Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 02:48:22 +0100 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 15 #46 - 5 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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Copyright 1994-2008: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Korean Martial Arts. 2,300 members. See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Today's Topics: 1. Racial slur (J F) 2. Parts of a Sword in Korean? (Brian Myers) 3. Re: Roberet Wood (blueknightpi@att.net) 4. Master Dan regarding terminology and rank (dan scholten) 5. List down or slow (Ray) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2008 17:34:31 -0800 (PST) From: J F To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Racial slur Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Michael, You and I have actually had some off-line dialog and I truly have a great amount of respect for you. I just want to throw in that I also do not agree with using the term "dirty Africans". However, one can be "religious" about football, food or even my beloved Tae Kwon Do. I try not to confuse religion with spirituality. As a Christian, I refer to spirituality. With all due respect, some posts in this forum are religious about their martial art. Cool with me. I just always like to make that distinction. My native Korean KwanJangNim is a Christian, in fact, as is his family. Some people I speak to ask me why I am so passionate about an activity rooted in Eastern mysticism, Confucianism, & Buddhism. That's what is so great about the world we live in. It's a melting pot of cultural and social diversity. What I, or someone else, chooses to believe in spiritually is a totally different matter altogether, in my very humble opinion. Uh oh,...I feel it coming on,..."we are the world, we are the children",...hahaha. Karate for Christ, I love it. Buddhists for Eli Manning, even cooler. How about humans for improving their lives and other lives by dedication to the traditional martial arts,...I'm in!!!! From a very humble TKD ChoDan, Jeff Finley South Carolina "Are you kidding me??? Karate for Christ?? Dirty africans??? Wow....now I've heard it all....I guess "if" you claim to be "religious" than anything is ok to say huh???? Pathetic.. and offensive to say the least...and when I get offended you know it's has to be bad !!" Michael Tomlinson --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2008 21:52:00 -0500 From: "Brian Myers" To: Subject: [The_Dojang] Parts of a Sword in Korean? Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Please forgive my rather simple question, but is there a Korean term for the Menuki? Can someone point me towards a source of information on the various swords used in Korean history? I am very interested in the history of Korean Martial Arts, especially the sword and its use. I have thus far been very unsuccessful in finding a good source of information on Korean Swords and Sword Arts - most source material focuses on the Japanese and the Samurai. Yours in the Martial Spirit, Brian Myers [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] --__--__-- Message: 3 From: blueknightpi@att.net To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2008 03:41:21 +0000 Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Roberet Wood Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net It is clear that the problem does not reside in Mr. Wood, but in some other separate misguided folks. I did not know who to tackle. I now know that I aimed at one of the good guys. My apologies to Robert Wood for my inferences that he was the one responsible. I just get p-ssed off when I see language like that which is code for racism. Vic Cushing --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2008 19:35:36 -0900 From: dan scholten To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Master Dan regarding terminology and rank Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net My Grand Master 9th Dan Certificate is #20 ever issued by the WTF I was told that he is the most senior 9th Dan in all of North and South American He is in the World Martial Arts Hall of fame and was inducted into the US Tae Kwon Do Grand Master's Society April 2007 in the July issue of Tae Kwon Do times magazine Page 16. He is listed as a Pioneer Grand Master, Former Head Coach for the US National Taekwondo Team and Lifetime Achievement award winner. Our basic text book in its 8th edition liss required terminology for yellow belt through 1st Dan black belt. The term Sabum Nim is used for 5th Dan and above. Cho Gyo Nim is used for 1st Dan through 4th Dan and Dae Sabum Nim is used for Grand Master 7th and above. However the official WTF position related to rank is 3rd Dan is junior master, 4th and 5th Dan is Master, 6th and 7th is Senior Master and 8th and 9th only is Grand Master. 30 years ago many terms were used such as Korean Karate as necessary for marketing to bring students in off the streets. My main focus and that of any Master should be that your student should be able to walk in to any TKD Dojang and show proper respect and know enough basic commands and etiquette to show respect for the Dojang and Master and not embarrass them selves, bowing in and out of class area, showing respect to rank at proper times, removing shoes before entering an area, knowing your Kwan and Master's names and history. Basic 1st Dan rules for running a class warm ups, free sparring and self defense. My Master was very famous for also being Olympic Gold medalist in Judo as well as many original Master's now Grand Master's have ties back to Japan in some form of education. This issue of insulting or racial slur should also be considered by the fact that any true master with original roots to the foundation of an art form has a highly developed sense of Chi Or Ki ,(depending on Korean or Chinese application) that gives them a sense of who the person is, what their education level is and more important the intent of what they are saying. They are very likely to be very gracious and forgiving to an innocent uneducated person making a mistake as to someone who claims to be superior or has a alterior motives and will be ignored or put down very quickly as needed. Kwon Jung Nim was used for either Master Instructor and or President of the Gym. Spelling and pronunciation of many terms vary due to different Master's attempting to spell things phonetically to assist Westerners in pronouncing Korean terms. I remember in the early 70's being horrified while some Gypsy's walked in off the street wanting lessons and asking Grand Master if he was a black belt and in a good natured way he grabs his belt and goes oh I guess so. As for cross training, I believe a person needs to become proficient and loyal to one style first to at lest 1st or 2nd Dan before branching off but self defense for your self and your students should be of primary concern. We are all the sum total of our Master's and I am lucky that mine was a master in Hapkido and Judo which gives us a good base of close in fight take downs and joint locks but as you get older you must find a way to transition form shear force of punching, kicking and blocking and find out the true applications of movements that require more knowledge of human physiology and reverse applications which as always in unlearning what you have learned. Great force is a wonderful thing to have but it is only for a time control and accuracy is more important. I have never met a Korean Master who teaches reverse applications hidden in the forms which are offensive as opposed to basic blocks. For some it is time to move beyond adherence to myth and legend and do what is practical but done respectfully as an added tool to what you already have and I don't feel it is meant for below a certain rank and some people should never be taught. I think any good Master will make this judgment as he goes who to pass on this knowledge to and who not. Master Dan --__--__-- Message: 5 From: Ray To: The_Dojang Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2008 16:35:03 -0800 Subject: [The_Dojang] List down or slow Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I'll be out of town for a few days starting on Thursday to attend the International Hapkido gathering in Jackson. Things should get back to normal around Tuesday. Ray Terry thedojang@sbcglobal.net --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2008: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest