Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2008 02:48:21 +0200 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 15 #207 - 11 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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Copyright 1994-2008: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Korean Martial Arts. 2,400 members. See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Today's Topics: 1. Re: progression of technique (Ray) 2. RE: progression of technique (Thomas Gordon) 3. Re: Fw: Grappling video (Jeff Hazen) 4. Good Hapkido move (Hapkido) 5. Summer camp (The_Dojang) 6. Abdallah and olympic TKD (David Weller) 7. RE: Fw: Grappling video (michael tomlinson) 8. Re: Abdallah and olympic TKD (Jye nigma) 9. Olympic TKD (Gordon Okerstrom) 10. Re: Fw: Grappling video (Ray) 11. Re: Texas Ranger Museum and Chuck (Jye nigma) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: Ray To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] progression of technique Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2008 18:03:53 -0700 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Not all a response to your question, but something I noticed the other day that made me think "I'm certainly not doing that!". You know how mma fighters will sell advertising on the shorts they wear into the ring as well as on the shirts they wear before and after a fight. Logs for companies like TapouT are frequently seen on shorts, shirts, ring posts, banners, etc. There is one ad that is commonly seen, but I sure wouldn't want it...!!! Across the backside of the shorts of many mma-ers is an ad for Condom Depot (http://www.condomdepot.com). Now... I might be ok with wearing one of their Condom Depot logos/ads on a T-shirt or on the FRONT of my shorts, but where you always see it is across their ass. !!!! So there is this guy on top, in another guy's guard, doing his ground- n-pound or looking for a submission, but all you see is the Condom Depot ad across the ass-end of the guy's shorts. Well placed for visibility, I guess. But they'd have to pay me a big bunch of $$ to wear a condom ad across my butt. i'm not sayin, i'm just sayin... :) Ray On Jul 31, 2008, at 3:20 AM, freddie bishop wrote: > My question is: have you made your Korean martial art conform to the > mma period? --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "Thomas Gordon" To: Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] progression of technique Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2008 21:22:13 -0500 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Pretty funny about the ad on the back of the shorts of MMA fighters. The MMA/BJJ "north-south" scenario is already bad enough - having one of them wearing shorts like that is certainly a compromising situation. In regards to making our KMA/TMA conform the MMA era, I avoid the "flavor of the month" kinda fads but looks like MMA is here to stay. Not sure what part of MMA is supposed to be "martial art" - granted, it's a fun sport and requires a lot of technique and forethought of upcoming possible scenarios. And a great workout! Most people teaching MMA way, way over focus on the ground game. In my opinion, a good two hour MMA class would be broken down into four 30 minute segments. 1 - Warm-up, stretch, work-out, & stretch (break for water) 2 - Stand up portion with kicks & strikes (break for water) 3 - Closing the gap, sprawl, & takedowns (break for water) 4 - Ground work and escaping the ground With some possible slight modifications, a proficient TMA instructor could teach the first three portions. While many TMA (traditional martial arts) folks don't care for MMA, it has been good to bring in the fairly elusive 18-35 year old male market. Of course, for school owners, that's the market that typically doesn't have a lot of disposable income. LOL! Thomas Gordon Florida --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2008 18:53:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Hazen To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Fw: Grappling video Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Jn: BTW, how extensive is hapkido's ground game? Sinmoo's ground game is primarily "how to get back up on your feet", though there are some escape/counter techniques, like how to avoid being put into the classic bjj armbar, etc. There are also some 'from a seated position' techniques, but I don't think that's the angle you're shooting for, nor are they as prolific as the techniques available to you when you're standing. I believe the idea is that if you were not the one to start the fight, your attacker will be (a) quite a bit larger than you, (b) will be armed, (c) will have friends helping him out, or (d) intoxicated. For a, b, or c, I'd much rather be mobile and on my feet... For (d), why get dirty when you don't have to? ;-) ~Jeff --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2008 18:07:25 -0700 From: Hapkido To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Good Hapkido move Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Good Hapkido move at the end... http://s47.photobucket.com/albums/f158/aconlp/?action=view¤t=Nevertrustawoman.flv --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 07:58:53 -0700 From: The_Dojang To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Summer camp Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Stanford University Summer Camp August 2, 2008 (Dojangs who send athletes will receive a certificate of recognition from the Stanford University Athletics Department) Stanford University International Taekwondo Summer Camp August 9th-14th High intensity training for Red and Black Belts ages 12-17. Featuring Coaches and athletes from the Taiwan National Sports University, with assistance from U.S. National Team members and the Stanford Taekwondo staff. Featured Camp Coach: Mr. Ha, Yong-sung (Head Coach Taiwan National Sports University, former Head Coach Korean National College of Physical Education) Training 3x daily (strength/speed/explosiveness, technical refinement, sparring/strategy/situational drilling) Educational Workshops (goal-setting/visualization, college preparedness) Fun (Beach Trip, Movie Night, BBQ, Swimming and more) All lodging, meals, training and activities for one price. Great for serious competitors wanting to move their game to the international level. Spend a week with other highly motivated young athletes from across the United States on the beautiful Stanford campus. Website: http://tkd.stanford.edu/summercamp For More Information E-mail: stanfordtkd@yahoo.com Call: (408)674-2370 $100.00 Discount to all 2007 and 2008 Junior National Gold medalists and Junior Team members! (14-17 Black Belt Division - USAT and AAU) --__--__-- Message: 6 From: David Weller Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 10:18:29 -0500 To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Abdallah and olympic TKD Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net It is no wonder our art gets no respect. What an absolutely boring, awful match. I've seen tiny-tots in the 5 and under division fight harder. Here's the recipe: Bounce around for 30- 40 seconds. Throw one, maybe 2 kicks. Repeat until the fans have fallen asleep. Neither person deserves a win in my book, simply because they did not fight. The only part of the match that even bore a vague resemblance to a fight was the "sudden death" part of the match, but even that was an awful joke. I was rather looking forward to the Olympics, but if theses are the "elite of the elite" in TKD fighting, I'll probably be in for a disappointment. Pretty sad. dave weller PS. it DID look like abdallah got the first point in the last round, but by that time, who could expect the judges to be awake and alert after being hypnotized by that god-awful bouncing around for the 1st 3 rounds? On Aug 3, 2008, at 7:48 PM, the_dojang- request@martialartsresource.net wrote: > Supporters say Abdallah has been robbed of her Olympic dream and > are urging > Tae Kwon Do athletes and enthusiasts to turn their backs just > before Lopez > competes in Beijing. --__--__-- Message: 7 From: michael tomlinson To: Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Fw: Grappling video Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 16:00:35 +0000 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I have to admit that Hapkido ground techniques are pretty basic stuff...pretty good stuff.. just not very extensive...but..it is better than nothing and they are fine for most self defense situations dealing with someone who isn't a UFC fighter..the biggest problem I've seen is that the joint locks and chokes in the old KHA curriculum and Sin Moo curriculum are very sound they just don't focus on the importance of body position for power and application on the ground..for me personally it's not a problem...I wrestled for many years and have also coached wrestling so in my Hapkido classes I incorporated wrestling drills, positions, concepts, etc. into our Hapkido curriculum..for instance a "kimora" is just another name for a Hapkido joint lock we practice all the time..same with a keylock, arm bar etc..I have never seen a move or position in BJJ or MMA that I have not seen and or practiced one way or another in freestyle wrestling or Hapkido...so the thing for me was to visually recognize the movements needed and then correlate the existing concepts and positions from wrestling into the Hapkido curriculum...when you boil ground fighting down to the essentials there are basically 6 to 8 positions that everyone ends up in and I learned this from an old wrestling coach from Ohio State before we had names such as the guard, mount, etc..whether you are 10 years old in your back yard or you are an advanced MMA fighter...what we do is get in those positions and learn the quickest and most failsafe techniques to changing your position and getting the person in a disadvantage to you...this involves takedowns, sprawls, and all the positions I'm sure you folks have seen on the MMA fight scene some of the things we focus on much much more in my HKD classes is gun disarming knife techniques improvised weapons and falling and rolling...I am lucky to have a group of students who are regular working class guys and gals with families who are in their 30's 40's 50's and 60's so the dream of going into the UFC and fighting someone is non existent...we focus more on the stuff we see on the news instead of the stuff we see in the octagon. for instance, last week we focused a whole class on gun disarming from across a counter top when someone has the weapon down low at your belly resting on a counter top, we also did a ton of gun disarmings from different "gangster" positions,...nothing wrong with ground fighting..I love it.....but when you get a little older you tend to see the whole forest instead of that one really bad ass tree.... Michael Tomlinson _________________________________________________________________ Your PC, mobile phone, and online services work together like never before. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/108587394/direct/01/ --__--__-- Message: 8 Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 09:19:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Jye nigma Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Abdallah and olympic TKD To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I agree... I couldn't even sit through the whole match. It was sooooo boring and awful. *Kick-kick grab, kick kick grab....* sickening. Jye --- On Mon, 8/4/08, David Weller wrote: From: David Weller Subject: [The_Dojang] Abdallah and olympic TKD To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Monday, August 4, 2008, 11:18 AM It is no wonder our art gets no respect. What an absolutely boring, awful match. I've seen tiny-tots in the 5 and under division fight harder. Here's the recipe: Bounce around for 30- 40 seconds. Throw one, maybe 2 kicks. Repeat until the fans have fallen asleep. Neither person deserves a win in my book, simply because they did not fight. The only part of the match that even bore a vague resemblance to a fight was the "sudden death" part of the match, but even that was an awful joke. I was rather looking forward to the Olympics, but if theses are the "elite of the elite" in TKD fighting, I'll probably be in for a disappointment. Pretty sad. dave weller PS. it DID look like abdallah got the first point in the last round, but by that time, who could expect the judges to be awake and alert after being hypnotized by that god-awful bouncing around for the 1st 3 rounds? On Aug 3, 2008, at 7:48 PM, the_dojang- request@martialartsresource.net wrote: > Supporters say Abdallah has been robbed of her Olympic dream and > are urging > Tae Kwon Do athletes and enthusiasts to turn their backs just > before Lopez > competes in Beijing. _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 2,400 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2008: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://the-dojang.net --__--__-- Message: 9 From: "Gordon Okerstrom" To: Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 12:04:31 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Olympic TKD Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net The arms down bit is so bad that when they reached behind to pull down their uniform top while facing the opponent, no attack was initiated. I won't be watching this POOR example of a "martial art" at the Olympics. -I'm ashamed. Gordon Okerstrom --__--__-- Message: 10 From: Ray To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Fw: Grappling video Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 12:45:29 -0700 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Not Coach Casey Fredericks by any chance? Ray On Aug 4, 2008, at 9:00 AM, michael tomlinson wrote: > I learned this from an old wrestling coach from Ohio State... --__--__-- Message: 11 Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 14:49:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Jye nigma Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Texas Ranger Museum and Chuck To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I'd love for my 10 year old to meet him because he for some strange reason loves that Walker Show. Now I have 2 nephews who are wild as hell, and I turned on their favorite cartoons and they were still talking and wrestling and stuff and I turned on Walker for the first time, I kid you not, no one said one word! It was like they were so into it that they didn't wanted to break from it. I'd love to take my son to a tournament one day and Chuck Norris is there I just want to see how my son would act....lol. probably pass out...lol.     Jye --- On Fri, 7/25/08, Ken McDonough wrote: From: Ken McDonough Subject: [The_Dojang] Texas Ranger Museum and Chuck To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Friday, July 25, 2008, 3:48 PM Speaking of martial arts, I visited the Texas Ranger Museum in Waco, Texas. While there Chuck Norris was visiting. Wow, what a guy. I purchased the T-Shirt he was hawking. On the T-Shirt it showed Chuck's range of emotions, i.e., anger, laughter, passion, mild amusement, depression, joy, and pity. In Chuck's case-- he only has one facial expression covering all of these human emotions.   That's Chuck. Wish I could be like him.   Ciao,   Big K   Down in Big Texas _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 2,400 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2008: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://the-dojang.net --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2008: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest