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Copyright 1994-2008: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Korean Martial Arts. 2,300 members. See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Today's Topics: 1. Using your art (Jye nigma) 2. Re: Weight chain (Beungood8@aol.com) 3. Re: (Beungood8@aol.com) 4. Re: CoraL Snake (Beungood8@aol.com) 5. RE: Re: Weight chain (Thomas Gordon) 6. Re: Re: (Jye nigma) 7. RE: Re: Weight chain (jeff) 8. RE: Re: CoraL Snake (michael tomlinson) 9. Re: Re: Weight chain (Jye nigma) 10. Manriki Gusari Girl? (Gordon Okerstrom) 11. Re: Re: CoraL Snake (Jye nigma) 12. RE: Re: Weight chain (Jye nigma) 13. TOI GYE TUL (Gordon Okerstrom) 14. Re: Re: Weight chain (daomyer@aol.com) 15. TOI GYE TUL (Gordon Okerstrom) 16. Re: TOI GYE TUL (Taekwondo America) 17. growth of martial arts (The_Dojang) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 17:03:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Jye nigma To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net, itf-taekwondo@yahoogroups.com Subject: [The_Dojang] Using your art Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net So I have been taking time to convert the Taekwon-do Encyclopedia into a PDF document (for easier searching and stuff), and I noticed a plethora of techniques and hand weapons. It made me wonder, why when TKD people spar they don't really use those tools? Now, let me clarify, I know some aren't appropriate for sparring like spearhand to the eyes and throat...lol. but what about something like the Long Fist (Ghin Joomuk) or Bear Hand (Gomson)??? Basically using the art so it doesn't look like kickboxing. I was just thinking that with the exception of the Blacktaoist's group and some shaolin kung fu guys I used to deal with up north, most arts practitioners spar like kickboxers. What do you guys think? Jye --------------------------------- You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. --__--__-- Message: 2 From: Beungood8@aol.com Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 22:14:46 EDT To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Weight chain Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net In a message dated 4/8/2008 7:45:45 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net writes: yes she is an associate of mine. She studies kempo, ninjutsu and stuff like that. She's also a personal trainer. One thing I notice is that with the weight chain you can afford to let one end go and re capture it around an opponent's limb, can't always do that with a belt. Just something a little different I thought I'd share with the group. How long has she trained. Looks like a lot of training and time invested in hardwork, but she looks really young. I wonder how that chain works against Kali Bastons. **************Planning your summer road trip? Check out AOL Travel Guides. (http://travel.aol.com/travel-guide/united-states?ncid=aoltrv00030000000016) --__--__-- Message: 3 From: Beungood8@aol.com Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 22:12:06 EDT To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net In a message dated 4/8/2008 7:45:45 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net writes: That lady doing the demo is smooth and good......Jacko you better stay away from this woman...she looks like she could hog tie you in a second and then turn you into her own leprecahn toy.....although from what Mike M. and Hal W. have told me this might be right up your alley!!!!!!! LOL Would that be a bad thing? She is amazing, I watched several of her videos and looked through her website Id would be a pleasure to receive an A__ kicking from her. And for chrissakes don't listen to them, it's all mythology big guy ;-) . **************Planning your summer road trip? Check out AOL Travel Guides. (http://travel.aol.com/travel-guide/united-states?ncid=aoltrv00030000000016) --__--__-- Message: 4 From: Beungood8@aol.com Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 22:41:20 EDT To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: CoraL Snake Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net In a message dated 4/8/2008 7:45:45 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net writes: once while joggin in my neigborhood here in Florida I killed a coral snake with a weighted chain.....now now before you tree huggers get mad at me it was by my front porch and my daughter was very young then....it was the biggest coral snake I have ever seen!! little fangs ,but ,venom that is as toxic if not more than a Cobra..... **************Planning your summer road trip? Check out AOL Travel Guides. (http://travel.aol.com/travel-guide/united-states?ncid=aoltrv00030000000016) --__--__-- Message: 5 From: "Thomas Gordon" To: Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Re: Weight chain Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 22:26:45 -0500 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Gotta chuckle out of this thread that Mr. Jye sent in. May wanna do a little reading on bullshido about this young lady. Fair warning, not for the faint of heart and the language/topics on bullshido certainly aren't always fit for Sunday lunch with the pastor... http://www.bullshido.net/forums/showthread.php?t=59108 Sincerely, Thomas Gordon Master's Seminars on April 18-20, 2008 www.gordonmartialarts.com/new/2008-0420 --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 22:49:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Jye nigma Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Re: To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Well seems like you might like her fitness page: http://www.christaj.com/ Jye ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- would that be a bad thing? She is amazing, I watched several of her videos and looked through her website Id would be a pleasure to receive an A__ kicking from her. And for chrissakes don't listen to them, it's all mythology big guy ;-) . --------------------------------- You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. --__--__-- Message: 7 From: "jeff" To: Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Re: Weight chain Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 23:45:26 -0400 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I gotta say that reading that bullshido was very entertaining to say the least! Second, I thought that "she" was a little slow, especially in some of the transitions. /topics on bullshido certainly aren't always fit for Sunday lunch with the pastor... http://www.bullshido.net/forums/showthread.php?t=59108 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.9/1365 - Release Date: 4/8/2008 7:30 AM --__--__-- Message: 8 From: michael tomlinson To: Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Re: CoraL Snake Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2008 11:44:00 +0000 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net You know it...coral snakes look so mellow BUT you don't want them around...they lay under the dead palmetto debri around your property and every now and then when you're raking or clearing stuff out...you run across one of them.... speaking of martial arts mindset....my cousin lives out in rural Lake County here in Central Florida on a beautiful chunk of land that is totally surrounded like a big horseshoe with lakes....the only entrance to his property is through his driveway..totally surrounded by water..BUT he has a big snake problem being where he lives...once he was on the toilet in his master bathroom taking a dump while his wife is in the bedroom changing sheets on the water bed.....his wife yells at him that there is a rattlesnake in the bed.....my cousin told me he was sitting on the toilet thinking "oh crap I can't let this thing get loose in the house" so he jumps up off the toilet and rips the towel rack off the wall, runs into the bedroom and beats the rattlesnake to death on the waterbed mattress!!! He said it was about 3 and a half foot long!!! How crazy is that??? Now that is improvising, and taking care of the problem!! Michael Tomlinson> From: Beungood8@aol.com> Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 22:41:20 -0400> To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net> Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: CoraL Snake> > In a message dated 4/8/2008 7:45:45 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net writes:> > once while joggin in my neigborhood here in Florida I killed a coral snake> with a weighted chain.....now now before you tree huggers get mad at me it > was> by my front porch and my daughter was very young then....it was the biggest> coral snake I have ever seen!!> > > > > > little fangs ,but ,venom that is as toxic if not more than a Cobra..... > > > > **************Planning your summer road trip? Check out AOL Travel Guides. > (http://travel.aol.com/travel-guide/united-states?ncid=aoltrv00030000000016)> _______________________________________________> The_Dojang mailing list, 2,300 members> The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net> Copyright 1994-2008: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource> Standard disclaimers apply > Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://the-dojang.net _________________________________________________________________ Pack up or back up–use SkyDrive to transfer files or keep extra copies. Learn how. hthttp://www.windowslive.com/skydrive/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Refresh _skydrive_packup_042008 --__--__-- Message: 9 Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 22:44:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Jye nigma Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Re: Weight chain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I don't know the exact time, she has time spent in each art on her site: http://cjj2004.tripod.com/budoryu/anshu_christa_jacobson_id70.html. The weighted chain's functions remind me of grappling work with a belt/rope but also of the chain whip from kung fu. I think in the hands of the right person it'll be a good match to watch against a Kali guy. Jye Beungood8@aol.com wrote: How long has she trained. Looks like a lot of training and time invested in hardwork, but she looks really young. I wonder how that chain works against Kali Bastons. --------------------------------- You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. --__--__-- Message: 10 From: "Gordon Okerstrom" To: Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2008 08:16:59 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Manriki Gusari Girl? Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Thomas Gordon posted: Oh, my. I didn't need to look at that. Yeesh! Gordon Okerstrom --__--__-- Message: 11 Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 22:39:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Jye nigma Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Re: CoraL Snake To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net *Hello PETA....hi....* Jye- lol once while joggin in my neigborhood here in Florida I killed a coral snake with a weighted chain.....now now before you tree huggers get mad at me it was by my front porch and my daughter was very young then....it was the biggest coral snake I have ever seen!! --------------------------------- You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. --__--__-- Message: 12 Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 22:34:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Jye nigma Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Re: Weight chain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Yeah a couple of years ago when I first started chit chatting with her, she told me people have been bashing her and even getting personal saying she was a man. I have to be honest, I thought something sure looked strang, but didn't think about it until she said something. I had only seen her site and pics on her site until a few days ago when I got an email stating that she had her budo ryu videos online. When I watched them, I just have this feeling that she may be a he because of the way s/he moves. (Women and men move differently) But all in all that's none of my business. I can say that I did like a couple techniques on the video clips. What I'd like to see though are reactions to unrehearsed moves- sparring. Jye Thomas Gordon wrote: Gotta chuckle out of this thread that Mr. Jye sent in. May wanna do a little reading on bullshido about this young lady. Fair warning, not for the faint of heart and the language/topics on bullshido certainly aren't always fit for Sunday lunch with the pastor... http://www.bullshido.net/forums/showthread.php?t=59108 Sincerely, Thomas Gordon Master's Seminars on April 18-20, 2008 www.gordonmartialarts.com/new/2008-0420 _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 2,300 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2008: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://the-dojang.net --------------------------------- You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. --__--__-- Message: 13 From: "Gordon Okerstrom" To: Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2008 10:17:56 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] TOI GYE TUL Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I've seen Toi Gye done in a few different ways. Moves 13 thru 18 have been done as a horse stance stomp, an instep inside the back of the knee pivot, an inner crescent kick to a horse stance and a slide to horse stance. The arm movements have been combination inside and outside blocks, a large wedge block, two opposing back fists or just a ridged wall of arms swinging into position. Does anyone have the definitive answer on how this is to be done? Gordon Okerstrom --__--__-- Message: 14 To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Re: Weight chain Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2008 11:20:40 -0400 From: daomyer@aol.com Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net View full size it's a man, baby! Thomas Gordon wrote: Gotta chuckle out of this thread that Mr. Jye sent in. May wanna do a little reading on bullshido about this young lady. Fair warning, not for the faint of heart and the language/topics on bullshido certainly aren't always fit for Sunday lunch with the pastor... --__--__-- Message: 15 From: "Gordon Okerstrom" To: Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2008 10:35:24 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] TOI GYE TUL Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Also, is this the same move as movement 11, 14, 21 and 24 in the WTF Keumgang Poomse? Gordon Okerstrom --__--__-- Message: 16 Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2008 10:43:29 -0500 From: Taekwondo America To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] TOI GYE TUL Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Dear Mr. Okerstrom, I don't know how definitive this is, but I'll add a scenario to your list: In our school we do a series of ax kicks landing in horse stances with moon blocks, which are basically twin inner forearm blocks. Cheryl Rogers Denton Taekwondo Academy Gordon Okerstrom wrote: > I've seen Toi Gye done in a few different ways. Moves 13 thru 18 have been > done as a horse stance stomp, an instep inside the back of the knee pivot, > an inner crescent kick to a horse stance and a slide to horse stance. The > arm movements have been combination inside and outside blocks, a large wedge > block, two opposing back fists or just a ridged wall of arms swinging into > position. Does anyone have the definitive answer on how this is to be done? > > Gordon Okerstrom > _______________________________________________ > The_Dojang mailing list, 2,300 members > The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2008: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://the-dojang.net --__--__-- Message: 17 Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2008 11:06:11 -0700 From: The_Dojang To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] growth of martial arts Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net UI = University of Illinois @ Urbana-Champaign IMPE = IntraMural Physical Education Building Combat room = a room in IMPE with a mat and hardwood sections I just find it interesting to see the growth in martial arts in the US over the last 35 years. I was in grad school at UI in 1973. At that time if you wanted to 'do' martial arts you had only two choices; Shotokan or Tang Soo Do. And there were only a handful or two or three of participants in either of those. Now look at what the students get to choose from... ======================================================== UI martial arts clubs fight for space in cramped gym By Erica Yuenger Daily Illini Since IMPE began its first phase of renovation in March 2006, avid exercisers and recreational clubs have been forced to make some changes. The project is expected to be complete this June, but until then, students will have to make do with the East Wing facilities or travel to CRCE, and clubs who used to call IMPE their home will have to continue to practice wherever space can be found. Martial arts clubs on campus are among those most affected by the IMPE renovation. With the beginning of construction came the end of the IMPE combat room, a space many martial arts clubs had used to practice. Now, these clubs, such as Illini Tae Kwon Do, Tae Kwon Do at UIUC, Goshin Jitsu, Illini Judo, Illini Jujitsu and Kuk Sool Won, all must share the same practice space at Kenney Gym Annex, 1402 W. Springfield Ave. At each practice, there is a combination of at least two of these clubs in the same space. On Monday and Wednesday evenings, four of these clubs practice at the same time, each confined to one corner of the gym. The clubs are members of the Martial Arts Advisory Council at the University, an organization that acts as a collective bargaining group for the martial arts clubs. Mike Aref, a member of the council, said it serves as a liaison between the martial arts groups and the Division of Campus Recreation, and helps facilitate the administrative business, including scheduling and setting up special events. Craig Stinson, an associate director at the Division of Campus Recreation, said the creation of the council has been helpful in increasing communication between the martial arts clubs and the division, especially during the renovation of IMPE. "It has been a very positive thing for both groups," Stinson said. "It brought us closer, and we can work more efficiently than we had before." Despite the increased communication between the martial arts clubs and the Division of Campus Recreation, there are still restrictions on where the martial arts clubs can practice while IMPE is under construction. Azim Khan, senior in LAS and president of Tae Kwon Do at UIUC, said his club was moved to a facility on the South Farms following the closing of the combat room at IMPE. Brittany Combs, senior in Business and president of the Goshin Jitsu club, said her club was also moved to this facility, a printing warehouse where the club had to put down its own wrestling mats. Both clubs were later moved to the Kenney Gym Annex. Here, Combs said, the club has to move its own mats in and out of storage before and after each practice. Khan said he preferred practicing at the South Farms to practicing at Kenney Gym Annex because at the farms they could practice one group at a time. "We have to keep our sound level down and compete with the other instructors talking," Khan said. Illini Tae Kwon Do Vice President Ryan Koehn, sophomore in AHS, said having to keep the sound levels down negatively affects his club's belt tests at the HMD Academy in Savoy. "Being loud is part of our testing," Koehn said, "People sometimes forget this because we have to keep our voices down during practice," Another concern of the members of the clubs is the lack of first aid materials provided in the facility. "We have one first aid kit," said Illini Tae Kwon Do instructor Paul Guder. "It is in my car." The martial arts clubs hope to be moved back to the combat room at IMPE when construction is completed. Until then, the overall sentiment is that their current location is better than nothing. "I am happy as long as we have got a space to train," Aref said. --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2008: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest