Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2008 02:48:22 +0200 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 15 #189 - 5 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Today's Topics: 1. Re: The_Dojang digest, Vol 15 #186 -From: rick.aodenkou@verizon.net re: Chang Hun Toi-Gye tul (Robert Burns) 2. Chung Do Kwan (Ray) 3. Washington instructor faces 20 years (Ray) 4. TKD or Hapkido schools in or very near montclair, NJ (Anthony Zahler) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 07:36:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Robert Burns To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: The_Dojang digest, Vol 15 #186 -From: rick.aodenkou@verizon.net re: Chang Hun Toi-Gye tul Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net   1. RE: Re: Contents of The_Dojang digest, Vol 15       #186; Re: Chang Hun Toi-Gye tul (Christopher Spiller) (rick.aodenkou@verizon.net) On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at  4:00 PM, Robert Burns wrote: AM-HAK Poomsee form   > then step right foot out to right into "riding horse stance", raise > double fists on hips with elbows suddenly extended 180 degrees > from hips, then rapidly swing each elbow (right then left) towards the > front to block foot attack, .....I don't know if that is the same > movement as "Toi-Gye", but it is an elegent and effective movement if done > smoothly and with precision. Yours in the MA, Bob Burns, 2nd Dan As a 2nd dan I am sure you have had considerable experience in free sparring.  I am just curious if you have ever stood in front of a partner in a horse stance with your hand on your hips - elbows out - and blocked a kick in this manner while free sparing? Personally I don't think I would want to try blocking a strong kick in this manner.  While I will concede it might be possible to block a kick in this manner I should think there is a limited number of angles and attacks that could be deflected.  Because the tip of the elbow and the shoulder / fist created a triangle the strongest point to attempt a block would be near the elbow, as you get closer to the body the less strength you would have.  This gives a limited point in space that the elbow could be used to block.  Closer to the fist and shoulder you will have less strength and less mobility which would give you very limited ability to deflect or strike.  Also, if you were in a horse stance and attempted to block a kick to your side I think your balance would be rather poor. For me stances can give you an indication of what you would be doing in a self defense situation.  Take a moment and visualize that you are going to pick up a heavy barbell, what position would you be standing? I suspect you would find yourself in a modified horse stance.  Or if you were going to push a car out of a snow bank (or stuck in the mud)? Would it be a horse stance? Back stance?  Or front stance?  To use an old saying "form follows function". Rick Clark Hi Rick; Thanks for the "reminder" concerning fighting stances and strength movements; I've only been practicing MA, and in particular TKD and Hapkido and Kung Fu and Jeet Koondo for about 7 1/2 years; I'm sure, from your comments, you've got at least 10 years or more on me, and have more competition and meets by far.  However, I was only pointing out what an 8th and 9th Dan Gr. Masters were teaching, not what would or should be used in actual competition.  You are, of course, entirely correct in your evaluation of the movements, vis-a-vis actual sparring; I was simply pointing out a "poomsee" being taught in preparation for 3rd Dan, (concerning lifting the arms suddenly while doing a double elbow strike, then placing both hands on hips and moving the elbows synchonously right to left to block kicks with the elbows) (whether or not it would be effective in sparring or actual combat was never my position, nor would I, as a 2nd Dan ever be so bold to suggest such a movement or defense in this forum) which I hope to take and pass this coming December in Indianapolis.  I stopped sparring when I reached 68 years of age (I'm now 71 and I started MA when I was 63 years old).  Again, thanks for the cogent reminder and your words of wisdom, which I'm sure were meant only to instruct. Your Humble Student, Bob Burns, 2nd Dan Crystal River OMAC --__--__-- Message: 2 From: Ray To: The_Dojang Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 13:37:34 -0700 Subject: [The_Dojang] Chung Do Kwan Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Chung Do Kwon Finals Start Today in Lakeland, Florida By Lisa Coffey The Ledger July 18 It's a full-circle celebration for Grandmaster Ed Sell and his wife, Brenda, founders of the U.S. Chung Do Kwon Association. This weekend, the Lakeland pair, who started the association in 1967 when Ed returned from the Air Force, will host the U.S. Chung Do Kwon National Championships at The Lakeland Center. More then 350 competitors from 26 schools across the United States will compete. This week is extra special for the Sells. It's Ed's birthday and the school's 40th anniversary. And they will watch Brenda's brother, Mark Begley, earn his grandmaster title. "It's going to be awesome," said Grandmaster Brenda Sell. "It's most definitely a celebration." The Sells have spent the past 40 years creating the largest Tae Kwon Do School in the world. They brought Tae Kwon Do into the mainstream and are now going back to their roots with their second national championship - sticking to one form of Tae Kwon Do - Chung Do Kwon. According to Brenda, Chung Do Kwon is the Tae Kwon Do training system once used by the Korean Rock Army. One of 17 forms of Tae Kwon Do, it emphasizes power and the science of intensive shifting of the body weight. Two years ago, the couple started a sanctioning process for the Chung Do Kwon national championships. Members competed at local, state and regional competitions, but they have to be recommended by their instructors to compete at the nationals. "We wanted to do something really big for our students throughout the country," Sell said. Last year, the Sells held their first nationals in years at the Swan Hotel. This year, it's grown and will be held at the West Exhibition Hall in The Lakeland Center. One of the highlights is the Night of Champions event Saturday at 6:30 p.m. It features the black belt forms champions competing in a Grand Championship. The extreme division will do the same, and four demonstration teams will compete to be called the best in the country. Those who performed best in their sparring matches will face off again. Finally, Begley and Frank Loretta of Miami will be crowned Grandmasters. Younger students will compete today, while those age 14-and-older will compete Saturday. Competitors range in age from 3 to 74. Admission is $15 per day. --__--__-- Message: 3 From: Ray To: The_Dojang Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 13:34:49 -0700 Subject: [The_Dojang] Washington instructor faces 20 years Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Chehalis Tae Kwon Do Instructor Is Facing 20 Years for Sex Crimes The Chehalis Tae Kwon Do instructor who was arrested more than two years ago for sex crimes against a girl he taught will face more than 20 years in prison July 18 By Sharyn L. Decker The Chronicle The Chehalis Tae Kwon Do instructor who was arrested more than two years ago for sex crimes against a girl he taught will face more than 20 years in prison when he is sentenced next month. Robert M. Dobyns, 51, was in court with his attorney briefly on Thursday, as a date was set for his sentencing. He was convicted by a jury in Lewis County Superior Court in June of 10 counts of child molestation and rape. The case involved one victim, a 16-year-old girl who disclosed incidents that happened when she was between 9 and 12 years old, according to charging documents. Police said Dobyns instructed the girl in Tae Kwon Do and then developed a relationship with the girl’s mother, and eventually moved in with them. Authorities said he could no longer teach children Tae Kwon Do after he was charged, and no other victims came forward. His attorney Don McConnell said his client maintains he is innocent, and before his trial, turned down a plea offer from prosecutors, which would send him to prison for five to eight years. --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 17:45:51 -0400 From: "Anthony Zahler" To: The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] TKD or Hapkido schools in or very near montclair, NJ Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I have a former student who is looking for a TKD or Hapkido school in the Montcair, NJ area ( Nutley, Bloomfield, west Orange...). He saw a web site for Glen Ridge Taekwondo (http://www.grtkd.com/ ) and was curious if I knew anything about them. I don't know if happens to any other instructors, but I get many requests from current or former students about schools for friends or family in other states. While I know a few, having lived in Michigan, Californiaand now the DC metro area, I never professed to know about schools in other states. Do any of the other instructors or masters here get these types of questions often? I asked and the student just assumed that all us TKD and Hapkido masters just know each other and who is good or bad is common knowledge. What I did and have done in the past is just explain that I will ask other masters and give them the infothat I get from them. I go on to explain that it is just a first step and that they should sit and watch a white belt class and, if they can, a black belt class. The first to get a feel for how they teach new students and the second to see the long term students attitude and skills. Any recommendations would be appreciated, and all comments or experiences are also appreciated. Tony Z --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2008: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest