Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 02:48:21 +0200 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 15 #171 - 3 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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Copyright 1994-2008: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Korean Martial Arts. 2,400 members. See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Today's Topics: 1. Forms are Fun!!! (Ed and Mikes) 2. RE: new poomsae (Rick Clark) 3. Korean Language Teaching Post - Sheffield (Ray) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "Ed and Mikes" To: Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2008 21:04:44 -0400 Subject: [The_Dojang] Forms are Fun!!! Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I practice the Taguk forms and am now learning palguay ( I think I spelled it correctly) But the point I want to make is that these forms have practical application, and why are forms fun??? Well, you can do them by count for focus, you can do them very slow adjusting every stance and hand movement for a strength exercise, you can do them on your own with intensity of each movement as though you are fighting or breaking boards with every move. You can do them all without stoping for endurance, and close your eyes for precision, you can do them outside, in a parking lot, an un even parking lot with sneekers, with work boots, or in a field or on a beach in sand... the forms fun list is endless! and.... as a 3rd degree, and 50, I just do them once with intensity, well over 300 moves.I prefer doing each three different ways when I pratice. My body likes forms! Oh, and there is that constant drive towards perfection. Forms never grow old. Forms are FUN! sandy --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2008 22:41:09 -0400 From: "Rick Clark" Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] new poomsae To: Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hi Erik, From: Erik Brann [mailto:erikbrann@comcast.net] I think one of the key questions in this is why is the new form being created? I think you are exactly right on this point, and I would like to add what is the skill level/understanding of forms that the person has when they "create" new forms. But at the base of this point for me is - what is the purpose of forms that were created 100 or more years ago - not the modern ones. Is it for competition, to play to the strengths of the martial artist performing? In this case would your call them forms or a routine? For me forms have a specific meaning and purpose - if you create something specific for competition then I would argue there is a difference between the two. Is it an exercise for a student as part of a black belt test? (I have never heard of anyone doing this, but when I reach the rank where I feel comfortably starting my own school, I will probably do this.) I have heard of people having their students make up a form for black belt and early on I thought this might be a good idea - but as I had more experience in the martial arts and developed a different understanding of forms I discarded this idea. Is this the attempt by a teacher to blend things learned from various sources? Perhaps - or in the case of the Korean arts an attempt to distance their developing art from the Japanese and Okinawan roots and to build up a myth of the "ancient" history of Tae Kwon Do. I think forms are crucial to martial arts. Whether the forms are the Pyong Ahn/Heian, the Chang Hon, or a kung fu set, they can have as much or as little impact on a student as the teacher desires. Or as much or little impact on the students as the knowledge of their instructor has on forms. In terms of writing a form, I like to liken it to writing a story, with a beginning/middle/end. I really don't understand this point - could you expand on what you mean by this? Even for Open Forms/Musical Forms I incorporate moves and combinations, which have actual martial arts applications. But then again, That's my personal favorite part. Is this really a form or more of a acrobatic or gymnastic routine utilizing movements based on the martial arts? If a form is written to entertain, or showcase talent, as part of competition, it is more or less an athletic demonstration. I would agree with this but from my perspective on forms would rather have a different word used than "form". For me forms are very specific and serve a defined purpose. Forms were designed in an era where literacy was low, availability of books were limited, and of course there were no DVD's, movies, and the instructor had limited numbers of students. Unlike today when instructors may have taught literally thousands of students. For me forms were and are a method of transmitting the essential techniques of a particular style of martial art's defensive techniques. To me forms are the heart and soul of a martial art - it's absolutely essential that a person understand and master (or attempt to master) the forms. Rick Clark Erik -----Original Message----- From: Jye nigma [mailto:kingjye@yahoo.com] Sent: Friday, June 27, 2008 8:56 PM To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] new poomsae One thing I noticed about some made up forms is the lack of meanings in the movements. I think some people who have created forms desired to have flow like in kung fu, and what they developed was meaningless movements that are truly flowery moves. Jye --------Original Message----------------------------------------------------- HYung's ,Tuls,poomsae,or kata.What was wrong with doing the pinian forms after all didnt most korean Martial artist just copy and change these forms?I practice the chang han forms(thats what my school taught) but I am not so blind as to realize that general choi and nae ham tae just took what Won Kuk Lee taught and mixed them up and " created all new forms". _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 2,400 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2008: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://the-dojang.net _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 2,400 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2008: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://the-dojang.net --__--__-- Message: 3 From: Ray To: The_Dojang Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2008 16:04:04 -0700 Subject: [The_Dojang] Korean Language Teaching Post - Sheffield Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Begin forwarded message: THE UNIVERSITY OF SHEFFIELD (UK) SCHOOL OF EAST ASIAN STUDIES The following post is announced: University Teacher in Korean Language (Fixed-term) Interested applicants should apply directly using the University's website www.sheffield.ac.uk. Details of the post are as follows: Reference Number: R06468 Closing Date for Applications: 15/07/08 Grade: 7 Salary: £26,665 - £33,780 per annum, pro-rata. Description: As the leading member of the language team, the postholder will take responsibility for the development, organisation and teaching of modules on Korean language at all levels in the school. Duties will include preparing and supervising different modes of assessment, as well as undertaking departmental administrative duties. Applicants should possess a recognised higher degree (or equivalent) in a relevant field and a track record of relevant teaching experience, with native-speaker competence in the Korean language and native or near-native speaker competence in English. The post is available from 1 September 2008 for three years, working for ten months per annum, full- time, during the periods between 1 September and 30 June each year. Prof. James H. Grayson School of East Asian Studies University of Sheffield Sheffield S10 2TN United Kingdom Tel. +44 114 222-8418 Fax +44 114 222-8432 email: j.h.grayson@sheffield.ac.uk --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2008: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest