Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 02:48:21 +0200 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 15 #190 - 9 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Today's Topics: 1. Bronze (Ray) 2. RE: Re: The_Dojang digest, Vol 15 #186 -From: rick.aodenkou@verizon.net re: Chang Hun Toi-Gye tul (rick.aodenkou@verizon.net) 3. Re: TKD or Hapkido schools in or very near montclair, NJ (Ray) 4. Re: TKD or Hapkido schools in or very near montclair, NJ (Howard Spivey) 5. 26 secs of Judo (Ray) 6. More Bronze (Ray) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: Ray To: The_Dojang Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 16:26:48 -0700 Subject: [The_Dojang] Bronze Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net USA's John Duhart wins Bronze on Opening Day of World University Championships in Serbia July 17, 2008 by Dan Chuang John Duhart (fin) earned the only medal for Team USA on Day 1. He won his first match by withdraw over Kenya, followed by a 6-4 win over a strong competitor from Egypt to earn a spot in the semifinals. He lost against the eventual gold medalist from Korea in the semifinals by a score of 4-1. Stefan Webb (light) also had a very strong performance. He beat the reigning Dutch Open champion from Serbia in the first round 5-2, won his second match 3-0 over Switzerland, and lost a heartbreaking match against Korea 5-4 in the quarterfinals, with the winning point scored in the final seconds of the match. Markie Keelan (fin) fought a very close first match against the reigning world champion from China. She lost 1-0, with the winning point occurring in the final seconds of the match. Christina Johnson (light) had a tough first-round match against Croatia, the eventual bronze medalist. The score was 4-0, with two of Christina's points negated by penalties. Tomorrow, Friday, July 18, 2008, Danielle Pelham (fly) starts off the day against Brazil, Luke Ford (welter) meets Korea in his first match, Stephen Lambdin (heavy) meets Egypt in the first round, and Aziza Chambers (bantam) meets Korea in the first round. --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2008 07:36:16 -0500 (CDT) From: rick.aodenkou@verizon.net Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Re: The_Dojang digest, Vol 15 #186 -From: rick.aodenkou@verizon.net re: Chang Hun Toi-Gye tul To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hi Robert, Hi Rick; > Thanks for the "reminder" concerning fighting stances and strength > movements; I think this is a point that many people tend to overlook. Stances and the transition from one to the next give you the ability to generate strength or conversely to have little or no power behind a technique. > I've only been practicing MA, and in particular TKD and Hapkido and > Kung Fu and Jeet Koondo for about 7 1/2 years; I'm sure, from your > comments, you've got at least 10 years or more on me, and have more > competition and meets by far. :-) a couple, I started in 1962. > However, I was only pointing out what an 8th and 9th Dan Gr. Masters > were teaching, not what would or should be used in actual > competition.  > You are, of course, entirely correct in your evaluation of the > movements, vis-a-vis actual sparring; I was simply pointing out a > "poomsee" being taught in preparation for 3rd Dan, This is really where I would like you and others to give a bit of thought. What is the purpose of forms (kata, hyung, poomsee)? What was the purpose of them 100 or more years ago and has that changed in the modern time? The short answer for me is that "Forms" teach you the system you are practicing, and give you the tools to defend yourself in a "real life situation". Books, DVD, magazines, etc. were not something you had back then. Literacy was much lower then, so forms were the way you could pass on information. In the modern era we lost sight of the purpose of forms. We see musical forms, people making up forms, heck even high ranking individuals taking the old forms (pinan/heain/pyung-ahn as an example) and throwing them in a blender, adding kicks, and calling them ancient forms taught to them by some old guy. Or simply being open about it and saying they made up new forms for their style or association. > (concerning lifting the arms suddenly while doing a double elbow > strike, then placing both hands on hips and moving the elbows > synchonously > right to left to block kicks with the elbows) (whether or not it > would be effective in sparring or actual combat was never my position, > nor would I, > as a 2nd Dan ever be so bold to suggest such  a movement or defense > in this forum) Ah here is where it get's good for me. You mentioned the technique so I suspect it's something you were taught. > which I hope to take and pass this coming December in Indianapolis.  I > stopped sparring when I reached 68 years of age (I'm now 71 and > I started MA when I was 63 years old).  I have to commend you on taking up TKD at 63, a age when most would be more comfortable sitting back and watching TV or doing a hobbie that does not require so much from you. So what I would ask from you and others is to develop your critical thinking, or in a more crude way learn to use your BS detector. If someone gives you and explanation for something don't just take it at face value based on the rank or status of the person. If someone tells you such and such a move will let you defend yourself from 2 people in opposite directions at the same time, or you are doing something that would only work with a compliant partner. I have a few articles I have wrote up on my web http://ao-denkou-kai.org/articles.htm you might find them of interest. I have had a rather strong interest in forms and various applications for a few years now. > Again, thanks for the cogent reminder and your words of wisdom, which > I'm sure were meant only to instruct. I am not so bold as to try to instruct on this list, because I am not your (or others) instructor. But rather to further a conversation on which I have a real interest, forms and their applications. > Bob Burns, 2nd Dan Rick Clark www.ao-denkou-kai.org --__--__-- Message: 3 From: Ray To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] TKD or Hapkido schools in or very near montclair, NJ Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 19:49:35 -0700 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I think you're taking the right approach. I see a half dozen TKD schools in that general area, but know nothing about any of them. No Hapkido. Hopefully those closer to that area (I'm 3,000 miles away) will know a lot more. Ray On Jul 18, 2008, at 2:45 PM, Anthony Zahler wrote: > I have a former student who is looking for a TKD or Hapkido school > in the > Montcair, NJ area > ( Nutley, Bloomfield, west Orange...). He saw a web site for Glen > Ridge > Taekwondo > (http://www.grtkd.com/ ) and was curious if I knew anything about > them. > > I don't know if happens to any other instructors, but I get many > requests > from current or > former students about schools for friends or family in other > states. While > I know a few, > having lived in Michigan, Californiaand now the DC metro area, I never > professed to know > about schools in other states. Do any of the other instructors or > masters > here get these > types of questions often? I asked and the student just assumed that > all us > TKD and Hapkido > masters just know each other and who is good or bad is common > knowledge. > > What I did and have done in the past is just explain that I will ask > other > masters and give them > the infothat I get from them. I go on to explain that it is just a > first > step and that they should sit > and watch a white belt class and, if they can, a black belt class. > The > first to get a feel for how > they teach new students and the second to see the long term students > attitude and skills. > > Any recommendations would be appreciated, and all comments or > experiences > are also appreciated. > > Tony Z > _______________________________________________ > The_Dojang mailing list, 2,400 members > The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2008: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://the-dojang.net --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2008 10:45:58 -0500 From: Howard Spivey Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] TKD or Hapkido schools in or very near montclair, NJ To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hi Tony, Here's a Hapkido only school (no TKD) that's not far from Montclair and easy to get to from there. http://www.jungkihapkidoamerica.com/pomptonlakeswaynenjkaratehapkido.html The Hapkido is very traditional, as taught by Choi Yong Sul. You could ask your former student to contact Iron Eagle Hapkido. The school welcomes inquiries and new students. Regards... Anthony Zahler wrote: > I have a former student who is looking for a TKD or Hapkido school in the > Montcair, NJ area > ( Nutley, Bloomfield, west Orange...). He saw a web site for Glen Ridge > Taekwondo > (http://www.grtkd.com/ ) and was curious if I knew anything about them. > > I don't know if happens to any other instructors, but I get many requests > from current or > former students about schools for friends or family in other states. While > I know a few, > having lived in Michigan, Californiaand now the DC metro area, I never > professed to know > about schools in other states. Do any of the other instructors or masters > here get these > types of questions often? I asked and the student just assumed that all us > TKD and Hapkido > masters just know each other and who is good or bad is common knowledge. > > What I did and have done in the past is just explain that I will ask other > masters and give them > the infothat I get from them. I go on to explain that it is just a first > step and that they should sit > and watch a white belt class and, if they can, a black belt class. The > first to get a feel for how > they teach new students and the second to see the long term students > attitude and skills. > > Any recommendations would be appreciated, and all comments or experiences > are also appreciated. > > Tony Z > _______________________________________________ > The_Dojang mailing list, 2,400 members > The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2008: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://the-dojang.net --__--__-- Message: 5 From: Ray To: The_Dojang Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2008 13:00:28 -0700 Subject: [The_Dojang] 26 secs of Judo Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net http://video.msn.com/?mkt=en-us&vid=806e1e6b-be1d-48bd-b44a-9f5379383243&playlist=videoByTag:tag:viral:ns:Gallery:mk:us:vs:1&from=MSNHP&tab=m137>1=42003 26 throws in 26 seconds. Ray --__--__-- Message: 6 From: Ray To: The_Dojang Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2008 13:03:10 -0700 Subject: [The_Dojang] More Bronze Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Stephen Lambdin Picks Up Second Bronze Medal for U.S. at World TKD University Championships July 18, 2008 Dan Chuang Men's Team captain Stephen Lambdin (heavy) led the way on day 2 earning a bronze medal for Team USA. He won his first match over Egypt 7-3, followed by a dramatic 3-1 win over Poland, with the go-ahead points scored on a spinning hook kick. He met the home favorite from Serbia in the semifinals. The match was a dramatic one, with Team USA and the home crowd competing to make the most noise with their cheers and drumming. Unfortunately, Stephen did not advance, with Serbia winning 2-1. Serbia went on to win the gold medal in the finals by point gap over Iran. Luke Ford (welter) met a competitor from Korea in the first round of play. Luke sparred well throughout the match, and despite some solid kicks that knocked his opponent to the ground, he did not advance. The final score was 4-2. Danielle Pelham (fly) met a tough (and very tall) competitor from Brazil in the first round. She managed the match well but unfortunately didn't advance, the final score being 2-(-1). Aziza Chambers (bantam) met the eventual gold medalist from Korea in the first round. Korea went up early with some head kicks, but Aziza hung tough and worked through all three rounds, with the final score being 6-(-1). On Saturday, Stephanie Mackay (feather) meets Korea in the first round. Former collegiate world champion Sanaz Shahbazi (middle) also meets Korea in the first round. Tal Moriah (feather) meets Serbia and Dennis Rudasill (middle) will face Turkey. Below are the medalists from days 1 and 2. For full results, go to: https://webmail.usoc.org/exchweb/bin/redir.asp?URL=http://www.tas.org.yu/wutc2008/results.html Day 1 Results Men's Fin 1) Kil-Sang Moon (Korea) 2) Yu-Yao Tseng (Chinese Taipei) 3) John Duhart (USA) 3) Remzi Basakbugday (Turkey) Women's Fin 1) Ju-Yi Ting (Chinese Taipei) 2) Katia Arakaki (Brazil) 3) Yenitse Alvarez (Cuba) 3) JingYun Wu (China) Men's Light 1) Alireza Nassrazadany (Iran) 2) Young-Sun Lee (Korea) 3) Sendar Akin (Turkey) 3) Damir Radovic (Croatia) Women's Light 1) Tamara Good Willens Housen (Spain) 2) Yulia Akimova (Russia) 3) Petra Matijasevic (Croatia) 3) Chiung-Fang Chang (Chinese Taipei) Day 2 Results Men's Welter 1) Rouhollah Talebi Kahangi (Iran) 2) Andre Bilia (Brazil) 3) Alabey Gullu (Turkey) 3) Sergey Dozortsev (Russia) Women's Fly 1) Sevde Mavi (Turkey) 2) Hui-Chiao Luan (Chinese Taipei) 3) Ji Lin (China) 3) Daynellis Montejo (Cuba) Mens' Heavy 1) Vanja Babic (Serbia) 2) Hosein Tajik (Iran) 3) Stephen Lambdin (USA) 3) Robert Vossen (Germany) Women's Bantam 1) Jin-Ah Nam (Korea) 2) Yi-Hsuan Tseng (Chinese Taipei) 3) Shannon Condie (Canada) 3) Sibel Yildririm (Turkey) --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2008: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. 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