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See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Today's Topics: 1. Toi-Gye,Training over 40,and other stuffs i rarely post about (- -) 2. Training beyond 40 (Don Ross) 3. Re: Training beyond 40 (shimmeringlight@optonline.net) 4. Re: training past 40 years of age, attention Mr. Burns (shimmeringlight@optonline.net) 5. Re: training past 40 years of age, attention Mr. Burns (Kimberley Warner) 6. RE: To 40 and BEYOND! (michael tomlinson) 7. RE: Specific Form At A Specific Rank (Ferdinand "Fernando" Perez) 8. Beijing Quick Guide (Ray) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: - - To: Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 23:11:18 +0000 Subject: [The_Dojang] Toi-Gye,Training over 40,and other stuffs i rarely post about Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Heyall,first off maybe i was reading wrong but i envisioned this block similar to the Tang Soo Do elbow blocks in Pyung Sa Dan and Jinto-and as far as sparring with this style blocks-i defo use em in class-The high blocks i saw in the videos-well,have u ever sparred with somebody who is "really good"-picture somebody attacking your head from behind. Over 40-gratz,I been training in one way or another since i can remember-Recently getting my 2nd Dan(2006) in Tang Soo Do.Funny you should mention injuries.A few years back practicin one o the higher self-defense techniques-my instructor insisted i change things(jump higher,land like this)and as a result i twisted the snot outta my left ankle.Pretty much better now-Recently,(yeah-i'm getting there) we had a long late night practice when a local master stopped by to say hello-and join our small class-we sparred a few rounds,,i tossed a roundhouse-he caught the inside of my knee with his foot-and gave me a little tug-Well my rearward knee let out a huge pop when it got to about 2 o'clock,,I blame it on lack of consistent training and the long training we did that night-I feel the knee is gonna bother me for as long-if not longer than the ankle did,, I was always taught to protect my knees-and @ 43 I'm proud to say tis is not only the first major injury i've had to them-but the only mentionable one. Speakin o which-I love my instructor like a brother-but he has let the teaching part drop off dramatically-If i'm lucky i get in 2 2 hour classes a week-much less normally-(at least he doesnt charge me for our abberrant schedule,lol)-But I need to find somebody else close to me-If anybody knows a good Instructor around the Sullivan County ,NY area-gimme a holla-Cant be a couch potatoe any longer- _________________________________________________________________ With Windows Live for mobile, your contacts travel with you. http://www.windowslive.com/mobile/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_mobile_0720 08 --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "Don Ross" To: "dojang_digest" Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 22:24:01 -0400 Subject: [The_Dojang] Training beyond 40 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net The older I get [sigh - 61 now], I find that perseverance keeps Mr. calendar at bay, while indomitable spirit combats Mr. Gravity. pil seung, Don Ross --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 03:25:02 +0000 (GMT) From: shimmeringlight@optonline.net Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Training beyond 40 To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net LOLOLOL Oh That is SOOooo good !!!!!! BOWS !! master greg nabel www.GNabelmartialarts.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Don Ross Date: Monday, July 21, 2008 10:45 pm Subject: [The_Dojang] Training beyond 40 To: dojang_digest > The older I get [sigh - 61 now], I find that perseverance keeps > Mr. calendar > at bay, while indomitable spirit combats Mr. Gravity. > > pil seung, > Don Ross > _______________________________________________ > The_Dojang mailing list, 2,400 members > The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2008: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://the-dojang.net > www.gnabelmartialarts.com [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type text/x-vcard which had a name of shimmeringlight.vcf; charset=us-ascii] --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 03:37:36 +0000 (GMT) From: shimmeringlight@optonline.net Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] training past 40 years of age, attention Mr. Burns To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net HOLY COW ! I AM truely shocked and I apologize for my "assuming" ... I actually yelped out loud while reading this !!! You are truely a TKD person !!! Bows to ya !!! humbly, master greg nabel :)) ----- Original Message ----- From: Kimberley Warner Date: Monday, July 21, 2008 9:11 am Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] training past 40 years of age, attention Mr. Burns To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > I was a white belt testing for my yellow. I actually broke it > warming > up hitting a body bag, closed fist, upward punch. My wrist kind > of > bent funny and I hit the bag really hard. It was one of those > freak > accident kind of things. I thought it was just a bad sprain so > I > continued the test. Kept thinking it was getting better and > didn't > find out it was actually broken until 2 1/2 months later. I > just wore > a brace and didn't get medical attention which is probably why > it > didn't heal correctly. My instructor kept telling me I needed > to have > it x-rayed but I'm a bit stubborn and it didn't seem to hurt all > that > bad unless I used it. ;.) > > As for the test that I wasn't allowed to participate in, that > was my > surgeon's instructions. The second surgery, I had a piece of > bone and > artery removed from my femur and placed in my wrist in hopes of > increasing blood supply (an vascularized bone graft) done at > Mayo > clinic. The doctor was concerned because a misplaced kick to > the thigh > or me falling down could have shattered my femur due to the lost > integrity of the bone. He wasn't happy at all that I continued > in > martial arts class but I was very careful and like I said my > instructor > watched me like a hawk and told me if he saw me doing anything > that > would risk my recovery I would be sitting on a chair for a year. > > > On Jul 20, 2008, at 9:33 PM, shimmeringlight@optonline.net wrote: > > > Bows........ > > > > Im sorry about your wrist.... I am also upset and > concerned about > > your preparation for test ? > > > > I have to know, just what test were you taking, was the > break on > > board(s) or brick(s), and you say it was a closed fist punch ? > From > > what direction, jab, downward ? ??? > > > > Have you broken material before ? (with the same techniques?) > > > > As for my students, they are tested on their overall > performance, > > which does not mean they have to be compared to everyone else > or to > > the likes of a, "Bruce Lee" {with due respects}. > > > > Students that are handicapped, blind, paralyzed, wheel > chairs... > > can still earn their belts... It is NOT about the test > requirements, > > it is about the students philosophy and intent - their > integrity, > > their perserverence and their spirit. > > > > Were you physically ready... or was this a mishap. Were you > > conditioned in 1) Mind, 2) body, 3) spirit ??? > > > > Hope you are well, and that does not keep your from > achieving all > > you can be !!! > > > > Bows !! > > > > Master gregory nabel > > > > www.ShimmeringLight.org > > > > www.GNabelmartialarts.com > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Kimberley Warner > > Date: Sunday, July 20, 2008 5:06 pm > > Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] training past 40 years of age, > attention Mr. > > Burns > > To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > > > >> At my first testing I broke a small bone in my wrist (the > >> scaphoid) in > >> two places. It was a really, really good punch ;.). I was in a > >> cast > >> for over a year because of some complications and 2 surgeries it > >> just > >> wouldn't heal. I passed my first test with flying colors, > >> tested the > >> second time with a cast from my hand to above my elbow. One of > >> the > >> judges didn't even know I had a cast on my arm during my forms > >> until my > >> instructor told the judges I couldn't punch with my left hand in > >> the > >> sparring because of it. > >> > >> I haven't been able to test since then because the doctor just > >> doesn't > >> seem to understand the importance of testing for me. I have > >> been > >> released from his care now so I will be working hard for that > >> next > >> test. Only missed 2 classes during that year. My instructor is > >> a > >> Physicians Assistant so he watches me very closely to make sure > >> I won't > >> re-injure my wrist. > >> > >> Anyway, I can't tell you the number of people that told me to > >> quit. I > >> figure the odds of getting hurt badly in TKD class is pretty > >> small and > >> I've already done that. So getting hurt twice, the odds are in > >> my > >> favor! > >> > >> Kimberley > >> > >> > >> On Jul 20, 2008, at 2:16 PM, Mitch Theriot wrote: > >> > >>> I didnt start until a year ago at age 45. I trained all total > >> about a > >>> year and a half 25 years ago. Ditto everything Kimberly said. > >> I kind > >>> of like the little aches as they remind me that I'm not > >> sitting on my > >>> rump like most of my "old" friends... > >> _______________________________________________ > >> The_Dojang mailing list, 2,400 members > >> The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > >> Copyright 1994-2008: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > >> Standard disclaimers apply > >> Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://the-dojang.net > >> > > > > www.gnabelmartialarts.com > > > > [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type text/x-vcard which > had a > > name of shimmeringlight.vcf; charset=us-ascii] > > _______________________________________________ > > The_Dojang mailing list, 2,400 members > > The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > > Copyright 1994-2008: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > > Standard disclaimers apply > > Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://the-dojang.net > > > Kimberley Warner > AOL IM: xanthepure > _______________________________________________ > The_Dojang mailing list, 2,400 members > The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2008: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://the-dojang.net > www.gnabelmartialarts.com [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type text/x-vcard which had a name of shimmeringlight.vcf; charset=us-ascii] --__--__-- Message: 5 From: Kimberley Warner Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] training past 40 years of age, attention Mr. Burns Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 23:40:40 -0500 To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Master Nabel, No need to apologize but know that you are forgiven for your assumption. I appreciate your concern. It shows a true devotion to the art that you would question what may have seemed on the surface to be questionable or improper instruction. I have been a lurker here for a few years, reading all the posts, gleaning what information I can, afraid to respond and show my ignorance. I am a young student and feel truly fortunate to be able to learn from so many gifted instructors here. I have earned my green belt (we use a 6 color system: white, yellow, green, blue, brown, black) and hope to someday earn my black belt. Missing 2 testings has not affected my desire or dedication to achieving my black belt. Perhaps it's because I am older, but for me martial arts isn't about testing in order to get acknowledgment and a new belt every 6 months. It doesn't matter how long it takes me. Every class I learn something new. The journey has been wonderful so far and I believe it will only continue to get more interesting. There are storms that come and go in every life. Expect them. The challenge is learning to dance in the rain. Enjoy the dance! Kimberley On Jul 21, 2008, at 10:37 PM, shimmeringlight@optonline.net wrote: > HOLY COW ! > > I AM truely shocked and I apologize for my "assuming" ... I actually > yelped out loud while reading this !!! > You are truely a TKD person !!! > > Bows to ya !!! > > humbly, > master greg nabel :)) > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Kimberley Warner > Date: Monday, July 21, 2008 9:11 am > Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] training past 40 years of age, attention Mr. > Burns > To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > >> I was a white belt testing for my yellow. I actually broke it >> warming >> up hitting a body bag, closed fist, upward punch. My wrist kind >> of >> bent funny and I hit the bag really hard. It was one of those >> freak >> accident kind of things. I thought it was just a bad sprain so >> I >> continued the test. Kept thinking it was getting better and >> didn't >> find out it was actually broken until 2 1/2 months later. I >> just wore >> a brace and didn't get medical attention which is probably why >> it >> didn't heal correctly. My instructor kept telling me I needed >> to have >> it x-rayed but I'm a bit stubborn and it didn't seem to hurt all >> that >> bad unless I used it. ;.) >> >> As for the test that I wasn't allowed to participate in, that >> was my >> surgeon's instructions. The second surgery, I had a piece of >> bone and >> artery removed from my femur and placed in my wrist in hopes of >> increasing blood supply (an vascularized bone graft) done at >> Mayo >> clinic. The doctor was concerned because a misplaced kick to >> the thigh >> or me falling down could have shattered my femur due to the lost >> integrity of the bone. He wasn't happy at all that I continued >> in >> martial arts class but I was very careful and like I said my >> instructor >> watched me like a hawk and told me if he saw me doing anything >> that >> would risk my recovery I would be sitting on a chair for a year. >> >> >> On Jul 20, 2008, at 9:33 PM, shimmeringlight@optonline.net wrote: >> >>> Bows........ >>> >>> Im sorry about your wrist.... I am also upset and >> concerned about >>> your preparation for test ? >>> >>> I have to know, just what test were you taking, was the >> break on >>> board(s) or brick(s), and you say it was a closed fist punch ? >> From >>> what direction, jab, downward ? ??? >>> >>> Have you broken material before ? (with the same techniques?) >>> >>> As for my students, they are tested on their overall >> performance, >>> which does not mean they have to be compared to everyone else >> or to >>> the likes of a, "Bruce Lee" {with due respects}. >>> >>> Students that are handicapped, blind, paralyzed, wheel >> chairs... >>> can still earn their belts... It is NOT about the test >> requirements, >>> it is about the students philosophy and intent - their >> integrity, >>> their perserverence and their spirit. >>> >>> Were you physically ready... or was this a mishap. Were you >>> conditioned in 1) Mind, 2) body, 3) spirit ??? >>> >>> Hope you are well, and that does not keep your from >> achieving all >>> you can be !!! >>> >>> Bows !! >>> >>> Master gregory nabel >>> >>> www.ShimmeringLight.org >>> >>> www.GNabelmartialarts.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: Kimberley Warner >>> Date: Sunday, July 20, 2008 5:06 pm >>> Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] training past 40 years of age, >> attention Mr. >>> Burns >>> To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >>> >>>> At my first testing I broke a small bone in my wrist (the >>>> scaphoid) in >>>> two places. It was a really, really good punch ;.). I was in a >>>> cast >>>> for over a year because of some complications and 2 surgeries it >>>> just >>>> wouldn't heal. I passed my first test with flying colors, >>>> tested the >>>> second time with a cast from my hand to above my elbow. One of >>>> the >>>> judges didn't even know I had a cast on my arm during my forms >>>> until my >>>> instructor told the judges I couldn't punch with my left hand in >>>> the >>>> sparring because of it. >>>> >>>> I haven't been able to test since then because the doctor just >>>> doesn't >>>> seem to understand the importance of testing for me. I have >>>> been >>>> released from his care now so I will be working hard for that >>>> next >>>> test. Only missed 2 classes during that year. My instructor is >>>> a >>>> Physicians Assistant so he watches me very closely to make sure >>>> I won't >>>> re-injure my wrist. >>>> >>>> Anyway, I can't tell you the number of people that told me to >>>> quit. I >>>> figure the odds of getting hurt badly in TKD class is pretty >>>> small and >>>> I've already done that. So getting hurt twice, the odds are in >>>> my >>>> favor! >>>> >>>> Kimberley >>>> >>>> >>>> On Jul 20, 2008, at 2:16 PM, Mitch Theriot wrote: >>>> >>>>> I didnt start until a year ago at age 45. I trained all total >>>> about a >>>>> year and a half 25 years ago. Ditto everything Kimberly said. >>>> I kind >>>>> of like the little aches as they remind me that I'm not >>>> sitting on my >>>>> rump like most of my "old" friends... >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> The_Dojang mailing list, 2,400 members >>>> The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net >>>> Copyright 1994-2008: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource >>>> Standard disclaimers apply >>>> Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://the-dojang.net >>>> >>> >>> www.gnabelmartialarts.com >>> >>> [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type text/x-vcard which >> had a >>> name of shimmeringlight.vcf; charset=us-ascii] >>> _______________________________________________ >>> The_Dojang mailing list, 2,400 members >>> The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net >>> Copyright 1994-2008: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource >>> Standard disclaimers apply >>> Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://the-dojang.net >>> >> Kimberley Warner >> AOL IM: xanthepure >> _______________________________________________ >> The_Dojang mailing list, 2,400 members >> The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net >> Copyright 1994-2008: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource >> Standard disclaimers apply >> Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://the-dojang.net >> > > www.gnabelmartialarts.com > > [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type text/x-vcard which had a > name of shimmeringlight.vcf; charset=us-ascii] > _______________________________________________ > The_Dojang mailing list, 2,400 members > The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2008: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://the-dojang.net > Kimberley Warner AOL IM: xanthepure --__--__-- Message: 6 From: michael tomlinson To: Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] To 40 and BEYOND! Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 15:10:02 +0000 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Robert,, Excellent post...reading these words about never giving up, training even when you have some physical restraints and enjoying martial arts with your family in my opinion is what it's all about...these words have charged my battery for the day...plus..I just turned 50 and when we go to a certain movie theater here in Florida an older lady at the ticket window always squints her eyes at me and says..."are you a senior", I always smile and say " I sure feel like a senior", and she always gives me the discount!! Which I promptly spend on the popcorn!! Michael Tomlinson > From: robwood@live.com > To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 14:16:39 -0500 > Subject: [The_Dojang] To 40 and BEYOND! > > To begin with my 19 year old son and I went to see the Dark Knight (good > movie) and the young lady behind the ticket counter issued me a Senior Ticket > w/o asking me my age (OUCH!); my son was happy as he was buying the tickets > ;). I am 47 years old and have been training in TKD for over 4 years now. I > was an Air Force Security Policeman for over 20 years and aside for “hand to > hand combat” and “Silent sentry removal” I picked up a little of this (HKD) > and a little of that (Karate) over the years. My son and I started training > about two years after I retired for some “father and son” time. Today my > family (wife and son) are martial artists (TKD and Tai Chi). My knees (three > surgeries between the two) do not like jumpy spiny kicks; however I do my > best. Come 4 Aug 08 we, my family, will begin teaching classes at local > fitness center. The journey has strengthened us as a family physically, > emotionally, and spiritually. My advice to anyone who refuses to begin > because of their age is missing an enriching experience, besides I looked all > over my body and have not found an expiration date. I guess what I am trying > to say is age is a fact; old is an attitude. in His service, Rob > Wood Knowing is not enough, you must apply...Willing is not enough, you must > do. -- Bruce LeeI am careful not confuse excellence with perfection. > Excellence I can reach for; perfection is God's business -- Michael J. Fox > _________________________________________________________________ > Use video conversation to talk face-to-face with Windows Live Messenger. > http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/connect_your_way.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_ > Refresh_messenger_video_072008 > _______________________________________________ > The_Dojang mailing list, 2,400 members > The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2008: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://the-dojang.net _________________________________________________________________ Use video conversation to talk face-to-face with Windows Live Messenger. http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/connect_your_way.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_ Refresh_messenger_video_072008 --__--__-- Message: 7 From: "Ferdinand \"Fernando\" Perez" To: Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Specific Form At A Specific Rank Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 10:30:26 -0500 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Normally, at 1st Dan. -----Original Message----- From: Chris & Cindy Callahan [mailto:fate1@peoplepc.com] Sent: Saturday, July 12, 2008 9:51 PM To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Specific Form At A Specific Rank With this most recent talk about what rank Koryo is taught, I thought I would express the arrangement that I was brought up with. It shows what form we were taught while at a specific rank. 0 Gup - Kibon Poomse IL Jang (basic form - 1) 10 Gup - Kibon Poomse E Jang (basic form - 2) 9 Gup - Kibon Poomse SAM Jang (basic form - 3) 8 Gup - Taegeuk IL Jang 7 Gup - Taegeuk E Jang 6 Gup - Taegeuk SAM Jang 5 Gup - Taegeuk SA Jang 4 Gup - Taegeuk OH Jang 3 Gup - Taegeuk YOOK Jang 2 Gup - Taegeuk CHIL Jang 1 Gup - Taegeuk PAL Jang 1 Dan - Koryo 2 Dan - Keumgang etc. Curious how others differ. _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 2,400 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2008: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://the-dojang.net --__--__-- Message: 8 From: Ray To: The_Dojang Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 13:30:36 -0700 Subject: [The_Dojang] Beijing Quick Guide Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Beijing 2008 - Quick Guide: Taekwondo Eurosport - Tue, 22 Jul Depending on how we look at it, taekwondo is either 43 or 2000 years old. The sport got its today's name and rules in 1957, but already ancient Korean tombs show pictures and drawings of men fighting without arms. Overview Taekwondo is one of many Korean martial art forms dating back to the early 20th century and it soon became the most prominent. Using hands and feet to overcome an opponent, the sport is perhaps best known for the combination of kick movements that are often seen as its trademark. It is thought that the sport developed from other Asian martial arts such as Chinese boxing, and Japanese karate. Taekwondo, meaning "the way of kicking and striking" was chosen as the definitive Korean martial art in 1955 by martial art leaders with the intention to promote it internationally. The World Taekwondo Federation was formed in 1973 and the first world championships were held soon after with it soon becoming Korea's national sport. Structure Men and women each compete in four different weight classes ranging from 80kg and above in men to below 49kg in women. They compete in a single elimination tournament with the finalists battling for gold and silver. The bronze is decided by a complicated system where the losing semi-finalists compete against each other and the competitors defeated by the finalists take each other on in a pool system, with the two winners then facing each other for bronze. The bouts take place over three non-stop rounds of three minutes with the winner the competitor with most points at the end of the three rounds. Points are scored with each legitimate blow and one deducted for each penalty. Despite WTF using many forms of competition, only sparring is used in the Olympics. --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2008: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest