Date: Wed, 05 Mar 2008 02:48:21 +0100 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 15 #56 - 5 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Today's Topics: 1. WTF Holds Committee Meetings (The_Dojang) 2. YMCA (cjbdad@ntelos.net) 3. Re: YMCA (Michael) 4. Master Dan USTF World Hanmadang the wave of the future (dan scholten) 5. Re: YMCA (gerardo lugo) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 17:58:52 -0800 From: The_Dojang To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] WTF Holds Committee Meetings Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net WTF Holds 2 Sanction Committee Meetings 03 Mar 2008 The World Taekwondo Federation held two Sanction Committee meetings in four days: the first meeting in Beijing, China on Feb. 29 and the second in Seoul on March 3. The WTF Sanction Committee, headed by Gen Ahmed Fouly of Egypt, a vice president of the WTF and president of the African Taekwondo Union, delivered the committee's final meeting results to WTF secretary General Jin Suk Yang. The WTF plans to announce the results as early as this week. The Sanction Committee was held according to the meeting results of the WTF's ad-hoc Investigation Committee held on Feb. 12 in Seoul. The Investigation Committee was also led by Gen Ahmed Fouly. The Investigation Committee was formed at the recommendation of the Joint Meeting of the WTF Continental Union Presidents and Secretaries General held in Seoul on Jan. 10, 2008 and the approval of the WTF's Executive Committee meeting held on Jan. 11, 2008. The Joint Meeting of Continental Unions called for the immediate formation of an ad-hoc Investigation Committee to conduct a thorough probe of a series of rumors and allegations levied against WTF leadership over the last several months, as well as work attitudes of WTF Secretariat staffs. --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 14:15:24 -0500 (EST) From: cjbdad@ntelos.net To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] YMCA Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I was having some conversations with a friend of mine who is thinking about teaching TKD out of the local YMCA.  I would like to hear from those of you that do that especially the pros and cons of doing so.  Did you have to keep your currrent insurance that you carried for your school or did the YMCA take care of the insurance?  Any martial arts/YMCA info. is appreciated.  Thanks. James Morgan GTKDA --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "Michael" To: Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] YMCA Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 15:16:39 -0600 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hello, I have taught out of YMCA, Boys and Girls Club and Military Youth Centers and all of them required me to have my own liability insurance. Also, I ran across several occasions when they planned events on days/times I had classes and even belt testings. We would get shifted into smaller rooms and have no notice of such arrangements. My contracts varied depending on whom I was working with. A few were 70/30 one was 80/20 and one was 50/50 split. It's a good starting place for a "new" instructor or a lower ranking instructor, but I don't recommend any places such as them for a high ranking instructor or for large memberships. Time sharing with other instructors who own their own schools isn't as easy, but they normally have better facilities, equipment and understand the martial arts sub-culture unlike untrained non-students who have control over a facility. Just my 2 cents. v/r Michael M. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2008 1:15 PM Subject: [The_Dojang] YMCA >I was having some conversations with a friend of mine who is thinking > about teaching TKD out of the local YMCA. I would like to hear from > those of you that do that especially the pros and cons of doing so. > Did you have to keep your currrent insurance that you carried for your > school or did the YMCA take care of the insurance? Any martial > arts/YMCA info. is appreciated. Thanks. > > James Morgan > GTKDA > _______________________________________________ > The_Dojang mailing list, 2,300 members > The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2008: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://the-dojang.net --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2008 13:44:17 -0900 From: dan scholten To: taekwondo-net-digest@bluewaves.org Cc: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net, info@ustaekwondofederation.com Subject: [The_Dojang] Master Dan USTF World Hanmadang the wave of the future Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net _____ As an official Ambassador for the World Hanmadang and now the USTF I would like to post again my experience at the recent International Referee Seminar in LA, observations and expectations to come. I recently attended the International Referee Seminar in LA and it was a great experience. The USTF is creating an atmosphere of excitement and fellow ship that I have complained was lacking for many years. I have always believed in the traditional martial art values of TKD being the most important part and benefit of what we have to offer to the community especially disadvantaged and at risk youth. The Olympics is a fine thing but a commercial enterprise regardless of what they paint on it. It has sickened me for years to listen to media and commentators actually write off people because they received a silver or bronze medal as if insignificant compared to first place or Gold. This mentality has led to a watering down of the original true full contact fighting in pursuit of just that one point lead which is boring is boring to watch and has fostered spoiled athletes whining in protest over ruling's and judging. This goes against the basic values of Traditional Martial Arts, that effort is its own reward and that doing your best, learning from each experience win or loose is a positive step forward to education and self respect as well as others including those in authority. This process and set of values is critical to imprinting life skills that will create future leaders and a better society from today's youth. The new direction that the USTF is leading in cooperation with the WTF and Kukkiwon to focus on these values will help today's instructors meet the needs of their students and become a vital resource to the community. At the seminar I was able to meet some very bright people with some perspectives of knowledge of whom and what was going on that I had not known before. This is the first time I have felt it worth while to come out from such a remote location at such great cost. My plane fare was close to $1,400 but well worth it and I made some critical networking with other Grand Master's to support reaching remote villages in my area for a long range TKD instruction plan that could add as many as 800 new students but more importantly could change the lives in 15 village communities and this is my opinion should be the purpose of and direction of Tae Kwon Do today. It was so exciting to feel the warmth and happy greetings from all the visiting 8th and 9th Dan grand masters who were not just officiating, or standing on the side lines but working out right along side us enthused with a gleam in their eyes. Every where you went, the lobby, the elevator, the hallways even the bathroom you were greeted, there were smiles and hand shakes. People were renewing old friendships and creating new ones. The instruction for the Hanmadang was thorough and at times complex compared to a traditional State or National tournament. The one thing that struck me was the effort to unify the Kwan's in teaching how to judge fairly but also the official Kukkiwon position on how the forms should be done. I found for the most part our NW Black Belt Association has been on track 95%. There were some very minor changes to stances which I would encourage any of you who intend to compete in July to talk to a Referee to explain the judging on PoomSe scoring so you can tailor you individual and team training to that format. My feeling is that the World Hanmadang will be a format to developing the new State and National USTF Tae Kwon Do tournaments in the years to follow. This makes good business sense. This type of tournament is more inclusive and attracts a much broader base of competitors. Our North West Regional Tae Kwon Do association has been holding a financially successful tournament for over 30 years by making it a TKD and Open all styles tournament with creative forms, breaking, weapons and team competitions. The new Hanmadang format will improve this tournament and increase revenues for our State Association. The USTF will restore recognition of the Sate organizations which the USAT destroyed. Many of these organizations were in existence for decades and were the main body to create cooperation with in the states and to pool non-profit fund raising for sate and national teams. The issue which has been beat around since the USTF was organized and brought up again at the seminar of trying to replace the USAT as the NGB is a non issue in my opinion. Tae Kwon Do today is a Commercial Free Market Enterprise and the market will determine this not politics. If 95% of the 30 million practitioners feel they are getting what they need from the USTF that is where they will invest their time and money. I feel the failure of the USTU has been a priceless lesson to all and there exists a new humility in the USTF leadership with support from the WTF and Kukkiwon that was not their before. The USTF will restore respect and pride for Age and Rank. I am hoping that in time to suggest that the USTF in future years reissue new coaching and refereeing certificates to those that hold USTU certificates for a fee. This could be a great revenue source for the new organization and help to bring back many. I would like to see these certificates developed on high quality parchment paper with engravings, calligraphy and art work making them a full head above anything being created now by preprinted in the box stuff. These would set USTF Instructors, Master's and Grand Masters apart from other organizations. I for one would have no problem paying $100 or $200 each for such Art Work worth displaying the home or Do Jang. In time I think the USTF can supply us all with the best equipment, apparel, certificates, training and events in TKD history if we will be patient and help support them in any way we can. My Grand Master is the most senior 9th Dan In North and South America, his certificate is #20 issued by the Kukkiwon and it has been hard to watch how the demise of the USTU, and the USAT has treated him and many other senior GM's. He felt unimportant, useless and disrespected. I have seen a new excitement in him since the USTF was formed and since the announcement of the World Hanmadang being given to USTF and the referee seminar I feel his spirit has been recharge. His health concerns are very serious now so he was not able attend the seminar but he going to attend the tournament in July So I will be able to see him when I attend. I want to thank the USTF and Grand Master Sang Lee for not only bringing back what was lost but for taking us in a new direction that I believe will grow TKD even more by serving the 95% of practitioners who are not Olympic Stars. In my own small way I would like to encourage any Master or owner of a club that will join the USTF and attend the World Hanmadang to feel free to visit me in Nome and I can take you and your party out for crab or fish on our 42 foot fishing trawler for free in the summers. The Dojang here fishes to feed the Elders and hungry in the summer as community service. Master Dan Nome Alaska --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 15:50:11 -0800 (PST) From: gerardo lugo Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] YMCA To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net is a good idea,but even better read the fine print!!! cjbdad@ntelos.net wrote: I was having some conversations with a friend of mine who is thinking about teaching TKD out of the local YMCA. I would like to hear from those of you that do that especially the pros and cons of doing so. Did you have to keep your currrent insurance that you carried for your school or did the YMCA take care of the insurance? Any martial arts/YMCA info. is appreciated. Thanks. James Morgan GTKDA _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 2,300 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2008: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://the-dojang.net --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2008: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest