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See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Today's Topics: 1. Requirements For Kukkiwon Testing (Chris & Cindy Callahan) 2. RE: Requirements For Kukkiwon Testing (rick.aodenkou@verizon.net) 3. Haidong Gumdo (Ray) 4. MA Supershow (Sharon Tkach) 5. Re: Requirements For Kukkiwon Testing (Ray) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 06:56:39 -0400 From: Chris & Cindy Callahan To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Requirements For Kukkiwon Testing Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Someone please correct me if I am misinterpreting this, but it seems the requirements for Kukkiwon Dan testing are rather simple. According to their web site the following are the only categories to be tested: (1) Poomsae (Forms) (2) Kyorugi (Sparring) (3) Kyokpa (Power check) (4) Special technique Does anyone have any idea what is considered to be "Special technique"? Also, it appears there are very few forms required. For example, according to their web site, the following are the forms required for 1st Dan: Taegeuk 1 - 7?(1 appointed) and Taegeuk 8. So, this sounds like the person testing is only required to perform 2 forms...Taegeuk 8 and any one of Taegeuks 1 thru 7. To summarize, it seems the person testing only has to do: (1) 2 Forms (2) Sparring (3) Breaking (4) "Special technique" This appears to be consistent for ALL Dan levels. Is it just me, or does this seem too easy of a test for Dans? Personally, I have a 4th Dan Kukkiwon. My Grandmaster always required much, much more than this for each of my black belts tests. Which brings up the next question: how much freedom does each master have regarding what material is to be covered on the test? From my experience, the testing master has a lot of freedom to customize the test how ever they wish. Wouldn't this create huge differences in knowledge and ability between same level black belts from different master? If my observations are accurate, why would the Kukkiwon choose to take this approach to testing? I assume there is a reason for it...just curious what that reason my be. --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 09:06:14 -0500 (CDT) From: rick.aodenkou@verizon.net Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Requirements For Kukkiwon Testing To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hi On Fri, Jul 11, 2008 at 6:56 AM, Chris & Cindy Callahan wrote: So, this sounds like the person testing is only required to perform 2 forms...Taegeuk 8 and any one of Taegeuks 1 thru 7. To summarize, it seems the person testing only has to do: (1) 2 Forms (2) Sparring (3) Breaking (4) "Special technique" This appears to be consistent for ALL Dan levels.  Is it just me, or does this seem too easy of a test for Dans? Personally, I have a 4th Dan Kukkiwon.  My Grandmaster always required much, much more than this for each of my black belts tests.  Which brings up the next question: how much freedom does each master have regarding what material is to be covered on the test? From my experience, the testing master has a lot of freedom to customize the test how ever they wish.  Wouldn't this create huge differences in knowledge and ability between same level black belts from different master? If my observations are accurate, why would the Kukkiwon choose to take this approach to testing?  I assume there is a reason for it...just curious what that reason my be. _______________________________________________ I could never begin to read the collective mind of the Kukkiwon - and I really don't think I would want to be able to do that :-) But, perhaps what you are seeing is a minimum requirement and they understand that individual instructors will have their own set of testing requirements. Years ago I wrote an article that appeared in TKD Times about the purpose of testing. I'll try to post it on my web site, but in a nut shell - testing can serve two purposes. 1) it gives the student a goal to reach, you have to do something to get something - so it becomes more real. Rather than just giving the rank, people may not feel that they have "earned" the rank. But more important for me is 2) that it gives me (as an instructor) the ability to judge how well I have achieved my teaching goals. If I see that there are a number of students having a problem in the same area then I can adjust my training schedule to correct that area of concern. Or, it may give me a clue that I am not teaching in a way that adequately covers an area of study, so I need to look at my teaching method. So instructors may have tougher testing's to make the students feel they have earned their belts, and that they use the test for some self-inspection of their teaching skills. BUT to be honest I'll bet there are a lot of instructors who don't stop to think that any shortcoming of their students is the fault of poor teaching skills. Rick Clark --__--__-- Message: 3 From: Ray To: The_Dojang Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 08:10:34 -0700 Subject: [The_Dojang] Haidong Gumdo Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net To be a champion Martinez chosen for martial arts event in South Korea TOM ZULEWSKI July 11, 2008 Cathleen Martinez has been around martial arts, in one form or another, since she was 10 years old. She has won more than her share of awards in everything from Tae Kwon Do to Hapkido at the Utah Summer Games and beyond. Advertisement None of them compare with what the 26-year-old is trying to do next. Martinez is part of a group of six students from throughout Utah who will be involved in the World Haidong Gum Do Championships to be contested in Seoul, South Korea, from July 27 to July 29. A native of Heber City and a graduate of Wasatch High, Martinez moved to St. George in 2006 and is employed as a surgical technician at Dixie Regional Medical Center. She has been studying Haidong Gum Do - which involves precise movements and throws with a sword - since 2002. Although working with a sharp object such as a sword can be a little intimdating, Martinez eventually got comfortable, thanks to prior experience in Tae Kwon Do and Hapkido. "It felt dangerous at first, throwing the sword around. I was nervous," Martinez said. "I haven't done a lot of (work with) weapons, but I've hurt myself with plenty of them to know they're dangerous." Her instructor, Salt Lake City-based chief master Sabumnim Marshall Parnell, said that while the selection process for the bi-annual event was "a two-year deal," giving the required referral to put Martinez on the world stage wasn't difficult. "She's been showing the will to work hard and put in extra hours of practice. It's one thing to practice, but another to show at the world level," Parnell said. "Talent is huge factor and Martinez has done this her whole life. She's good at any martial art she tries. "I do seminars and watch for standouts. She stands out." Haidong Gum Do is an ancient martial art, but the sport itself is relatively new, Parnell said. Martinez will perform her routines with a sword that weighs around two pounds. "The sword can get heavy really fast," he said. The competition in South Korea will take place in three phases. The first phase will involve competition against other black belt holders from the United States in different age divisions. Competitors will perform a routine of around 35 to 50 seconds in a series of movements called "kata" and be scored by judges. In the second phase, those who advance will face competitiors from other countries in a longer routine of around 1:15. Those good enough to move on face the toughest step, a routine of a full 90 seconds against the best from all of South Korea. "This is the hardest way to do a competition," Parnell said. "(Martinez) is ready for the whole thing, but it adds a degree of difficulty unparalleled to any martial art I've done." Martinez said the excitement is building for the challenge and the event. "There's a little bit of pressure. Everyone I've ever trained with sees me as a gold medalist, so they're seeing this as a new form of quality," she said of her upcoming trip. Even though Martinez will be holding a weapon, she enjoys working with the sword a little more than head-to-head martial arts. "At least this isn't a competition where I'll get my face messed up. Doing this form of martial arts, I don't have to spend months recovering in a hospital and I can train without breaking anything," she said. Martinez said her worst injury suffered in her martial arts career was a bruised sternum while doing Tae Kwon Do. She turns 27 on July 22, which won't leave her much time to enjoy the birthday because she departs with her five teammates, who are all from the Salt Lake area, for Korea the next day. As the only person from Southern Utah involved in the event, it adds a little more to the excitement level. "I'm ecstatic for this and really excited," she said. "With everyone else from Salt Lake, I'm the only one representing Southern Utah." The distance involved in working with Parnell hasn't stopped Martinez from being involved regularly. Parnell said she travels to Salt Lake City to meet with him at least twice a month. "She's shown tremendous dedication, flying and driving up with insane gas prices. I drive to see her, but it doesn't happen as regularly as it should," he said. "I check on her training to make sure she stays sharp." Martinez also works with Jason Cleverly, who's based in St. George. --__--__-- Message: 4 From: "Sharon Tkach" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 12:40:19 -0700 Subject: [The_Dojang] MA Supershow Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >Anyone else going? It would be nice to do lunch or drinks or something >with >some fellow DDers...... I don't think he's on the DD currently, but Master Les Connard of Kim's Hapkido will be there for the debut of "Red Canvas," a MA movie he is the exec producer of. Many of the prison guards (and possibly some of the inmates) are played by Kim's Hapkido black belts. The movie stars Ernie Reyes, Jr., and includes Ernie Reyes Sr., John Savage, Frank Shamrock, Dan Severn, Kathy Long, Stephen Quadros, and George Takai in the cast. More info available at redcanvasthemovie.com. ~Sharon Tkach --__--__-- Message: 5 From: Ray To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Requirements For Kukkiwon Testing Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 15:32:44 -0700 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > Does anyone have any idea what is considered to be "Special technique" I think they mean Hoshinsul. Yes, the Kukkiwon's minimum requirements are, well, minimal. Years ago I was shocked to learn that Koryo was not a form that one learned for their Il Dan test. It is actually one you are supposed to learn for your E Dan test. But I think many instructors, esp those outside of Korea, use it earlier since you really don't have to learn a new form for your 1st Dan. Other instructors start to pull in forms from the Palgue set at this point to beef things up. Ray --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2008: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest