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Gyeongju permanently opens culture expo park (The_Dojang) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: michael tomlinson To: Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Throwing Techniques for Street Fighting Seminar + Video Clip Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2008 19:50:59 +0000 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Jye, Big time and the main reason is that the people who created KSW and HWD are old Hapkido black belts from BEFORE they created or ascended to their current martial art.....when a zebra lives in Montana, ridden by a cowboy and it is covered with black and white stripes it's still a zebra no matter what the cowboy says.......Michael Tomlinson> Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2008 11:39:03 -0700> From: kingjye@yahoo.com> Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Throwing Techniques for Street Fighting Seminar + Video Clip> To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net> > I've noticed that in KMA either an art looks like karate or hapkido mixed with something else. When I see hwarang-do, ksw, etc it all looks like hapkido to me give or take a few things. > > Jye> michael tomlinson wrote:> We do everyone of those throws in our Hapkido classes....farang is basically> rehashed Hapkido...and that is not stated as an insult or> bashing....everything in that video looks like hapkido except for the shiney> doboks and the patty cake patty cake bakers man punching before some of the> techniques.......> > also if you want to see a funny video one of my old high school students did> for a class project go to youtube and type in acmt force it's hillarious> and has some goofy scenes of me....> > Michael Tomlinson> > > Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2008 04:11:55 -0700> > From: kingjye@yahoo.com> > To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net> > Subject: [The_Dojang] Throwing Techniques for Street Fighting Seminar +> Video Clip> >> > Modern Farang Mu Sul:> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zUHCqlzm3gs> >> >> >> >> >> > Recent Activity> >> > 4> > New Members> >> > 15> > New Links> >> > Visit Your Group> > Y! 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That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost.> _______________________________________________> The_Dojang mailing list, 2,300 members> The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net> Copyright 1994-2008: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource> Standard disclaimers apply > Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://the-dojang.net _________________________________________________________________ Use video conversation to talk face-to-face with Windows Live Messenger. --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "J R Hilland" To: Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2008 16:36:34 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: Video Clip Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I am with Michael on that one. Not 'street fighting' per say. Just good old hapkido. But that again, that is Michael De Alba's group. Hapkido turned hwarangdo (Lee Joo Bang & Lee Joo Sang), turned farang musul. Michael De Alba is (was) on the DD. <<>> <<>> <<>> They are hapkido. KSW, HWD all were hapkido at one point in time. I just wish some of the 'other' stuff that is called hapkido would use a different name as there is a lot that isn't hapkido (I am talking of course, about the watered down stuff, hapkido is a complete and rather complicated art after all). Jere R. Hilland, USKMAF www.HapkidoSelfDefense.com PS. Found this on the web. http://www.allmartialarts.com/KIXCO/History/history/map.htm It is full of errors, but a start. Dr. Dakin Burdick's family tree of hapkido is much better (re: DD archives). --__--__-- Message: 3 From: Ray To: The_Dojang Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2008 14:53:32 -0700 Subject: [The_Dojang] Hwarang Kwan Hapkido Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net On the topic of Hwarang Do and its progeny, those that have been subscribed to the list for a while will recall Carsten from Europe. He was a Hwarang Do person that always claimed that Hwarang Do was very different from Hapkido. We went back and forth for a few years on that, and then Dr. Joo Bang Lee came out with about 25,000 videos on Hwarang Do (well, maybe just 25 or 35)... It was said that if someone would just take the time to go thru these videos they would see the clear difference between Hwarang Do and Hapkido. I wasn't really interested in purchasing the entire set, so I asked for a pointer to three or four that would show a difference. The videos were purchased and reviewed. While Dr. Joo Bang Lee is indeed a long time and gifted Hapkido instructor, the Hwarang Do he teaches is essentially Hapkido. I saw no difference in those videos that would lead me or anyone to the conclusion that HRD is not HKD. True, each Hapkido Kwan was a bit different, but it was still essentially Hapkido that they taught. As the subject indicates, HwaRang Do was and is HwaRang Kwan Hapkido. The name of the art was later changed (and trademarked in the US) from HwaRang Kwan Hapkido to HwaRang Do. Ray Terry thedojang@sbcglobal.net --__--__-- Message: 4 From: Ray To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Who is Glenn Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2008 14:56:15 -0700 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net A person of no significant consequence, but one of the very very few over the last 15 years that had to be removed from the list due to a continuously demonstrated lack of respect for the others on the list. Ray Terry thedojang@sbcglobal.net --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2008 16:26:14 -0700 From: The_Dojang To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] burned in a fire Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Those of you that know Master Perry Lyons, please send him your best. He was apparently burned in a house fire last week while rescuing family members. I understand that he is doing ok, but a wish to him for a very quick and complete recovery is in order. Ray Terry --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2008 16:38:05 -0700 From: The_Dojang To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Gyeongju permanently opens culture expo park Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Gyeongju permanently opens culture expo park Date: April 01, 2008 Korea.net Gyeongju, the capital city of Korea's Silla Dynasty (57 B.C.- A.D. 935), opens its world culture expo park to the public throughout the year from April with a revived spirit of the ancient kingdom. The Gyeongju World Culture Expo Organizing Committee will open the Gyeongju World Culture Expo Park, located at Bomun Complex in the city, all year round from April 1 with lots of cultural materials to attract visitors from all over the world. Having held five expos over the last ten years since 1998, Gyeongju has placed itself as a well-known international culture expo venue, while recording a total of 8.5 million during the past expos by revitalizing the spirit of the Silla Dynasty, its architecture and traditional customs. Backed by the advanced cultural expo infrastructure and know-how from the previous expos, the Gyeongju World Culture Expo Park will put on various cultural programs for visitors on the themes of "culture," "experience" and "rest." The cultural programs of the expo park will include a "Three-dimensional Animation World" that will show four animations based on tales and relics of the Silla Dynasty, including "Mud Warrior Chacha," at CT Experience Hall, "Seonmudo Experience Program" and temple stay at Golgulsa (temple), "Moonlight Laser Show" at Gyeongju Tower, "Fairy Tale Fantasy World," seasonal programs, including a flower festival, and fossil exhibition at the World Fossil Museum, Asia's largest fossil museum with 3,000 prehistoric remains discovered in various parts of the world. Previously shown at last year's expo, "Mud Warrior Chacha" is based on Korea's National Treasure No. 91, a vessel in the shape of a warrior on horseback. "Seonmudo" is a traditional martial art practiced by Silla's Hwarang warrior class. Built in 2007 along with the Silla Wanggyeong Forest and the Expo Cultural Center, Gyeongju Tower is a modern 17-story glass and aluminum building with a cut away center in the shape of Hwangryongsa Temple's famed nine-story wooden pagoda, which was destroyed in 1238 during the Mongol invasion. The 82-meter pagoda includes an observatory and sky lounge. Backed by high technology through advanced facilities and various programs, the Gyeongju Expo organizing committee successfully hosted last year's event in November, making the event a kind of culture Olympics spotlighted by international media. >From Nov. 2006 to Jan. 2007, the city also held a joint cultural expo with Cambodia's Angkor Wat to mark the tenth anniversary of diplomatic relations between Korea and Cambodia. International media, including BBC and CNN visited the event, as well as thousands of tourists. To celebrate the permanent opening of the expo park, the expo organizing committee is to hold an official opening ceremony at Jujak Square, meaning "phoenix square" in Korean, in front of the Gyeongju Tower with more than 1,000 participants in attendance. The entrance fee to the park costs 3,000 won for children and 5,000 won for adults. The admission fee to the World Fossil Museum costs 2,500 won. More information is available at tel. 02-1330 or 051-1330 (English spoken). By Yoon Sojung Korea.net Staff writer --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2008: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest