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Copyright 1994-2008: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Korean Martial Arts. 2,300 members. See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Today's Topics: 1. Re: TKD Net ME TOO (ISA Headquarters) 2. Who is Glenn (freddie bishop) 3. Elemental Breathing (Chris & Cindy Callahan) 4. Taegu, Korea (Ken McDonough) 5. Hapkido in WI (Frank Clay) 6. Fire Breathing...Maysayer??? (firstpe315@aol.com) 7. Re: Fire Breathing...Maysayer??? (daomyer@aol.com) 8. Re: Elemental Breathing (Jye nigma) 9. Throwing Techniques for Street Fighting Seminar + Video Clip (Jye nigma) 10. RE: Throwing Techniques for Street Fighting Seminar + Video Clip (michael tomlinson) 11. RE: Fire Breathing...Maysayer??? (michael tomlinson) 12. RE: Elemental Breathing (michael tomlinson) 13. back home (Ray) 14. RE: Throwing Techniques for Street Fighting Seminar + Video Clip (Jye nigma) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "ISA Headquarters" To: Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 09:06:35 -0400 Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: TKD Net ME TOO Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Me too! Respectfully, George I. Petrotta ISA International Director www.sungjado.org/ isahdq@sc.rr.com info@sungjado.org 1-843-968-8178 137 Timberlake Dr. Florence, SC 29501 USA --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 07:47:06 -0700 (PDT) From: freddie bishop To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Who is Glenn Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Who is Glenn? Can anyone give a general example of someone who is lacking respect? I may have been taken for being disrespectful in the past because of my questions regarding "traditional" training practices. I am thankful that I have not been removed from the dojang digest list because of it. Respectfully Fred ____________________________________________________________________________________ Like movies? Here's a limited-time offer: Blockbuster Total Access for one month at no cost. http://tc.deals.yahoo.com/tc/blockbuster/text4.com --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 10:25:05 -0400 From: Chris & Cindy Callahan To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Elemental Breathing Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I was always taught there are five elements: metal, earth, wood, fire and water (I realize some cultures substitute wind). So my question is...is there a fifth breathing technique for the fifth element? Which I am guessing would be metal. Forgive me if I'm over analyzing this. -Chris --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2008 07:22:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Ken McDonough To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Taegu, Korea Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net List members--please advise on who are the teachers and schools in Taegu, Korea. I know there are few outstanding instructors with world-wide reputation. Thanks, Ken McDee --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. --__--__-- Message: 5 From: "Frank Clay" To: Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 08:05:04 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Hapkido in WI Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Before I fell and tore two ligaments in my wrist (gotta love the icy winter) I was looking for Hapkido to get back in shape. So far all I've found is the TKD school that claims to teach Hapkido which is usually more along the lines of hoshinsul. Make sure you really investigate that. I've seen a couple of decent schools that did both but they are more the exception than the norm. You'd do better to find a straight up Hapkido school if you can find one. Good Luck. Now in Manhattan you have a lot more choices. When I was there last, and he may have since retired. Sun Duk Son was teaching TKD. That is old school TKD he is doing. I don't know if that interests you or not but he is one of last from that era. He was the second president of the Chung Do Kwan (Ray - it was second or was it third?) ~f. --__--__-- Message: 6 To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 12:58:11 -0400 From: firstpe315@aol.com Subject: [The_Dojang] Fire Breathing...Maysayer??? Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Mr. Tomlinson: This is a very interesting subject.? Being a long-time practitioner of TanJun Breathing and being somewhat aware of the phsyical and physiological effects that it is meant to help with (and some "intangible" ones which I hope to experience some day), this topic is one that interests me. I have used breathing and visualization for decades to produce certain effects that I want which have served me well too. However, I found it interesting that you mentioned, in essence, not being able to control yourself (without warnings, preparation etc.) even if your a "mellow dude"...I'm paraphrasing and I'm sure I haven't caputure it exactly but I think I got the gist of it. My question is that I don't think that it is very warrior-like to not be able to control your emotions, in fact I think that in a crisis situation, not being able to "think" when you are in a rage is tantamount to the "beginning of the end" so to speak.? I think channeling rage and anger and using it properly under control takes great skill and practice and is a warrior trait we should seek to master.? My experience with people who I am sure are not using the "fire breathing" method but nonethless suffer from anger management or attitude probelms, is that they are easily manipulated, often react rashly and are ineffective fighters and I certainly would not put them into the category of warrior as I think that they are missing the higher levels of what that word implies, which is more personal mastery. I don't see the point of such an exercise if you can't control it, and if you can, what is wrong with teaching it...how do you ascertain whether someboyd is ready to learn it and can control it if a student of so many years couldn't do it. Ah, so many questions. Please elaborate...this is very interesting to me. Respectfully, Jeff --__--__-- Message: 7 To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Fire Breathing...Maysayer??? Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2008 08:08:56 -0400 From: daomyer@aol.com Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Jeff, even the most enlightened Martial Artist screams Sh@# when they drop the hammer on their foot. We are still human. It would be nice to be able to summon a vision of the blue pearl at that very moment and yet its easier to stoke the fires we know will burn. -----Original Message----- From: firstpe315@aol.com To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Sent: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 11:58 am Subject: [The_Dojang] Fire Breathing...Maysayer??? --__--__-- Message: 8 Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2008 04:10:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Jye nigma Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Elemental Breathing To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net They way I was taught the 5th element was void, and for that there is indeed a breathing exercise. Jye Chris & Cindy Callahan wrote: I was always taught there are five elements: metal, earth, wood, fire and water (I realize some cultures substitute wind). So my question is...is there a fifth breathing technique for the fifth element? Which I am guessing would be metal. Forgive me if I'm over analyzing this. -Chris _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 2,300 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2008: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://the-dojang.net --------------------------------- You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. --__--__-- Message: 9 Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2008 04:11:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Jye nigma To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Throwing Techniques for Street Fighting Seminar + Video Clip Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Modern Farang Mu Sul: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zUHCqlzm3gs Recent Activity 4 New Members 15 New Links Visit Your Group Y! Sports for TV Game Day Companion Live fantasy league & game stats on TV. Yahoo! Search Try a shortcut Get local weather faster. Moderator Central Yahoo! Groups Join and receive produce updates. . __,_._,___ To: Puerto Rico MA Group , prko@yahoogroups.com, prfma@yahoogroups.com From: DAVID RODRIGUEZ Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 07:06:13 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [martialartspr] Throwing Techniques for Street Fighting Seminar Throwing Techniques for Street Fighting Seminar with Master Dennis Vega ( President of Puerto Rico Modern Farang Mu Sul® ) Sunday, May 25, 2008 Hour: 9:00am Location: Vega's Martial Arts Institute Calle Jose Olmo # 323 Arecibo, Puerto Rico Info: Master Dennis Vega 7873470485 / denrama@yahoo.com El costo del mismo son $30.00 el cual incluye almuerzo buffet. Bien importante, NO Gi favor de asistir en T Shirt y pantalones largo de ejercicio y tenis. Es un seminario dirigido a tecnicas para defensa callejera. Se entregaran certificado acreditados por la federacion de Modern Farang Mu Sul a todos aquellos que asistan al mismo. http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=22249720113 --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. --------------------------------- You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. --__--__-- Message: 10 From: michael tomlinson To: Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Throwing Techniques for Street Fighting Seminar + Video Clip Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2008 17:01:26 +0000 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net We do everyone of those throws in our Hapkido classes....farang is basically rehashed Hapkido...and that is not stated as an insult or bashing....everything in that video looks like hapkido except for the shiney doboks and the patty cake patty cake bakers man punching before some of the techniques....... also if you want to see a funny video one of my old high school students did for a class project go to youtube and type in acmt force it's hillarious and has some goofy scenes of me.... Michael Tomlinson > Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2008 04:11:55 -0700 > From: kingjye@yahoo.com > To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > Subject: [The_Dojang] Throwing Techniques for Street Fighting Seminar + Video Clip > > Modern Farang Mu Sul: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zUHCqlzm3gs > > > > > > Recent Activity > > 4 > New Members > > 15 > New Links > > Visit Your Group > Y! Sports for TV > Game Day Companion > Live fantasy league > & game stats on TV. > > Yahoo! Search > Try a shortcut > Get local weather > faster. > > Moderator Central > Yahoo! Groups > Join and receive > produce updates. > > > > . > > > __,_._,___ To: Puerto Rico MA Group , > prko@yahoogroups.com, prfma@yahoogroups.com > From: DAVID RODRIGUEZ > Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 07:06:13 -0700 (PDT) > Subject: [martialartspr] Throwing Techniques for Street Fighting Seminar > > Throwing Techniques for Street Fighting Seminar > with Master Dennis Vega ( President of Puerto Rico Modern Farang Mu Sul® ) > > Sunday, May 25, 2008 > > Hour: 9:00am > > Location: Vega's Martial Arts Institute > > Calle Jose Olmo # 323 > Arecibo, Puerto Rico > > Info: Master Dennis Vega > 7873470485 / denrama@yahoo.com > > El costo del mismo son $30.00 el cual incluye > almuerzo buffet. > > Bien importante, NO Gi favor de asistir en T Shirt y pantalones largo de ejercicio y tenis. Es un seminario dirigido a tecnicas para defensa callejera. > > Se entregaran certificado acreditados por la federacion de Modern Farang Mu Sul a todos aquellos que asistan al mismo. > > http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=22249720113 > > > --------------------------------- > Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. > > > > > --------------------------------- > You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. > _______________________________________________ > The_Dojang mailing list, 2,300 members > The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2008: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://the-dojang.net _________________________________________________________________ More immediate than e-mail? Get instant access with Windows Live Messenger. http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Refresh_ instantaccess_042008 --__--__-- Message: 11 From: michael tomlinson To: Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Fire Breathing...Maysayer??? Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2008 16:46:24 +0000 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hey, all good points...it's not that you can't control the fire breathing it's just that it is very effective in boosting your aggression...where it comes in handy?? For instance...say you need to enter a building and you know that there are people in the building that want to kill you,, your logical mind might tell you not to do this...but you have to enter the building,,, period,,, yes proper training will help you and is the most important factor, but to get over that initial logical mental hurdle you could use a quick series of fire breathing to bump your aggression up to the point of not only entering the building but entering the building with the proper mind set you need to not only survive but to be a very physical and nasty person....after I learned fire breathing I recognized back when I played college football that a lot of players did a pseudo version of it before they started the game...it's kind of natural to humans when you KNOW you are about to enter into a violent or life threatening situation....a lot of people will read this a say it is better to be calm during those initial situations....BUT...the trick is being just calm enough to function well but aggressive enough to plow through whatever is in your way without hesitation or guilt....it's kind of like adding nitrogen to your car engine to get that quick boost of acceleration... I don't teach fire breathing because like I said it makes people aggressive really fast..and that is not something I want to give to people,, I'd rather give people humor, comraderie, honor, and empathy....I would never teach something like this over the internet...and I've only taught it to my family and close students... Michael Tomlinson > To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 12:58:11 -0400 > From: firstpe315@aol.com > Subject: [The_Dojang] Fire Breathing...Maysayer??? > > Mr. Tomlinson: > > This is a very interesting subject.? Being a long-time practitioner of TanJun Breathing and being somewhat aware of the phsyical and physiological effects that it is meant to help with (and some "intangible" ones which I hope to experience some day), this topic is one that interests me. > > I have used breathing and visualization for decades to produce certain effects that I want which have served me well too. > > However, I found it interesting that you mentioned, in essence, not being able to control yourself (without warnings, preparation etc.) even if your a "mellow dude"...I'm paraphrasing and I'm sure I haven't caputure it exactly but I think I got the gist of it. > > My question is that I don't think that it is very warrior-like to not be able to control your emotions, in fact I think that in a crisis situation, not being able to "think" when you are in a rage is tantamount to the "beginning of the end" so to speak.? I think channeling rage and anger and using it properly under control takes great skill and practice and is a warrior trait we should seek to master.? My experience with people who I am sure are not using the "fire breathing" method but nonethless suffer from anger management or attitude probelms, is that they are easily manipulated, often react rashly and are ineffective fighters and I certainly would not put them into the category of warrior as I think that they are missing the higher levels of what that word implies, which is more personal mastery. > > I don't see the point of such an exercise if you can't control it, and if you can, what is wrong with teaching it...how do you ascertain whether someboyd is ready to learn it and can control it if a student of so many years couldn't do it. > > Ah, so many questions. > > Please elaborate...this is very interesting to me. > > > Respectfully, > > > Jeff > _______________________________________________ > The_Dojang mailing list, 2,300 members > The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2008: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://the-dojang.net _________________________________________________________________ Pack up or back up–use SkyDrive to transfer files or keep extra copies. Learn how. hthttp://www.windowslive.com/skydrive/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Refresh _skydrive_packup_042008 --__--__-- Message: 12 From: michael tomlinson To: Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Elemental Breathing Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2008 16:27:19 +0000 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net not from what I was taught....that doesn't mean it doesn't exist in other venues....we practice: earth, water, fire, wind, and the last one is "void"...which is more akin to zen training.... Michael Tomlinson > Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 10:25:05 -0400 > From: fate1@peoplepc.com > To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > Subject: [The_Dojang] Elemental Breathing > > I was always taught there are five elements: metal, earth, wood, fire > and water (I realize some cultures substitute wind). So my question > is...is there a fifth breathing technique for the fifth element? Which > I am guessing would be metal. Forgive me if I'm over analyzing this. > > > > -Chris > _______________________________________________ > The_Dojang mailing list, 2,300 members > The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2008: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://the-dojang.net _________________________________________________________________ Pack up or back up–use SkyDrive to transfer files or keep extra copies. Learn how. hthttp://www.windowslive.com/skydrive/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Refresh _skydrive_packup_042008 --__--__-- Message: 13 From: Ray To: The_Dojang Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2008 10:31:32 -0700 Subject: [The_Dojang] back home Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I'm back home after teaching in Illinois. The list should be back up and running. If you note that a post you sent in is missing, please resend. Thanks. Ray Terry thedojang@sbcglobal.net --__--__-- Message: 14 Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2008 11:39:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Jye nigma Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Throwing Techniques for Street Fighting Seminar + Video Clip To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I've noticed that in KMA either an art looks like karate or hapkido mixed with something else. When I see hwarang-do, ksw, etc it all looks like hapkido to me give or take a few things. Jye michael tomlinson wrote: We do everyone of those throws in our Hapkido classes....farang is basically rehashed Hapkido...and that is not stated as an insult or bashing....everything in that video looks like hapkido except for the shiney doboks and the patty cake patty cake bakers man punching before some of the techniques....... also if you want to see a funny video one of my old high school students did for a class project go to youtube and type in acmt force it's hillarious and has some goofy scenes of me.... Michael Tomlinson > Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2008 04:11:55 -0700 > From: kingjye@yahoo.com > To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > Subject: [The_Dojang] Throwing Techniques for Street Fighting Seminar + Video Clip > > Modern Farang Mu Sul: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zUHCqlzm3gs > > > > > > Recent Activity > > 4 > New Members > > 15 > New Links > > Visit Your Group > Y! Sports for TV > Game Day Companion > Live fantasy league > & game stats on TV. > > Yahoo! Search > Try a shortcut > Get local weather > faster. > > Moderator Central > Yahoo! Groups > Join and receive > produce updates. > > > > . > > > __,_._,___ To: Puerto Rico MA Group , > prko@yahoogroups.com, prfma@yahoogroups.com > From: DAVID RODRIGUEZ > Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 07:06:13 -0700 (PDT) > Subject: [martialartspr] Throwing Techniques for Street Fighting Seminar > > Throwing Techniques for Street Fighting Seminar > with Master Dennis Vega ( President of Puerto Rico Modern Farang Mu Sul® ) > > Sunday, May 25, 2008 > > Hour: 9:00am > > Location: Vega's Martial Arts Institute > > Calle Jose Olmo # 323 > Arecibo, Puerto Rico > > Info: Master Dennis Vega > 7873470485 / denrama@yahoo.com > > El costo del mismo son $30.00 el cual incluye > almuerzo buffet. > > Bien importante, NO Gi favor de asistir en T Shirt y pantalones largo de ejercicio y tenis. Es un seminario dirigido a tecnicas para defensa callejera. > > Se entregaran certificado acreditados por la federacion de Modern Farang Mu Sul a todos aquellos que asistan al mismo. > > http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=22249720113 > > > --------------------------------- > Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. > > > > > --------------------------------- > You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. > _______________________________________________ > The_Dojang mailing list, 2,300 members > The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2008: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://the-dojang.net _________________________________________________________________ More immediate than e-mail? 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