained? Most people expect to be facing an untrained opp; would u be shocked to face someone w/legitimate skills? Secondly have u ever fought someone w/legitimate skills or had a confrontation w/someone w/legitimate skills" --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. --__--__-- Message: 7 To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Are you ready to fight a trained opponent? Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2008 16:20:59 -0500 From: daomyer@aol.com Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Yes, and yes. You almost always get hurt in a real fight. If they know how to fight back its just that much more pain for you regardless of winning. I think thats why as you get older and wiser and your skills get better you improve your abilites to not have that match. Dave O. -----Original Message----- From: Jye nigma To: Jyesluv@hotmail.com Sent: Wed, 13 Feb 2008 3:45 pm Subject: [The_Dojang] Are you ready to fight a trained opponent? I found this question on another group and found it interesting: "basically asking the question are u prepared to fight an opp who is trained? Most people expect to be facing an untrained opp; would u be shocked to face someone w/legitimate skills? Secondly have u ever fought someone w/legitimate skills or had a confrontation w/someone w/legitimate skills" --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 2,300 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2008: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://the-dojang.net ________________________________________________________________________ More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://webmail.aol.com --__--__-- Message: 8 From: "Christian Briggs" To: Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Are you ready to fight a trained opponent? Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2008 13:24:45 -0800 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I ask myself this question all of the time. One thought on this subject...I find myself not really needing to assert myself, or prove myself physically out side of the dojang. I wonder what percentage of other trained people are out there bullying, attacking or what ever? Sometimes when I look at a Master, or someone who is gifted in the martial arts...I think to myself "kinda of a dorky looking dude...and he can totally kick a$$" Brings to mind that old saying about judging books by covers. Just a couple of random thoughts while Im trying to get some work done. -Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jye nigma" To: Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2008 12:45 PM Subject: [The_Dojang] Are you ready to fight a trained opponent? >I found this question on another group and found it interesting: > > "basically asking the question are u prepared to fight an opp who is > trained? > Most people expect to be facing an untrained opp; would u be shocked to > face someone w/legitimate skills? > > Secondly have u ever fought someone w/legitimate skills or had a > confrontation w/someone w/legitimate skills" > > > --------------------------------- > Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. > _______________________________________________ > The_Dojang mailing list, 2,300 members > The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2008: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://the-dojang.net --__--__-- Message: 9 From: "Gordon Okerstrom" To: Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2008 15:32:47 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] Trained Opponent Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Jye Nigma wrote: "are u prepared to fight an opp who is trained?" I haven't been in a true confrontation in many, many years. Our training makes us highly aware of our surroundings and in my opinion, it's just too easy to avoid conflict. I do know a few MA instructors that like to go out on a Friday night and pick a fight. I guess it's a way to test themselves. I have little respect for them because of it. Gordon Okerstrom --__--__-- Message: 10 To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2008 17:49:03 -0500 From: aburrese@aol.com Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Fight Quest Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >>Finally got to view the Fight Quest episode on Hapkido. Great to see >>Master Kim's Seoul dojang again. I was only there a few times, but it >>looks like things haven't changed too much. And to finally see Master >>Bae. We emailed a few times back when the KHF was having serious probems >>with the "chubby grandmaster wannabe from down Florida way". >> >>Over all a good episode. And great to see John in the credits. >> >>Ray Terry I finally got to watch the show that I recorded as well. I echo Ray's thoughts that it was nice to see training in Korea again, been too long since I've been there. It was also good to see Master Bae. I also e-mailed him and talked on the phone with him a few times during that trouble. For a short show, it was nice to see them show a variety of things. The editing was off when they showed the one guy throwing a kick with his right and then an injury to his left foot. Oops... I would have liked to have seen a bit better sparring at the end, but it is difficult when most HKD schools don't spar or compete like BBJ or MMA, so it is hard to compare them when using various rules, etc. Overall, fun to watch and makes me want to get back to Korea soon. If things go right, it might be sooner than later, I'm just hoping I can work a trip in my schedule this year. Hapki, Alain www.burrese.com ________________________________________________________________________ More new features than ever. 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