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See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Today's Topics: 1. Re: Gun Control Witness (WTSDA Bruce) 2. Korean martial arts history (Don Kirsch) 3. Re: Master Dan Free exchange of ideas (Ray Terry) 4. Master Dan Free exchange of ideas (Dennis McHenry) 5. Re: 23 years and is qualified in 9 different martial arts; oh really... (Jeremy Anderson) 6. RE: Master Dan Free exchange of ideas (michael tomlinson) 7. Gun Control Witness (Donald) 8. RE: Korean martial arts history (michael tomlinson) 9. Torch relay (The_Dojang) 10. dan certificates (J R Hilland) 11. Free exchange of ideas (J R Hilland) 12. Going Around Your Master (tkdtiger@aol.com) 13. Re: Going Around Your Master (Ray Terry) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "WTSDA Bruce" To: Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Gun Control Witness Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 20:44:13 -0500 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Don't forget the smoooooth trigger finger. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ray" To: Sent: Monday, March 24, 2008 9:17 AM Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Gun Control Witness >> Gun Control Witness >> >> Do You Think They'll Call Her Back To Testify Again???? >> >> And She Says It ALL In Her Final Statement . . >> > > The best gun control? A steady hand... > > Ray Terry > thedojang@sbcglobal.net > _______________________________________________ > The_Dojang mailing list, 2,300 members > The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2008: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://the-dojang.net --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "Don Kirsch" To: "the_dojang" Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 21:36:07 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Korean martial arts history Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I can't say what's the actual history other than to repeat what I've read and been taught. While traveling in Korea a few years ago with Dr. Kimm he lectured one day on the origins of Jujitsu in Japan coming from Korean Hwarang warriors. I'm sure that point of view will not sit well with the Japanese. All I can say is Dr. Kimm is a walking encyclopedia when it comes to martial arts and Asian history, world history for that matter. Regards, Don Kirsch --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 20:10:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Ray Terry Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Master Dan Free exchange of ideas To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Master Dan, Thanks for the nice comments. Don't worry too much about our "friend" in Hawaii. He's been saying that for ten years... and has been wrong all that time. Sad, truly sad. Ray --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 22:56:32 -0500 From: "Dennis McHenry" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Master Dan Free exchange of ideas Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 15:56:49 -0800 From: dan scholten <<...I have been told not to post on the DD which is only for low rank whiners who have nothing but negative ambitions for the new national TKD federation. Then I was kicked off the other list for requesting additional reasoning for why or how this would be helpful.>> Ahhh... sounds like our friend Glenn at TKDnet. I've been kicked off several times myself. There are a lot of proud X-TKDneters here. Mac (another low rank whiner) --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 06:44:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeremy Anderson Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] 23 years and is qualified in 9 different martial arts; oh really... To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net "Oh really?" (quoted from subject line) Depends on what is meant by both "qualified" and "martial arts styles." --- The_Dojang wrote: > Kolar has been practicing martial arts for 23 years and is qualified > in 9 different martial arts styles.... ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping --__--__-- Message: 6 From: michael tomlinson To: Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Master Dan Free exchange of ideas Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 13:59:30 +0000 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I've also been kicked off of that site....dictator Glen told me I could be on his site but I couldn't post on this site or I would be kicked off of TKD net because he didn't like Ray Terry.....I basically told him I was a grown man and I quit playing favorites at the playground around 4th grade...and he could #*&^$$^*@$@^$& Well you know me so I bet some of you could fill in the blanks...personally I have met Ray Terry and he is a squared away dude that is humble and knowledgable and no one can change that opinion I have of him..I have NEVER met Glenn and that is probably a good thing for both of us,..I love being a DD whiner.... Michael Tomlinson> Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 22:56:32 -0500> From: dpmchenry@gmail.com> To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net> Subject: [The_Dojang] Master Dan Free exchange of ideas> > Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 15:56:49 -0800> From: dan scholten > <<...I have been told not to post on the DD which is only for low rank> whiners who have nothing but negative ambitions for the new national TKD> federation. Then I was kicked off the other list for requesting additional> reasoning for why or how this would be helpful.>>> > Ahhh... sounds like our friend Glenn at TKDnet. I've been kicked off> several times myself. There are a lot of proud X-TKDneters here.> > Mac (another low rank whiner)> _______________________________________________> The_Dojang mailing list, 2,300 members> The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net> Copyright 1994-2008: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource> Standard disclaimers apply > Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://the-dojang.net _________________________________________________________________ Test your Star IQ http://club.live.com/red_carpet_reveal.aspx?icid=redcarpet_HMTAGMAR --__--__-- Message: 7 From: "Donald" To: "dojang_digest" Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 10:29:38 -0400 Subject: [The_Dojang] Gun Control Witness Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net My humble apologies to the entire list. I punched the wrong button... this was NOT supposed to go the list. We have enough to discuss without getting into politics! Again, please forgive my bad. pil seung, Don Ross --__--__-- Message: 8 From: michael tomlinson To: Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Korean martial arts history Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 14:04:52 +0000 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I too have heard this history from several different sources and I tend to believe it...the Hwarang were actually around for centuries before the samurai culture was developed and as with Buddhism...Japan recieved Buddhism as a gift from Korean envoy's that were ambassadors of sorts to Japan....the logical chain was China, Korea, Japan....makes sense to me....Michael Tomlinson> From: donkirsch@msn.com> To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net> Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 21:36:07 -0500> Subject: [The_Dojang] Korean martial arts history> > I can't say what's the actual history other than to repeat what I've read and> been taught. While traveling in Korea a few years ago with Dr. Kimm he> lectured one day on the origins of Jujitsu in Japan coming from Korean Hwarang> warriors. I'm sure that point of view will not sit well with the Japanese.> All I can say is Dr. Kimm is a walking encyclopedia when it comes to martial> arts and Asian history, world history for that matter.> Regards, Don Kirsch> _______________________________________________> The_Dojang mailing list, 2,300 members> The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net> Copyright 1994-2008: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource> Standard disclaimers apply > Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://the-dojang.net _________________________________________________________________ In a rush? Get real-time answers with Windows Live Messenger. http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Refresh_ realtime_042008 --__--__-- Message: 9 Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 08:42:44 -0700 From: The_Dojang To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Torch relay Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Congratulations 25 Mar 2008 Congratulations Ref. No. 08/144 March 17, 2008 To: Mr. Christos Manolis President of Hellenique Taekwondo Federation (+30 210 682 0116) CC: Mr. Athanasios Pragalos President of European Taekwondo Union (+30 210 760 1705) Re: Congratulations I learned from the news that Mr. Alexandros Nikolaidis, Greek Taekwondo Silver Medalist from Athens 2004, will be the very first torch relay runner for the 2008 Beijing Olympic Games. I give my hearty congratulations and excitement on behalf of the World Taekwondo Federation. I am proud that a Taekwondo athlete will initiate the very act of bringing the Olympic flame along with its spirit from Olympia across the continents to Beijing. I extend my best wishes to Mr. Nikolaidis and to the noble act. Yours Sincerely, Chungwon Choue President --__--__-- Message: 10 From: "J R Hilland" To: Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 11:42:12 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] dan certificates Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net <<>> Doug, I am a bit lost here. This communication problem you have with your instructor is odd. Don't you see your instructor in class at the dojang? Jere R. Hilland www.rrhapkido.com --__--__-- Message: 11 From: "J R Hilland" To: Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 11:42:52 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Free exchange of ideas Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Dan The same thing happened to many of us a decade ago. No one knows why some folks on a island have control issues. I am sure a psychiatrist could easily explain it if we cared. :) Jere R. Hilland www.rrhapkido.com --__--__-- Message: 12 To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 12:54:26 -0400 From: tkdtiger@aol.com Subject: [The_Dojang] Going Around Your Master Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net There is also an attempt to ask low rank black belts to go around their traditional Master or Grand Master to test directly with the national sports authority. It will be interesting to see how these pan out but I am glad me and my students have some thing better to do. I keep hearing this, but I don't know anyone who is asking a student to bypass their master. Name names. Who is encouraging anyone to go around their instructor? Exactly who? I know where this rumor started but it is not true. AAU and USAT both have programs which allow people without instructors of high enough rank to test and promote them using standards developed by the organization doing the test. Otherwise, anyone with an instructor would have said instructor apply for their kkw, usat or aau dan certificate for them after testing them in the school. While it is possible that someone who is unhappy with their instructor who has held them back for testing for whatever reason might try to circumvent said master, or they might find it is cheaper in some cases to go through another organization, but who would do that knowing that the master instructor would not allow this person to wear that rank no recognize it and would surely expel that student from the school? You would have to be ready to leave that school before you would even consider that option. I don't know of many who would even consider it an option. That would be a problem between student and instructor and not the national organization luring away naive students to test with them. Come on, who is going to test with a bunch of strange masters when they have a support system in their own school? All the AAU, which has had this program for years and you never heard a word as certain folks pretend AAU does not exist, and USAT are doing are providing people who are at a loss as they have left their istructor, moved or that instructor doesn't have a valid rank to promote to demonstrate their skill level and request to test. This statement that "There is also an attempt to ask low rank black belts to go around their traditional Master or Grand Master to test directly with the national sports authority." just is not true. In that I know the source of this statement, I will point out that with USAT Dan Program, you can get either a USAT Dan and or a KKW - one or both depending on what you desire. You obtain same by: 1. Lateraling your current KKW or other certificate. 2. Having your promotion signed off by a current USAT Dan Certificate holder of 4th dan or higher. 3. Last resort, testing at a national event with the USAT testing board which gives a hard test, and having that board recommend you for promotion, as long as you are otherwise eligible for promotion and you pass the test. This doesn't sound like anyone is trying to go around their instructor. --__--__-- Message: 13 Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 13:44:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Ray Terry Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Going Around Your Master To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net ----- Original Message ---- From: "tkdtiger@aol.com" I keep hearing this, but I don't know anyone who is asking a student to bypass their master. Name names. Who is encouraging anyone to go around their instructor? Exactly who? I know where this rumor started but it is not true. AAU and USAT both have programs which allow people without instructors of high enough rank to test and promote them using standards developed by the organization doing the test. ----------------------------- Quite frankly I haven't heard any real evidence of this either. My only Kukki-USTF concern is regarding the use of the USTF name. Good legal council should have caught that before it was ever an issue as I suspect the ITF-USTF may take action on that matter. Other than that, more power to 'em. One can't belong to too many MA orgs... :) Ray --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2008: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest