Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 02:48:22 +0100 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 15 #72 - 8 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Today's Topics: 1. YMCA Update (Greenbrier Tae Kwon Do Academy) 2. Steve Capener's article in 2000 (Dakin Burdick) 3. form dvd resources (Mike Donahoo) 4. Re: form dvd resources (daomyer@aol.com) 5. RE: Dan on Alaska Hospitality (J R Hilland) 6. new forms (Mike Donahoo) 7. Re: new forms (Ray) 8. Re: new forms (Nathan Miller) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "Greenbrier Tae Kwon Do Academy" To: "Dojang Digest" Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 21:55:14 -0400 Subject: [The_Dojang] YMCA Update Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Greetings all. It was I who started the posts about the YMCA lately. I just wanted to personally thank each and every one of you who had a piece of advice for my "friend". It reality, the friend was me. I had to create a smokescreen and say that a friend of mine was thinking of starting classes at the local YMCA because I have some of my own students who subscribe to the DD and it was my intent to keep the matter hush-hush until the agreement with the "Y" could be finalized. It was finalized yesterday and I had my meeting with all of my students and their families last night to fill them in on the situation. So, the cat is out of the bag. I guess I find myself in an odd situation based on the comments I saw posted. I saw several posts that stated something to the effect "it's a good place for a beginning school.....". Well, I have been teaching in my current location since October 2000. Before that I taught on and off since 1987 in various places. So in essence I did the opposite of what many of you suggested. I have my reasons though. I have been in this game long enough that I should know not to do something that wasn't going to benefit my students and I in the long run. Our local YMCA is a very stable organization and constantly growing. It has a very nice gentlemen running the show for them and is actually bending over backwards to accomdodate me and my students. I have always been an opponent of long-term contracts within the martial arts and they are not going to require any of my current or future students sign anything saying they owe anything more than monthly dues, on a monthly basis. My students are not required to become YMCA members but yet have access to all exercise equipment and facilities. Even though it is highly encouraged that they do become members at some point in the future, but it is not mandatory. I can even keep my current class schedule with a minor change in start/end times. And a guarantee of NOT getting "bumped" for another activities like someone for whom I cannot remember posted. I see nothing but positives in this venture and so do my students from the feedback I got last night. The name of my school does not have to change. We are still Greenbrier Tae Kwon Do Academy and we have the opportunity to grow like never before. Again, thanks to everyone who offered suggestions and so forth. I really wanted to know what ya'll thought of the situation and I took each suggestion to heart before making my final decision. James Morgan Greenbrier Tae Kwon Do Academy Lewisburg, WV --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 07:36:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Dakin Burdick To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Steve Capener's article in 2000 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Thanks to Darwin Eisenhart for posting the 2000 essay by Steve Capener. I must respectfully disagree with Mr. Eisenhart that Steve's earlier article was "biased and slanted." In the 2000 essay, Steve states that modern taekwondo represents the flavor of traditional Korean fighting arts. I think we can largely agree with that. In doing so, Steve avoids some of what Mr. Eisenhart might say was "biased and slanted" in his earlier essay, which I might guess (given the conversations on this topic over the last twenty years) would be a reference to the Japanese influence on the development of taekwondo. For those who are not familiar with this discussion, let me just summarize it by saying that taekwondo as originally conceived was directly and deliberately based upon Japanese and Okinawan karate-do. Let me also note that Steve does not deny his earlier position, rather he is more subtle and diplomatic in this current piece. I hope readers will not assume that he has aligned himself with the Korean nationalist stance of the 1960s that one used to see so often in taekwondo histories, namely that taekwondo is the culmination of years of relatively independent Korean development of the fighting arts. To do so would greatly ignore and even denigrate the true importance of Korea in east Asian history. Korea was an intellectual center, and Koreans were perhaps the most refined Confucianists of the region. Military prowess was not greatly valued, nor need it have been. The early history of the Korea is connected with eastern Han of China, and Korea was for a long time integrally associated with China and protected by her. Korean military training manuals so often touted by taekwondo practitioners demonstrate this. It is only after the Japanese occupation that Koreans became firm believers in military preparedness, and they have been quite successful in that effort. That should not be used to eliminate the true Korean gifts to the world, which were largely in the intellectual fields, not the military. Yours in the arts, Dakin Burdick dakinburdick@yahoo.com --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 09:37:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Mike Donahoo To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] form dvd resources Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Between the WTF forms dvd set and the Kukkiwon dvd forms set, which is better? One of the sets has been produced more recent and I thought contained the 'new' changes to the way forms were being done. Has anyone seen either or have a preference? For those that aren't sure what items I am talking about, they can be seen on Dynamics web site, under the 'media' tab. Thanks www.dynamicsworld.com Mike Donahoo --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. --__--__-- Message: 4 To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] form dvd resources Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 13:24:32 -0400 From: daomyer@aol.com Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net "Between the WTF forms dvd set and the Kukkiwon dvd forms set, which is better?? One of the sets has been produced more recent and I thought contained the 'new' changes to the way forms were being done.? Has anyone seen either or have a preference?? For those that aren't sure what items I am talking about, they can be seen on Dynamics web site, under the 'media' tab.? Thanks" I have the new Kukkiwon set and find it to be an excellent resource. Its filmed very well with many angles and ways to learn the forms. I do not think the last changes are incorporated though. Mainly because I got it about a year ago and since started reading about them. This set has the classic (as classic as this generation goes) forms. I thought they added two new ones for competition. I will order the WTF series though to compare. Hopefully in the meantime someone has and can give some feedback on those. Dave O. --__--__-- Message: 5 From: "J R Hilland" To: Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 13:03:33 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: Dan on Alaska Hospitality Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net "There is a tradition In Alaska to treat visitors very well." Glad to hear there is southern hospitality in the far north. It is needed in the upper part of the lower 48... Dan, it costs that much to fly just about anywhere out of Fargo, so you are not alone. JRH www.rrhapkido.com --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 11:50:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Mike Donahoo To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] new forms Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net does anyone know if there is a reference material out that covers the two new WTF / Kukkiwon forms Hanryu and Bikak? thanks! Mike Donahoo --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. --__--__-- Message: 7 From: Ray To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] new forms Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 12:23:13 -0700 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net On Mar 19, 2008, at 11:50 AM, Mike Donahoo wrote: > does anyone know if there is a reference material out that covers > the two new WTF / Kukkiwon forms Hanryu and Bikak? Not really reference material, but you can see them at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I5cRWdG4spk And you can see what the Kukkiwon's gym floor looks like. Ray Terry thedojang@sbcglobal.net --__--__-- Message: 8 Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 13:26:09 -0600 From: "Nathan Miller" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] new forms Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net There's YouTube video of forms by those names: http://youtube.com/watch?v=I5cRWdG4spk&feature=related Official or not, couldn't say. Guys performing have Kukkiwon on their dobok tops, though. On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 12:50 PM, Mike Donahoo wrote: > does anyone know if there is a reference material out that covers the two new WTF / Kukkiwon forms Hanryu and Bikak? thanks! > Mike Donahoo --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2008: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest