Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2008 18:22:00 +0200 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 15 #106 - 8 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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Copyright 1994-2008: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Korean Martial Arts. 2,300 members. See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Today's Topics: 1. Re: Re: Full Contact Sparring (Jye nigma) 2. Re: Re: Full Contact Sparring (Ray) 3. Re: Re: Full Contact Sparring (Ray) 4. RE: Re: Full Contact Sparring (michael tomlinson) 5. Kong Soo Do (Robert Wood) 6. Re: Kong Soo Do (Ray) 7. WTF Appreciation for the applicants (The_Dojang) 8. Taekwondo Peace Corps (The_Dojang) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 10:39:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Jye nigma Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Re: Full Contact Sparring To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Not every martial artist can go full contact, because not every martial artist is training for that. If you look at most martial arts from ancient times they were military arts or arts for bodyguards, etc. So keeping that in mind, you have to be ready for combat which means your body had to be conditioned for that as well. Ask yourself how many people in classes you've been in or seen still do body conditioning not to be confused with exercises like crunches, pushups, etc. How many have you seen toughening their fingertips, hands, arms, torso, legs etc in body toughening ways? personally, I don't see any where I've been with the exception of some kung fu schools. So that is the first step in full contact.... Condition the body to withstand impact to minimize injury, then condition the weapons of the body to develop heavy impact. Now me personally, I practice body conditioning and the way I became able to take full contact blows was through exercising to strengthen the muscles, breathing exercises and getting hit. exercises strengthen the muscle, breathing properly when hit releases pressure and getting hit just fortifies the strengthening. I think we have to remember what most of these arts we love are for and where they came from and why they were needed so we don't lose focus. Alot of places nowadays focus on pleasing the students so much that the art is watered down to piss water. I think Korea's history should be a constant reminder of what happens when you don't properly prepare for conflict even in time of peace. In my opinion we should train in EVERYTHING the system offers including but not limited to body conditioning to be as ready as possible for a combat situation. Personally, i think martial arts schools should be like Harvard; not for everyone, and not everyone will be accepted, and when you come out of there you're able to do what you say you can do. Jye ruboo52 wrote: I have been in the Martial arts for almost 30 years now. I would just like to know what full contact is considered to be? --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. --__--__-- Message: 2 From: Ray To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Re: Full Contact Sparring Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 14:21:37 -0700 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I think Capener's article does a good job of explaining how full contact sparring came to be in the KMAs. It also lays out how one is able to dismiss the "one punch, one kill" philosophy of some Karate styles. http://usa-taekwondo.us/HistoryofTaekwondo.pdf I haven't yet read his updated version, but I will later today since it is now on my mind. I hope all that is still in there. Ray Terry thedojang@sbcglobal.net On Apr 18, 2008, at 8:23 AM, ruboo52 wrote: > I have been in the Martial arts for almost 30 years now. I would > just like to > know what full contact is considered to be? --__--__-- Message: 3 From: Ray To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Re: Full Contact Sparring Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 14:35:04 -0700 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net P.S. Also go to my friend's site, dogbrothers.com, for some interesting full contact footage. Ray Terry thedojang@sbcglobal.net --__--__-- Message: 4 From: michael tomlinson To: Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Re: Full Contact Sparring Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2008 03:36:19 +0000 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Very nice..... Michael Tomlinson > Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 10:39:30 -0700 > From: kingjye@yahoo.com > Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Re: Full Contact Sparring > To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > > Not every martial artist can go full contact, because not every martial artist is training for that. If you look at most martial arts from ancient times they were military arts or arts for bodyguards, etc. So keeping that in mind, you have to be ready for combat which means your body had to be conditioned for that as well. Ask yourself how many people in classes you've been in or seen still do body conditioning not to be confused with exercises like crunches, pushups, etc. How many have you seen toughening their fingertips, hands, arms, torso, legs etc in body toughening ways? personally, I don't see any where I've been with the exception of some kung fu schools. So that is the first step in full contact.... > Condition the body to withstand impact to minimize injury, then condition the weapons of the body to develop heavy impact. > > Now me personally, I practice body conditioning and the way I became able to take full contact blows was through exercising to strengthen the muscles, breathing exercises and getting hit. exercises strengthen the muscle, breathing properly when hit releases pressure and getting hit just fortifies the strengthening. > > I think we have to remember what most of these arts we love are for and where they came from and why they were needed so we don't lose focus. Alot of places nowadays focus on pleasing the students so much that the art is watered down to piss water. I think Korea's history should be a constant reminder of what happens when you don't properly prepare for conflict even in time of peace. In my opinion we should train in EVERYTHING the system offers including but not limited to body conditioning to be as ready as possible for a combat situation. > > Personally, i think martial arts schools should be like Harvard; not for everyone, and not everyone will be accepted, and when you come out of there you're able to do what you say you can do. > > Jye > > ruboo52 wrote: > I have been in the Martial arts for almost 30 years now. I would just like to > know what full contact is considered to be? > > --------------------------------- > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. > _______________________________________________ > The_Dojang mailing list, 2,300 members > The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2008: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://the-dojang.net _________________________________________________________________ Use video conversation to talk face-to-face with Windows Live Messenger. http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/connect_your_way.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_ Refresh_messenger_video_042008 --__--__-- Message: 5 From: Robert Wood To: Dojang Digest Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 22:06:34 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Kong Soo Do Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Ray, The point I was making is that sparring in a GAME and not the defining characteristic of a martial art. I spoke with my Grandmaster about the period after the occupation and he has relayed to me that it was a time of change, confusion, and sometimes opportunism. I asked him about the roots of our martial art and showed him the below entry I found at Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. He indicated it was an accurate accounting. Kong Soo Do (공수도) is a Korean martial art. Its name is composed of the Korean pronunciation of the Chinese characters for "karate-do". In English it means "empty-hand way". Two of the original five Kwans used the Kong So Do name. They were "Chosun Yun Moo Kwan Kong Soo Do Bu" which later changed its name to "Jidokwan", and the YMCA Kwon Bop Bu, which later changed its name to Chang Moo Kwan. Jidokwan's founder Chun Sang Sup learned Okinawan Karate from Gichin Funakoshi. Kwon Bop Bu/Chang Moo Kwan - founded in 1947 by Byung In Yoon who had studied Chinese kung fu (chu'an-fa, or 'fist law') in Manchuria and Japanese versions of Chinese martial arts Shudokan karate with Kanken Tōyama in Japan. Yoon disappeared during the Korean War, but information about him was later recovered by original Chang Moo Kwan student, Kim Pyung-soo in 2005, when he found Yoon Byun-in's family. Yoon's teachings were carried on by his top students Nam Suk Lee(Chang Moo Kwan),Park Chul-hee and Hong Jong-Pyo (both Kang Duk Won). in His service, Rob Wood Knowing is not enough, you must apply...Willing is not enough, you must do. -- Bruce LeeI am careful not confuse excellence with perfection. Excellence I can reach for; perfection is God's business -- Michael J. Fox _________________________________________________________________ Pack up or back up–use SkyDrive to transfer files or keep extra copies. Learn how. http://www.windowslive.com/skydrive/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Refresh_skydrive_packup_042008 --__--__-- Message: 6 From: Ray To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Kong Soo Do Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 21:13:03 -0700 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Wikipedia must have "borrowed" it from here http://martialartsresource.com/anonftp/pub/the_dojang/digests/history.html or elsewhere on the web. We first made it available on the web prior to wikipedia's creation. As Capener's article points out sparring -is- the defining aspect of sport Taekwondo, which is the Taekwondo of Korea. The martial art of Taekwondo primarily exists outside of Korea. Not necessarily to my liking, but a fact. Ray Terry thedojang@sbcglobal.net On Apr 18, 2008, at 8:06 PM, Robert Wood wrote: > The point I was making is that sparring in a GAME and not the > defining characteristic of a martial art. I spoke with my > Grandmaster about the period after the occupation and he has relayed > to me that it was a time of change, confusion, and sometimes > opportunism. I asked him about the roots of our martial art and > showed him the below entry I found at Wikipedia, the free > encyclopedia. He indicated it was an accurate accounting. --__--__-- Message: 7 Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2008 08:13:34 -0700 From: The_Dojang To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] WTF Appreciation for the applicants Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Appreciation for the applicants 18 Apr 2008 We highly appreciate every applicant for the WTF demonstration team. There will be an interview at Kyunghee University in Suwon on April 26, 2008. Please be on time. Also, any foreign taekwondo athletes above Kukkiwon 3 Dan could work with the demonstration team as a coordinator whenever the team is dispatched each countries. Whoever interested working as a WTF demonstration team coordinator in your nation, please submit your resume with recommendation letter from president of your national association (NGB). Thank you. --__--__-- Message: 8 Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2008 08:14:55 -0700 From: The_Dojang To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Taekwondo Peace Corps Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net WTF to Launch 'Taekwondo Peace Corps' Project in July 2008 19 Apr 2008 The World Taekwondo Federation will launch its ambitious "Taekwondo Peace Corps" project in July 2008. "As the first action program of the WTF's Taekwondo Peace Corps project, scores of Taekwondo Peace Corps members will be dispatched abroad as early as in July this year," said WTF Secretary General Jin Suk Yang. Yang made the remarks at the explanatory session on the Taekwondo Peace Corps project held at the conference room of GCS International in Seoul, Korea on April 11, 2008. "Through the Taekwondo Peace Corps program, the WTF can ultimately contribute to the promotion of peace in the world," he said. The Taekwondo Peace Corps project is promoted by the WTF and organized by GCS International, a United Nations-recognized non-governmental organization with a special consultative status with the U.N. Economic and Social Council. GCS stands for goodwill, cooperation and service. WTF President Chungwon Choue heads the two international organizations. To select the Taekwondo Peace Corps members, the WTF and GCS International started receiving applications from Korean youngsters aged between 20 and 35 on April 16. The deadline of the application form submission is May 9. "After consultations with the WTF's 188 member nations, we plan to send the first 12 teams, one team consists of four people, abroad this July for one month," said GCS International Secretary General Jae-suk Bae at the explanatory session. "Of the four, three will be those with at least 3rd Kukkiwon Dan certificate holders." After a weeklong education, Bae said the Taekwondo Peace Corps members will be mostly sent to taekwondo-developing countries in Africa, South America and Southeast Asia. Shortly after becoming president of the WTF in June 2004, WTF President Choue promised to launch the Taekwondo Peace Corps project, thus helping enhance the image of taekwondo and the WTF in the international sports community. The WTF aims to expand the program to involve all Olympic sports into a "Sport Peace Corps" program in cooperation with the United Nations and the IOC. The Peace Corps idea was first raised by WTF President Choue at an international workshop on sports and peace in Leuven, Belgium on Sept. 21, 2007. Dr. Choue then proposed the creation of the Sport Peace Corps at an international forum on peace and sport in Monte Carlo, Monaco, on Dec. 6, 2007. --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2008: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest