Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 02:48:21 +0200 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 15 #257 - 7 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Today's Topics: 1. Re: Tiger Schulmann (zisheged@aol.com) 2. Re: Re: Schools (Ray) 3. Re: Re: Tiger Schulmann (Jye nigma) 4. RE: Good teachers and bad teachers (aburrese@aol.com) 5. A Perfect World (Wood, Robert L Civ USAF AMC 43 SFS/S5B) 6. Re: A Perfect World (Jye nigma) 7. Bartlett retires (The_Dojang) --__--__-- Message: 1 To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 20:03:39 -0400 From: zisheged@aol.com Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Tiger Schulmann Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I've visited about 20 Tiger Schulmann schools. There are some truths that seem universal about all his schools. They are all attractive dojos. They are all well equipped with large dressing areas. ALL the instructors are physically fit. In fact, he was sued recently for firing an instructor who was overweight. Is this a "REAL" school? I say yes. Schulmann places a very high emphasis on conditioning. He rarely mentions lineage. It is interesting that Schulmann himself was a Kyokushin Champion and his style clearly emanted from Mas Oyama. Schulmann's schools are definetly an American contrivence. Contracts, high fee's etc. I'm interested in everyone's opinion on Tiger Schulmann Schools. Zeishe --__--__-- Message: 2 From: Ray To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Re: Schools Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 17:22:38 -0700 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net The ITF has three or four (or five?) large splinter groups and the WTF has more politics? ??? Ray On Sep 21, 2008, at 7:16 PM, Master Munyon wrote: > I too have done both WTF and ITF. I did Moo Duk Kwan TKD and ITF > over the > last 10 plus years. I had good instructors in both. The politics > however > are way different. WTF had more politics and cost more money. That > is only > from my experience. --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 19:20:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Jye nigma Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Re: Tiger Schulmann To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I have a friend who used to go to TS years ago. Basically the particular school in Bethel, CT where I was definitely trained their students to be able to fight, but there were other things that turned me off. 1) my friend told me how instructors cussed in class, 2) they seemed to produce some cocky mofos 3) my friend dislocated his shoulder in a tournament, the TS instructor attempted to pop in back in and broke it or something like that. From there they wouldn't admit to any wrong doing and while my friend was out of training, they continued his fees because of the contract. I can remember another guy I went to school with who also went to that same school and he was cocky thinking he was the UFC....lol.   Coming from a traditional background I didn't like that stuff. GM Lee wouldn't even allow whistling in class so you know cussing is waaaaaaay outta the question...lol. --- On Tue, 9/23/08, zisheged@aol.com wrote: I'm interested in everyone's opinion on Tiger Schulmann Schools. Zeishe --__--__-- Message: 4 To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 13:01:52 -0400 From: aburrese@aol.com Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: Good teachers and bad teachers Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Jere posted: You hit the nail on the head Dave. There are 2 kinds of martial arts. Good teachers and bad teachers. All traditional martial arts have value if one learns the complete art. *********************** Very well said.? Great post, Alain www.burrese.com --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 13:30:23 -0500 From: "Wood, Robert L Civ USAF AMC 43 SFS/S5B" To: Subject: [The_Dojang] A Perfect World Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Jye, I understand your point, however we know that there is no perfect answer. I do not advocate the lowering of standards or compromising one's integrity. I agree, I would rather run an after school program with tenuous ties to the martial arts curriculum and have a no-nonsense program for those who would commit to it. But, that is in a perfect world... Robert L. Wood, Civ AMC 43 SFS/S5B --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 13:17:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Jye nigma Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] A Perfect World To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I hear ya, perfect world and perfect society where people aren't afraid of working and spending time to actually learn something.   Jye --- On Wed, 9/24/08, Wood, Robert L Civ USAF AMC 43 SFS/S5B wrote: I understand your point, however we know that there is no perfect answer.  I do not advocate the lowering  of standards or compromising one's integrity.  I agree, I would rather run an after school program with tenuous ties to the martial arts curriculum and have a no-nonsense program for those who would commit to it.  But, that is in a perfect world... --__--__-- Message: 7 Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 14:22:20 -0700 From: The_Dojang To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Bartlett retires Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Tal Moriah Named to Replace David Bartlett on Pan Am Championships Team Bill Kellick - USA Taekwondo September 22, 2008 Due to coaching obligations with the U.S. Army's World Class Athlete Program, men's lightweight David Bartlett (Colorado Springs, Colo.) has retired from the sport of taekwondo and will relinquish his spot on the Pan American Taekwondo Championships Team. Tal Moriah (Houston, Texas) will take Bartlett's position on the U.S. Team that will compete in Caguas, Puerto Rico, Oct. 3-5. Bartlett, 28, won the 2008 World Military Championships and is a four-time U.S. national champion (1999, 2002, 2003 & 2006). "A few months ago I was approached with the opportunity to coach the Taekwondo athletes in the Army's World Class Athlete Program and I accepted," said Bartlett. "I had absolutely no idea that I would be giving up my dream as a competitor at the same time. I was basing my decision off the fact that for the past three years I have been training as an athlete/coach. I had all intentions while enduring one of the toughest training camps in my taekwondo career to make the Pan Am Team and to compete at the Championships in Caguas, Puerto Rico. Upon completion of the selection camp I attended some meetings within the Army only to find out that my decision to coach was only to coach and that was that. Unfortunately I am announcing my retirement as a competitor in the sport of taekwondo. "My next adventure stands before me, as one day I may place many soldier athletes on the Olympic team. Currently I have notified USA Taekwondo of my military obligation and my commitment to my family as they have always come first, and that I will resign my spot on the national team as a competing athlete. I have been very fortunate and blessed to be able to still attend the 2008 Pan Am Championships as part of the staff delegation to support and help team USA finish first as a whole. I have been absolutely supported by USAT and the U.S Army to pursue my coaching obligation and commitment to my country. I look forward to learning and observing from our National Team coaches as they have proven to be the best in the world." "It is with great sadness that we have accepted the retirement of David Bartlett from our National Team programs and our Pan American Championship Team," said USAT CEO David Askinas. "David Bartlett was not only a world class athlete but he embodied the true fighting spirit we want to see in our National Team athletes. He always came to fight. David represents so much of what is good about our sport and our country. His skill, determination, physical conditioning and heart were evident for all to see. His performances in the 2007 World Championships in Beijing were inspiring. I cite his comeback win against a very good fighter from Spain as one of the best matches I have ever watched in this sport. Although David Bartlett the fighter will be missed, we now look forward to David's development as a high level coach and expect him to soon be producing world class fighters for our national team pipeline. Thank you David for all you have done for taekwondo and all you are about to do." --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2008: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest