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Copyright 1994-2008: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Korean Martial Arts. 2,400 members. See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Today's Topics: 1. NWMAA (Dana Vaillancourt) 2. Book Reviews for Acta Koreana (Ray) 3. Re: NWMAA (David Springs) 4. MTV Promotion (Robert Martin) 5. Lil Dragons (Gordon Okerstrom) 6. MTV Promotion (Gordon Okerstrom) 7. Re: Lil Dragons (kdiwa@optonline.net) 8. Re: Lil Dragons (Victor.E.Dodge@jci.com) 9. TKD here to stay (Ray) 10. Re: Lil Dragons (Victor.E.Dodge@jci.com) 11. Re: Lil Dragons (Taekwondo America) 12. Re: MTV Promotion (Jye nigma) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: Dana Vaillancourt To: Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2008 00:04:44 +0000 Subject: [The_Dojang] NWMAA Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hi. I recently heard someone reference a Tang Soo Do instructor by the last name of "Stanton" with an organization acronym of "NWMAA." Does anyone know this person or this association and have a telephone number, website address or contact information? Just curious. Thanks. Dana _________________________________________________________________ Need to know now? Get instant answers with Windows Live Messenger. http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/connect_your_way.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_ Refresh_messenger_062008 --__--__-- Message: 2 From: Ray To: The_Dojang Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 18:22:49 -0700 Subject: [The_Dojang] Book Reviews for Acta Koreana Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Begin forwarded message: Dear Colleagues, Please find below a list of books available for review for Acta Koreana. If you would be interested in reviewing one of these books, please contact me at acta@kmu.ac.kr. In your e-mail please include a brief summary of your current academic status, affiliation and research field. Best regards, Michael Finch List of Review Copies: Don Baker. Korean Spirituality. University of Hawai'i Press, 2008. Michael J. Pettid. Korean Cuisine-An Illustrated History. Reaktion Books Ltd, 2008. Keith Howard, Chaesuk Lee and Nicholas Casswell. Korean KayagÅ­m Sanjo: A Traditional Instrumental Genre. Ashgate Publishing Limited, 2008. Ch'oe Yun. There a Petal Silently Falls. Translated by Bruce and Ju- Chan Fulton. New York: Columbia UP, 2008. --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 22:02:30 -0500 From: "David Springs" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] NWMAA Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I found a pdf file here: http://www.nblskil.com/pdffiles/SKITA%201999.pdf that lists a NorthWest Martial Arts Association, along with a name and number. David On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 7:04 PM, Dana Vaillancourt wrote: > Hi. I recently heard someone reference a Tang Soo Do instructor by the last > name of "Stanton" with an organization acronym of "NWMAA." Does anyone know > this person or this association and have a telephone number, website address > or contact information? Just curious. Thanks. Dana > _________________________________________________________________ > Need to know now? Get instant answers with Windows Live Messenger. > http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/connect_your_way.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_ > Refresh_messenger_062008 > _______________________________________________ > The_Dojang mailing list, 2,400 members > The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2008: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://the-dojang.net --__--__-- Message: 4 From: "Robert Martin" To: Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 22:36:51 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] MTV Promotion Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Very well put, Jye. If one wants change than one should work towards change. Me, I don't much care what MTV airs. I haven't watched it in years. My children gave up on it a long time ago also. (Heck, my daughter would rather listen to that hip hop stuff -- kids! Oh, wait, now I sound like my father! "Damn Hippy music!" Wait, he sounds like his father! And so on and so on.) Robert Martin -- __--__-- Message: 4 Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 14:56:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Jye nigma Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] MTV Promotion To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reading this thread made me think of Dr Martin Luther King Jr. I'm sure when he shared his idea(s) to bring down the walls of segregation and inequality someone said "man leave those white people alone, no good can come out of being integrated with them". Now I wonder what life would be like if Dr. King would have listened to those who thought leaving something that's not good [in this case segregation] alone.   The point is, closed mouths don't get fed. If you want change to occur in MTV don't silently boycott them, get a petition going for them to change programming BUT also realize that something positive like the MA episode of made can be used as an example of quality television. For instance, let's say you start a petition and are invited to speak with whoever controls programming. In this interview if you say I don't like what you all are showing, etc. Naturally a response from them could be, "well, what would you prefer we show?" Then you could say well there was one episode of made....   Just my 2 cents.....now can I borrow a dime? lol   Jye -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 1009 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len --__--__-- Message: 5 From: "Gordon Okerstrom" To: Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2008 09:02:10 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Lil Dragons Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Greetings, I'm running into some difficulty finding diverse role models to bring in for my Lil Dragons classes. We've brought in; firemen, policemen, soldiers, a super hero (Spiderman), a celebrity (the mayor), clowns and other martial artists. I have a few little guys that have been with me for a couple of years and the same old song and dance is wearing thin. Any ideas? Gordon Okerstrom --__--__-- Message: 6 From: "Gordon Okerstrom" To: Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2008 08:49:59 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] MTV Promotion Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Jye posted Indeed, action is required. A petition is a small thing compared to advertising dollars but, you're right. It's a start. We all know the only thing needed for evil to triumph, is that good men do nothing. True, true. Indeed, Doctor King made a nation face its double standard toward the black man. He said: "I have a dream that one day this nation will rise up and live out the true meaning of its creed: "We hold these truths to be self-evident: that all men are created equal." thereby pointing out the injustice. The equivalent to this thread would be something like this: "I have a dream! That our young would have good role models, heroes and leaders to look up to! That television would be offered not because of the money it can generate but because of the content of its character." My point being: Doctor King stated the problem, pointed at the problem and acted to fix the problem. He did not join the white oppressors of his time and hope to be noticed. He looked his oppressor square in the face and said: this is not right. Gordon Okerstrom --__--__-- Message: 7 To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Lil Dragons From: kdiwa@optonline.net Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2008 15:19:46 +0000 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Why not ask each childs parents to come in for a speech about what they do for a living. Though police, fire jobs are interesting, you may find that the parents jobs may also interest the kids, could get the kids thinking about becoming doctors, lawyers, business people etc. I have found that the real heroes are the everyday man and woman who sacrifice for their families and that is a good lesson for kids to learn, that many of them have great role models right at home. Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -----Original Message----- From: Gordon Okerstrom Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2008 09:02:10 To:the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Lil Dragons Greetings, I'm running into some difficulty finding diverse role models to bring in for my Lil Dragons classes. We've brought in; firemen, policemen, soldiers, a super hero (Spiderman), a celebrity (the mayor), clowns and other martial artists. I have a few little guys that have been with me for a couple of years and the same old song and dance is wearing thin. Any ideas? Gordon Okerstrom _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 2,400 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2008: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://the-dojang.net --__--__-- Message: 8 Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Lil Dragons To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net From: Victor.E.Dodge@jci.com Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2008 10:15:37 -0500 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Goodmorning Mr. Okerstrom, How about some local school leaders? HS or college teachers &/or students who excel in sports, academics or theater? It would be a good way to network. Maybe trade services. Just a thought. Victor Dodge "Gordon Okerstrom" To AM cc Subject Please respond to [The_Dojang] Lil Dragons the_dojang@martia lartsresource.net Greetings, I'm running into some difficulty finding diverse role models to bring in for my Lil Dragons classes. We've brought in; firemen, policemen, soldiers, a super hero (Spiderman), a celebrity (the mayor), clowns and other martial artists. I have a few little guys that have been with me for a couple of years and the same old song and dance is wearing thin. Any ideas? Gordon Okerstrom _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 2,400 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2008: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://the-dojang.net --__--__-- Message: 9 From: Ray To: The_Dojang Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2008 09:26:37 -0700 Subject: [The_Dojang] TKD here to stay Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Taekwondo here to stay, says world chief Thursday June 26 2008 By Peter Rutherford SEOUL, June 26 (Reuters) - Taekwondo could face the chop from the Olympic programme after 2012, but the martial art's world governing body has no doubt its place is secure for years to come. Choue Chungwon, president of the World Taekwondo Federation, told Reuters in an interview on Thursday that the sport was changing to appeal to a wider audience and that he was confident it would survive a review of the Olympic programme next year. Baseball and softball were removed from the programme for London 2012, reducing the number of core sports to 26, and that figure is set to fall to 25 core sports by the 2020 Games. Taekwondo is thought to be among those at risk, with baseball and softball pushing hard for reinclusion. Karate, rugby and golf are also vying to become part of the Olympic programme. "I think we are very safe," said Choue. "If taekwondo continues to do well within the Olympic programme it should remain an Olympic sport forever. "We count about 60-70 million taekwondo practioners worldwide, and in many areas of the Middle East, Africa and South America it is the second most popular sport behind soccer." Choue acknowledged some of the criticism directed at taekwondo from past Olympics -- inconsistent judging, lacklustre fights that were instant turnoffs for TV audiences, and a scoring system that baffled spectators. However, significant progress had been made in promoting transparency in judging and refereeing through seminars and conference, while efforts to make the bouts more exciting would be looked at post Beijing, said the WTF chief. Taekwondo is Korea's traditional martial art but the country has no monopoly on medals, winning only five of the 16 golds up for grabs since it debuted as an official sport in Sydney 2000. And nothing could please Choue more. "The Korean people want to win the most taekwondo gold medals in Beijing, but it should be the best athlete no matter his nationality that wins," he added. "I try to stress to the public, taekwondo is Korea's gift to the world." Choue, president of the WTF since 2004, outlined his vision as to how taekwondo and other Olympic sports could be used as a vehicle to create peace and help development in needy nations. In addition to establishing a 'Taekwondo Peace Corps' to be dispatched around the world to teach people about the martial art and provide uniforms, training and equipment, Choue had had discussions with the United Nations about a wider programme. "I spoke with (UN Secretary General) Ban Ki-moon and (IOC President) Jacques Rogge about joining together for a Sports Peace Corps," said Choue. International federations could provide finance and personnel to help give poorer nations a taste of sports they might never otherwise experience, he said. --__--__-- Message: 10 Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Lil Dragons To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net From: Victor.E.Dodge@jci.com Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2008 12:12:57 -0500 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Just had a thought,... How about a gymnastics coach to teach them some rolling and such. Again, you may be able to barter for services. Victor Dodge "Gordon Okerstrom" To AM cc Subject Please respond to [The_Dojang] Lil Dragons the_dojang@martia lartsresource.net Greetings, I'm running into some difficulty finding diverse role models to bring in for my Lil Dragons classes. We've brought in; firemen, policemen, soldiers, a super hero (Spiderman), a celebrity (the mayor), clowns and other martial artists. I have a few little guys that have been with me for a couple of years and the same old song and dance is wearing thin. Any ideas? Gordon Okerstrom _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 2,400 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2008: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://the-dojang.net --__--__-- Message: 11 Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2008 11:26:08 -0500 From: Taekwondo America To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Lil Dragons Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net How about doctor, dentist, pilot, mechanic, pizza maker, social worker, teacher, bus driver, preacher. Best, Cheryl Rogers Denton Taekwondo Academy www.dentontaekwondoacademy.com Gordon Okerstrom wrote: > Greetings, I'm running into some difficulty finding diverse role models to > bring in for my Lil Dragons classes. We've brought in; firemen, policemen, > soldiers, a super hero (Spiderman), a celebrity (the mayor), clowns and > other martial artists. I have a few little guys that have been with me for > a couple of years and the same old song and dance is wearing thin. Any > ideas? > > Gordon Okerstrom > _______________________________________________ > The_Dojang mailing list, 2,400 members > The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2008: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://the-dojang.net --__--__-- Message: 12 Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2008 09:55:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Jye nigma Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] MTV Promotion To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net True, but you can also look at it like this. The issue with blacks at the back of the bus, when they boycotted the bus, it could have lasted indefinitely, and they could have done it quietly. But they pointed out the wrong doing, and publiclly boycotted the mass transit company and guess what? it brought about change. So, sometimes winning small battles wins the major war. If it's their money you're worried about, then hit them in their pockets....advertisers. Put pressure on them to influence the kind of television you want to see. I can tell you this, the problem with tv reflects what's going on in this nation. For all my Bible believers out there, this is nothing new because the good book says these things will be happening. But with that said, even though we know this world is gonna be unbelieveably wicked before it ends, we can still make an impact. Jye --- On Thu, 6/26/08, Gordon Okerstrom wrote: Indeed, action is required. A petition is a small thing compared to advertising dollars but, you're right. It's a start. We all know the only thing needed for evil to triumph, is that good men do nothing. True, true. Indeed, Doctor King made a nation face its double standard toward the black man. He said: "I have a dream that one day this nation will rise up and live out the true meaning of its creed: "We hold these truths to be self-evident: that all men are created equal." thereby pointing out the injustice. The equivalent to this thread would be something like this: "I have a dream! That our young would have good role models, heroes and leaders to look up to! That television would be offered not because of the money it can generate but because of the content of its character." My point being: Doctor King stated the problem, pointed at the problem and acted to fix the problem. He did not join the white oppressors of his time and hope to be noticed. He looked his oppressor square in the face and said: this is not right. Gordon Okerstrom _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 2,400 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2008: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://the-dojang.net --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2008: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest