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Copyright 1994-2008: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Korean Martial Arts. 2,400 members. See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Today's Topics: 1. Re: TKD or Hapkido schools in or very near Montclair, NJ (Christopher Spiller) 2. training past 40 years of age, attention Mr. Burns (freddie bishop) 3. Re: training past 40 years of age, attention Mr. Burns (daomyer@aol.com) 4. Re: training past 40 years of age, attention Mr. Burns (Kimberley Warner) 5. Toi-Gye Tul (Robert Martin) 6. Re: training past 40 years of age, attention Mr. Burns (shimmeringlight@optonline.net) 7. Re: training past 40 years of age, attention Mr. Burns (Mitch Theriot) 8. Re: training past 40 years of age, attention Mr. Burns (Kimberley Warner) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2008 18:34:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Christopher Spiller To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: TKD or Hapkido schools in or very near Montclair, NJ Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Mr. Nick Malefyt is a 6th dan who teaches in Fairfield, NJ at All Star TKD (www.allstartkd.com). I've know Mr. Malefyt for a few years and can say he's a eal gentleman and an excellent teacher. I was fortunate enough to see his 6th dan test, which was superb. Besides TKD he has experience in arnis and Hapkido. According to mapquest, Fairfield is about 18 minutes from Montclair. Your student can contact Mr. Malefyt at 1-862-216-0697. Hope this information is helpful. Pax, Chris > On Jul 18, 2008, at 2:45 PM, Anthony Zahler wrote: > > > I have a former student who is looking for a TKD or > Hapkido school > > in the > > Montcair, NJ area > > ( Nutley, Bloomfield, west Orange...). He saw a web > site for Glen > > Ridge > > Taekwondo > > (http://www.grtkd.com/ ) and was curious if I knew > anything about > > them. > > > > I don't know if happens to any other instructors, > but I get many > > requests > > from current or > > former students about schools for friends or family in > other > > states. While > > I know a few, > > having lived in Michigan, Californiaand now the DC > metro area, I never > > professed to know > > about schools in other states. Do any of the other > instructors or > > masters > > here get these > > types of questions often? I asked and the student > just assumed that > > all us > > TKD and Hapkido > > masters just know each other and who is good or bad is > common > > knowledge. > > > > What I did and have done in the past is just explain > that I will ask > > other > > masters and give them > > the infothat I get from them. I go on to explain that > it is just a > > first > > step and that they should sit > > and watch a white belt class and, if they can, a black > belt class. > > The > > first to get a feel for how > > they teach new students and the second to see the long > term students > > attitude and skills. > > > > Any recommendations would be appreciated, and all > comments or > > experiences > > are also appreciated. > > > > Tony Z --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 05:14:31 -0700 (PDT) From: freddie bishop To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] training past 40 years of age, attention Mr. Burns Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Well, I passed a mile stone yesterday. I turned 40 years old! I still have not earn my black belt in anything. So, I missed that boat. My training practice has changed over the years. I try to do things with a little more caution. I have noticed I am less flexible, my butt don't bounce like it used to when I hit the mat, I stay there for a few seconds. The aspects of my training I really enjoy are poomsae, basics practice, I've picked up some weapons techniques, so I enjoy that, and I like studying human anatomy for purpose of applying my tae kwon do more effectively. What has been your experience of training into your 40's and beyond? Fred --__--__-- Message: 3 To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] training past 40 years of age, attention Mr. Burns Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 10:33:46 -0400 From: daomyer@aol.com Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Fred, Happy Birthday. I know you will hear from many folks way older than I am and that are very talented so you will see its still early in the game. I wanted to chime in because being close in age at 43 it seemed worth talking about the Bbelt thing since you mentioned it. For many reasons from the first just being finances when I was 20 to then being transferred for work, I never took my test either. Heck in moving around I went to 1st Gup 4 times in TKD, twice in HKD and in between the years did a few in several styles that were my only options to continue mat time in. Having finally settled down I just did my Kukkiwon and finally got the belt. Hoping to do the same very shortly in HKD and my ITF TKD. After so long and developing a decent level and ability to spar or hang its tough to go back to basics and go through the steps but if you can you should. Its so worth it. Not for anyone else but for yourself. It’s a great sense of personal pride and maybe for you like me, while only truly a beginning its also a sense of closure. The best part is that every technique always needs practicing, improvement and more mat time so if possible its great to find a school and teacher. As you mentioned we obviously adjust some things. For me anything jumping removes my use of knees for two days so that’s out. Heck just training does leave me hobbling around a bit with knee pain but it feels a thousand times better than sitting on m y keester. I hope you decide to wrap that up. Its very possible and rewarding and yes….there’s plenty of us at it at this milestone and I know of plenty way beyond that motivate me to work a lot harder for a lot longer. Dave O -----Original Message----- From: freddie bishop To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Sent: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 8:14 am Subject: [The_Dojang] training past 40 years of age, attention Mr. Burns --__--__-- Message: 4 From: Kimberley Warner Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] training past 40 years of age, attention Mr. Burns Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 10:56:04 -0500 To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I didn't start training until I was 40 so I have no comparison to what it was like before turning 40. I'm 42 now and absolutely love TKD. My boys started training 4 years ago. Sitting and watching just wasn't enough for me so I joined them. I will never be as quick and strong as they are and wouldn't want to meet my 13 or 14 year old in a dark alley. My only regret is not starting much earlier. It has helped my attitude, confidence, health, and over all well being in ways I cannot express. Kimberley On Jul 20, 2008, at 7:14 AM, freddie bishop wrote: > Well, I passed a mile stone yesterday. I turned 40 years old! I still > have not earn my black belt in anything. So, I missed that boat. My > training practice has changed over the years. I try to do things with > a little more caution. I have noticed I am less flexible, my butt > don't bounce like it used to when I hit the mat, I stay there for a > few seconds. The aspects of my training I really enjoy are poomsae, > basics practice, I've picked up some weapons techniques, so I enjoy > that, and I like studying human anatomy for purpose of applying my tae > kwon do more effectively. What has been your experience of training > into your 40's and beyond? > > Fred > _______________________________________________ > The_Dojang mailing list, 2,400 members > The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2008: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://the-dojang.net > Kimberley AOL IM: xanthepure --__--__-- Message: 5 From: "Robert Martin" To: Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 09:52:56 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] Toi-Gye Tul Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Dear Mr. Okersrom, It seems the conversation moved away from your original question a bit. I'm late getting back to you on this as I've been out of town at GM Sereff's world camp. Move 12 is twin side elbow strike (Sang Yop Palkup). The targets are the same as single side elbow (philtrum and solar plexus with floating ribs and chest as secondary). However, in single side the back fist is facing the ground on the striking side with the elbow slightly raised at the moment of impact. In twin side the side fits are faced downward at the moment of impact. This seems to be a stronger and more natural position for two elbows rather than the way it is done for one elbow. Now the real problem, I suspect, is that move 12 is done in slow motion. Because of this many students don't understand how power is applied with the technique. The technique should be taught at regular speed and with power and then the slow motion version in the pattern to demonstrate balance and control. Later the twin elbow is done with more power at regular speed in Ul-Ji at move 10. As stated above the primary targets are piltrum (under the nose) and solar plexus; floating ribs and chest secondary. Twin elbow is geared to having two opponents standing on each side of the defender and facing straight into the defenders side. Robert Martin -- __--__-- Message: 7 From: "Gordon Okerstrom" To: Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 11:05:50 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Toi-Gye Tul Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Greetings. I posted this on Master Mac's board last Friday and wanted to ask this forum as well. For those of you who know the Chang Han Tuls, in Toi-Gye Tul, movement number 12, what is the technique you do and what is its application? Gordon Okerstrom -- __--__-- Message: 8 From: "Gordon Okerstrom" To: Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 14:14:48 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Chang Han Toi-Gye Tul Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net The reason I'm asking about Toi-Gye is that we see many schools perform movement 12 as placing fists on hips (Peter Pan). The Tae Kwon Do Legacy text states double elbow strike and the video shows the Fists on hips. -a contradiction. I wanted to pole the list for what most instructors teach. Gordon Okerstrom -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 1454 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 19:15:32 +0000 (GMT) From: shimmeringlight@optonline.net Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] training past 40 years of age, attention Mr. Burns To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Cc: shimmeringlight@optonline.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hi Fred, and Bows to You ! Re: Training at 40+ Although Ive trained for many years........ when I was 40 all those issues still happen. The staying in the mat DOES take a moment or two ! The recovery DOES take some "time"... Guess it's just, "gravity" LOL. However, the feelings of accomplishments is exhilarating, especially when those in their 20 & 30 are surprised that the older guy keeps up with them or is better then them in the aspects of endurance, speed, power and balance (not necessarily in that order). 40 is PRIME age for being totally awesome... its getting to that point of WANTING to train is when you got to pull-out your, "ROCKY" card ! Its all about scheduling around our selves, its easy enuf if ya put it down on paper- but then there are ALL the, "got-ta-do things that SEEM more important then training- the flesh is a whole lot stronger then your spirit in the beginning and your BODY does NOT want to get tired or even stresses ! So , you got to "ROCKY" and only you or someone, can drag your butt out of the house and force you to run one more lap, push you to beyond touching your knees, spread them legs an inch or 6 further... take a break, get some gatorade- bring your body back to the floor !! Yup.... it aint easy especially by your self ! However, once you conquer your weak side, there's only the strong -you in your mirror and others to will see YOU as well !! Carry On !! Get yourself or someone or something to motivate you ! Exert alot, rest alot... dont sprain- but its ok to strain alot !! Master Gregory Nabel ----- Original Message ----- From: freddie bishop Date: Sunday, July 20, 2008 9:49 am Subject: [The_Dojang] training past 40 years of age, attention Mr. Burns To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > Well, I passed a mile stone yesterday. I turned 40 years old! I > still have not earn my black belt in anything. So, I missed that > boat. My training practice has changed over the years. I try to > do things with a little more caution. I have noticed I am less > flexible, my butt don't bounce like it used to when I hit the > mat, I stay there for a few seconds. The aspects of my training > I really enjoy are poomsae, basics practice, I've picked up some > weapons techniques, so I enjoy that, and I like studying human > anatomy for purpose of applying my tae kwon do more effectively. > What has been your experience of training into your 40's and > beyond? > > Fred > _______________________________________________ > The_Dojang mailing list, 2,400 members > The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2008: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://the-dojang.net > www.gnabelmartialarts.com [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type text/x-vcard which had a name of shimmeringlight.vcf; charset=us-ascii] --__--__-- Message: 7 From: "Mitch Theriot" To: Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] training past 40 years of age, attention Mr. Burns Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 13:16:05 -0600 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I didnt start until a year ago at age 45. I trained all total about a year and a half 25 years ago. Ditto everything Kimberly said. I kind of like the little aches as they remind me that I'm not sitting on my rump like most of my "old" friends... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kimberley Warner" To: Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2008 9:56 AM Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] training past 40 years of age, attention Mr. Burns I didn't start training until I was 40 so I have no comparison to what it was like before turning 40. I'm 42 now and absolutely love TKD. My boys started training 4 years ago. Sitting and watching just wasn't enough for me so I joined them. I will never be as quick and strong as they are and wouldn't want to meet my 13 or 14 year old in a dark alley. My only regret is not starting much earlier. It has helped my attitude, confidence, health, and over all well being in ways I cannot express. Kimberley On Jul 20, 2008, at 7:14 AM, freddie bishop wrote: > Well, I passed a mile stone yesterday. I turned 40 years old! I still have > not earn my black belt in anything. So, I missed that boat. My training > practice has changed over the years. I try to do things with a little more > caution. I have noticed I am less flexible, my butt don't bounce like it > used to when I hit the mat, I stay there for a few seconds. The aspects of > my training I really enjoy are poomsae, basics practice, I've picked up > some weapons techniques, so I enjoy that, and I like studying human > anatomy for purpose of applying my tae kwon do more effectively. What has > been your experience of training into your 40's and beyond? > > Fred > _______________________________________________ > The_Dojang mailing list, 2,400 members > The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2008: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://the-dojang.net > Kimberley AOL IM: xanthepure _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 2,400 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2008: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://the-dojang.net --__--__-- Message: 8 From: Kimberley Warner Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] training past 40 years of age, attention Mr. Burns Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 15:58:20 -0500 To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net At my first testing I broke a small bone in my wrist (the scaphoid) in two places. It was a really, really good punch ;.). I was in a cast for over a year because of some complications and 2 surgeries it just wouldn't heal. I passed my first test with flying colors, tested the second time with a cast from my hand to above my elbow. One of the judges didn't even know I had a cast on my arm during my forms until my instructor told the judges I couldn't punch with my left hand in the sparring because of it. I haven't been able to test since then because the doctor just doesn't seem to understand the importance of testing for me. I have been released from his care now so I will be working hard for that next test. Only missed 2 classes during that year. My instructor is a Physicians Assistant so he watches me very closely to make sure I won't re-injure my wrist. Anyway, I can't tell you the number of people that told me to quit. I figure the odds of getting hurt badly in TKD class is pretty small and I've already done that. So getting hurt twice, the odds are in my favor! Kimberley On Jul 20, 2008, at 2:16 PM, Mitch Theriot wrote: > I didnt start until a year ago at age 45. I trained all total about a > year and a half 25 years ago. Ditto everything Kimberly said. I kind > of like the little aches as they remind me that I'm not sitting on my > rump like most of my "old" friends... --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2008: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest