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Re: 10h dans (Anthony) 2. RE: 10h dans (Rick Clark) 3. Re: 10h dans (Ray) 4. Re: 10h dans (Ray) 5. Re: 10h dans (Ray) 6. Re: 10h dans (Rick Clark) 7. RE: 10h dans (michael tomlinson) 8. Controlling Power (Gordon Okerstrom) 9. Vote (Jason & Nicole Swanson) 10. GO VOTE (Gordon Okerstrom) 11. Re: Controlling Power (Jye nigma) 12. Re: 10h dans (Ray) 13. Video clip: freesparring (Jye nigma) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "Anthony" To: Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] 10h dans Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 18:15:37 -0600 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Great grandmaster Kyo Yoon Lee founder of Han Moo Kwan one of the Kwan's and he holds a 10 DAN and still sits on as 1 st generation president and holds several official positions at the kukkiwon www.boylestkd.com Thank you bows Master Anthony Boyle US Central Taekwondo Assocation Usa Han Moo Kwan Assocation US Moo duk kwan Kansas ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 6:45 AM Subject: [The_Dojang] 10h dans > The Kukkiwon has only awarded four standard 10th dan to the following men: > Byong Lo Lee, Chong Soo Hong, Il Sup Chun and Nam Suk Lee. The WTF has > also awarded two "honorary" Kukkiwon 10th dan, both to individuals who > were members of the IOC. The WTF, WTF Member National Associations and the > Kukkiwon issue many honorary dans to political and non-political persons > who make a contribution to the growth of taekwondo.? It took a long time > to find out who got these 10th dans. Strangely though, the executive > committee of the kukkiwon?outranks these 10th dans as far as decision > making is concerned. the 10th dans are held in high veneration but do not > have specific duties. In fact, I'm not sure if any of these 10th dans are > still alive. > > Zeishe > _______________________________________________ > The_Dojang mailing list, 2,400 members > The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2008: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://the-dojang.net --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2008 20:38:32 -0500 From: "Rick Clark" Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] 10h dans To: Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hi I don't know if it's just me and my weird way of thinking but......I have found it interesting over the years how the KMA has tried to create distance between themselves and the Japanese/Okinawan martial arts. In the early 60's I was told by Son Duk Son that there was no such thing as a 10th dan in KMA, they used 9 to 9, TKD was NOT Japanese and did not follow their system. Then sometime back I began to see 10th dan being used in the KMA and have always wondered if a 5th dan under the old 9 to 9 system was automatically a 6th dan in the 10 to 10 system. Then the KMA started to use a red belt rather than brown. I followed that tradition for a "bit" until Wally Jay came to my school to teach and was wearing a red belt and commented to one of my kup grades that it was funny to see someone of his age as a red belt. So I went back to using brown rather than red, it struck me as odd that the KMA would use a red belt for a kup grade when a red belt in Japanese and Okinawan arts was used by the very high dan grade. I have always wondered if that was meant as a poke in the eye to the Japanese and Okinawans........ Ah well - don't want to spark something I can't keep up with, leaving for Ireland on Thursday to teach. Rick Clark www.ao-denkou-kai.org --__--__-- Message: 3 From: Ray To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] 10h dans Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 17:18:52 -0800 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Do you know which positions? Ray On Nov 3, 2008, at 4:15 PM, Anthony wrote: > Great grandmaster Kyo Yoon Lee founder of Han Moo Kwan one of the > Kwan's and he holds a 10 DAN and still sits on as 1 st generation > president and holds several official positions at the > kukkiwon www.boylestkd.com > Thank you > bows > > Master Anthony Boyle > US Central Taekwondo Assocation > Usa Han Moo Kwan Assocation > US Moo duk kwan Kansas --__--__-- Message: 4 From: Ray To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] 10h dans Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 18:48:32 -0800 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Interestingly it was 11 years ago last month that I was sitting in a Kukkiwon office speaking with Kukkiwon VP, KIM Bong Sik. You may recognize his name as one of the first grads of the first Korean Karate kwan. From our The Modern History of Taekwondo, by Won Sik Kang and Kyong Myong Lee.. "Graduates of the Chung Do Kwan were: (1) Yoo Ung Jun, (2) Son Duk Sung, (3) Uhm Woon Kyu, (4) Hyun Jong Myun, (5) Min Woon Sik, (6) Han In Sook, (7) Jung Young Taek, (8) Kang Suh Chong, (9) Baek Joon Ki, (10) Nam Tae Hi, (11) Ko Jae Chun, (12) Kwak Kuen Sik, (13) Kim Suk Kyu, (14) Han Cha Kyo, (15) Jo Sung Il, (16) Lee Sa Man, (17) Rhee Jhoon Goo (Jhoon Rhee), and (18) Kim Bong Sik." As recently as 1997 the Kukkiwon was not interested in promoting anyone to the rank of 10th Dan, but they did want to do something special for those that led the way, the Kwan founders, etc. The Kukkiwon was looking for ideas and Col. KIM asked for input. As we have seen his traditional KMA view was overruled. In my mind it is completely related to "keeping up with the Jones's". When people with little knowledge of the martial arts see two instructors, one a 9th Dan and one a 10th Dan they reasonably assume that the 10th Dan is a higher rank than the 9th Dan. Remember the first book that Chuck Norris published? In it he attempts to show that a 1st gup in Tang Soo Do is the same level as a 1st Dan in Karate. How? Because a 9th Dan in TSD was equivalent to a 10th Dan in Karate. Somewhat similar things have occurred in some Hapkido orgs. Ray --__--__-- Message: 5 From: Ray To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] 10h dans Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 19:00:09 -0800 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Actually I think that red was used before brown, and brown was thrown in later. The very first belt colors used matched those of Taegukki, the Korean national flag; white, blue, red, black. Later we saw green and blue and brown. And yellow and orange. Purple. Camo. Tuti-fruity. Stripes. Polka dots. Double-wide. Single-wrap. etc. etc. Ray On Nov 3, 2008, at 5:38 PM, Rick wrote: > Then the KMA started to use a red belt rather than brown. --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2008 05:36:45 -0600 (CST) From: Rick Clark Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] 10h dans To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hi Ray, On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 10:00 PM, Ray wrote: > Actually I think that red was used before brown, and brown was thrown > in later. When I was in Korea 69-70 they were using brown belts. I did not see red used till the late 80's early 90's I would guess. But then in Calif perhaps it was different. In Son Duk Son's organization back in the early 60's they were not using red belts, they had brown, I am not sure but I don't think they ever went to red. It's been a long time since I have been around any of them, late 80's I would guess. > The very first belt colors used matched those of Taegukki, the Korean > national flag; white, blue, red, black.  Later we saw green and blue > and brown.  And yellow and orange.  Purple.  Camo.  Tuti-fruity.  > Stripes.  Polka dots.  Double-wide.  Single-wrap.  etc.  etc. Camo was added by the ATA after doing some market research, I am told. They were looking for a new belt color and tested what the kids liked and this was about the time of GI Joe - so they used camao. Also, ATA was the first I know of that used the single wrap, but again that's the first one I was aware of using such a belt. Rick Clark www.ao-denkou-kai.org ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Ray On Nov 3, 2008, at 5:38 PM, Rick wrote: > Then the KMA started to use a red belt rather than brown. --__--__-- Message: 7 From: michael tomlinson To: Dojang Digest Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] 10h dans Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 13:07:21 +0000 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I'm currently working on a purple spandex belt made out of a blend of spandex and kevlar...it will be a "glow in the dark" bright purple for that awesome ninja in the dark demo everyone wants do do....it will also have several compartments sewn in for your keys, wallet, and that special little debbie oatmeal cookie and we are also working on creating a fold out cup holder...that will be sold seperately and be fully attachable to your "spadex Ninja all in one karate belt".....we also have our research and development department working on a "karate R&R belt" so when you are done with your workout it will actually fold out to make a hammock!!! Should be in production the second Tuesday of next week.... Michael Tomlinson> From: thedojang@sbcglobal.net> To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net> Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] 10h dans> Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 19:00:09 -0800> > Actually I think that red was used before brown, and brown was thrown > in later.> > The very first belt colors used matched those of Taegukki, the Korean > national flag; white, blue, red, black. Later we saw green and blue > and brown. And yellow and orange. Purple. Camo. Tuti-fruity. > Stripes. Polka dots. Double-wide. Single-wrap. etc. etc.> > Ray> > > On Nov 3, 2008, at 5:38 PM, Rick wrote:> > > Then the KMA started to use a red belt rather than brown.> _______________________________________________> The_Dojang mailing list, 2,400 members> The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net> Copyright 1994-2008: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource> Standard disclaimers apply > Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://the-dojang.net _________________________________________________________________ Get more out of the Web. Learn 10 hidden secrets of Windows Live. http://windowslive.com/connect/post/jamiethomson.spaces.live.com-Blog-cns!550 F681DAD532637!5295.entry?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_domore_092008 --__--__-- Message: 8 From: "Gordon Okerstrom" To: Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 08:56:43 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] Controlling Power Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Ah. Michael. sigh. That was hilarious! Anyway, I have a student that was a pro football player 10 years ago. Michael, remember Mr. Lundy? Anyway, he has great speed and awareness but, is having difficulty controlling his power on impact. Does anyone have any drills or training ideas for improving the speedy tap that we have come to appreciate when our instructors could have cut us in two yet they only just tapped us with their kick? Gordon Okerstrom --__--__-- Message: 9 From: "Jason & Nicole Swanson" To: Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 12:51:07 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] Vote Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Regardless of your politics, go vote today. Jason Swanson --__--__-- Message: 10 From: "Gordon Okerstrom" To: Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 14:34:51 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] GO VOTE Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Like Al Capone said: "Vote early, vote often." Gordon Okerstrom --__--__-- Message: 11 Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 13:00:02 -0800 (PST) From: Jye nigma Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Controlling Power To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Do you all run accuracy drills? If not, partner up and slowly use your kicks strikes etc to come within inches of a target. Doing it slowly reinforces control. Then use moderate speed, then after practicing for a while do it quickly. After those drills, do the same type of drill except you now tap the target, slow, moderate, and fast. This is pretty much how I learned. So really at the end your student should be able to hit fast with little to no power, or fast with power now.   Jye --- On Tue, 11/4/08, Gordon Okerstrom wrote: From: Gordon Okerstrom Subject: [The_Dojang] Controlling Power To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Tuesday, November 4, 2008, 9:56 AM Ah. Michael. sigh. That was hilarious! Anyway, I have a student that was a pro football player 10 years ago. Michael, remember Mr. Lundy? Anyway, he has great speed and awareness but, is having difficulty controlling his power on impact. Does anyone have any drills or training ideas for improving the speedy tap that we have come to appreciate when our instructors could have cut us in two yet they only just tapped us with their kick? Gordon Okerstrom _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 2,400 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2008: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://the-dojang.net --__--__-- Message: 12 From: Ray To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] 10h dans Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 13:11:03 -0800 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Red was used by at least some dojangs in Korea in the 1950s, maybe even sooner. I saw it in Illinois from the fall of 1973 and on. Colors of the Korean flag and all. It was probably there earlier, but that is the first I came in contact with TKD and TSD. I was Judo prior to that. Perhaps your Korean dojang or kwan didn't use it. ?? But using red had nothing to do with POing the Japanese, imho. By the 1980s and 90s Taekwondo was so popular worldwide that I seriously doubt the Koreans cared one little bit what the Japanese were doing or not doing. TKD was well on the way to getting into the Olympics and the Karate folks were already jealous enough. Altho I'm not sure that they should have been jealous given what has occurred to TKD as a result. Ray On Nov 4, 2008, at 3:36 AM, Rick Clark wrote: > When I was in Korea 69-70 they were using brown belts. I did not see > red used till the late 80's early 90's I would guess. --__--__-- Message: 13 Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 13:18:44 -0800 (PST) From: Jye nigma To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Video clip: freesparring Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net This is a fight club put together by the blacktaoist round one is a judo guy vs the blacktaoist and round two is a TKD guy vs the blacktaoist.   http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5222350685644297654&hl=en   what do you guys think over-all?         Jye --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2008: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest