Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 02:48:21 +0200 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 15 #188 - 8 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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JC Shin TSD moving (Ray) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 18:50:59 -0500 (CDT) From: rick.aodenkou@verizon.net Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Re: Contents of The_Dojang digest, Vol 15 #186; Re: Chang Hun Toi-Gye tul (Christopher Spiller) To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hi Robert, On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 4:00 PM, Robert Burns wrote: > then step right foot out to right into "riding horse stance", raise > double fists on hips with elbows suddenly extended 180 degrees > from hips, then rapidly swing each elbow (right then left) towards the > front to block foot attack, .....I don't know if that is the same > movement as > "Toi-Gye", but it is an elegent and effective movement if done > smoothly and with precision. Yours in the MA, Bob Burns, 2nd Dan As a 2nd dan I am sure you have had considerable experience in free sparring. I am just curious if you have ever stood in front of a partner in a horse stance with your hand on your hips - elbows out - and blocked a kick in this manner while free sparing? Personally I don't think I would want to try blocking a strong kick in this manner. While I will concede it might be possible to block a kick in this manner I should think there is a limited number of angles and attacks that could be deflected. Because the tip of the elbow and the shoulder / fist created a triangle the strongest point to attempt a block would be near the elbow, as you get closer to the body the less strength you would have. This gives a limited point in space that the elbow could be used to block. Closer to the fist and shoulder you will have less strength and less mobility which would give you very limited ability to deflect or strike. Also, if you were in a horse stance and attempted to block a kick to your side I think your balance would be rather poor. For me stances can give you an indication of what you would be doing in a self defense situation. Take a moment and visualize that you are going to pick up a heavy barbell, what position would you be standing? I suspect you would find yourself in a modified horse stance. Or if you were going to push a car out of a snow bank (or stuck in the mud)? Would it be a horse stance? Back stance? Or front stance? To use an old saying "form follows function". Rick Clark --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 20:57:03 -0600 From: "Nathan Miller" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Re: Contents of The_Dojang digest, Vol 15 #186; Re: Chang Hun Toi-Gye tul (Christopher Spiller) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > From Bob Burns: > 2nd > Dan Oriental Martial Arts College, Columbus, OH, Indianapolis, IN, Crystal > River, FL. > > My GM Young P. Choi and his older brother Joon P. Choi teach a > "TKD" form derived from Kung Fu, called: > AMHACH... Am-hak is the Korean pronunciation of the Chinese characters used for the Japanese form Gankaku, meaning "crane on a rock." Gankaku, in turn, is derived from the Okinawan form Chinto. This form is still practiced in many Japanese and Okinawan styles, and in tang soo do. --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 11:58:28 -0700 (PDT) From: gerardo lugo Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Re: Chang Hun Toi-Gye tul To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net dear friend:  look at the root of the forms and you will find the meaning of the movement, (hint, look in okinawan karate bear in mind terrain and most common ocupation of the area farming rice patties)  --__--__-- Message: 4 From: Ray To: The_Dojang Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 14:44:11 -0700 Subject: [The_Dojang] Summer Games Preview - TKD Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net 2008 Summer Olympic Games Preview - Taekwondo 07/17 01:15:05 ET Canada.com Philadelphia, PA (Sports Network)- Taekwondo is a martial art that integrates mental discipline with physical ability and quickness. The sport, which promotes self-defense, dates back more than 2,000 years to Korea and it has evolved over the years. While Taekwondo has been around for many centuries, it has only been an Olympic sports since 1980. The sport, actually, didn't even reach the competitive stage of the Summer Games schedule until the 2000 Sydney Games. The rules of Taekwondo are similar to those of boxing, but not identical. Punching and kicking techniques are used to score points in the competition and an athlete can win a match by scoring a knockout, by winning on points or when at least eight penalties are called on an opponent. There are eight weight classes in the competition, four for the men and four for the women. The men will compete in the under 58kg (128 lbs), under 68kg (150 lbs), under 80 kg (176 lbs) and over 80kg classes, while the women will take part in the 49kg (108 lbs), under 57kg (126 lbs), under 67kg (148 lbs) and over 67kg divisions. The competition only runs four days, from August 20-23 and will be held at the University of Science & Technology Beijing Gymnasium. The format follows an elimination tournament, where random drawing is used to determine the main bracket. Following each match in the main bracket, the loser is eliminated from gold-medal contention, while the winner moves on. The remaining two undefeated athletes will meet, with the winner earning the gold and the loser the silver. Starting in 2008, two bronzes will be awarded in each weight class as well. A total of 128 athletes are set to participate in this year's competition, with an even split between men and women. Rosters for each country can include up to four athletes (two men and two women), and for the Americans, three of the four members share the same last name, Lopez. Heading the charge is Steven Lopez, who has won the last four world titles and is the two-time defending Olympic welterweight champion. At the 2005 World Championships, Steve not only won his third crown, but he also saw his two younger siblings Mark and Diana capture their first world titles. All three family members are set partake in this year's games, making them the first trio of siblings to compete on the same Olympic team in the same sport since 1904. If that wasn't enough, their older brother Jean coaches the U.S. National Team. The fourth and final member of the American team is 17-year-old Charlotte Craig, who won the bronze medal at the 2007 World Championships. The 5-5, 97- pound Craig also placed a solid fourth at the Beijing Test Event last March. On the international front, Chen Zhong of China will gun for a three- peat at the 2008 games, as she won the prior two Olympic gold medals in the heavyweight division. One of the most decorated athletes in the sport, Zhong recently won the 2007 World Championships and is certainly a favorite at the 2008 games. The small nation of Chinese Taipei will once again be represented by the duo of Chen Shih Hsin and Chu Mu Yen, who swept the women's and men's flyweight titles in Athens. The titles represented the first ever gold medals for Chinese Taipei. Iran's Yossef Karami won the bronze medal (80kg) in Athens, narrowly losing to eventual winner Steven Lopez is the semifinals, and he figures to be a major player once again in 2008. --__--__-- Message: 5 From: Ray To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Re: Chang Hun Toi-Gye tul Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 14:41:39 -0700 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Better yet, think applications for stand-up grappling... Ray Terry thedojang@sbcglobal.net On Jul 17, 2008, at 11:58 AM, gerardo lugo wrote: > dear friend: look at the root of the forms and you will find the > meaning of > the movement, (hint, look in okinawan karate bear in mind terrain > and most > common ocupation of the area farming rice patties) --__--__-- Message: 6 From: Ray To: The_Dojang Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 15:23:28 -0700 Subject: [The_Dojang] JC Shin TSD moving Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Martial arts association will call Burlington home July 17, 2008 Michael D. Abernethy thetimesnews.com An army of martial artists will soon call Burlington home. The World Tang Soo Do Association's new headquarters will be built at the corner of Anthony and Hanford Roads, just south of the interstate. The association boasts more than 130,000 members in 33 countries worldwide. The Burlington City Council unanimously approved the four-acre plot for conditional business rezoning at its Tuesday meeting. The headquarters will be built in three phases. The first phase is a 17,800-square-foot, two-story office building that will contain studios and dormitory-style living areas. A second phase will build a 6,875-square-foot commercial retail space, which could include a health food store. A 35,000-square-foot gymnasium will be built in the final phase. The association hopes to begin construction within a year, said Jim Mars, a representative and member of the association who works in Mebane. Construction could take between six and 10 months, Mars guessed. The headquarters will host classes and conferences for students and 250 masters throughout the year, and serve as a home to as many as seven staff. The association has been headquartered in Philadelphia since 1982. Jae C. Shin, the organization's founder and grandmaster, has been looking to relocate to North or South Carolina for years, Mars said. Tang Soo Do had its origins in Korea more than 2,000 years ago and claims Tae Kwon Do as an offshoot. The World Tang Soo Do Association boasts about 15,000 black belts. The four-acre plot is part of the Burlington Commerce Park. Among conditions for the rezoning were a retention pond and a single entrance and exit off Hanford Road. --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2008: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest