Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 02:48:36 +0100 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 15 #308 - 10 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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Ultimate Karate Wednesday Night Fight Club 1 (Jye nigma) 2. RE: ITF Sparring (was Re: Video Clip: Sparring clips) (PETER.MCDONALDSMITH@london-fire.gov.uk) 3. ITF TKD (Jye nigma) 4. In Memory of Joe Hyams (aburrese@aol.com) 5. Re: Re: Time in grage across the board (shimmeringlight@optonline.net) 6. Re: Re: time in grade (Jye nigma) 7. RE: time in grade (J R Hilland) 8. Ronda Sweet recommendation letter (Ray) 9. Back from Wyoming (Ray) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 14:26:35 -0800 (PST) From: Jye nigma To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Ultimate Karate Wednesday Night Fight Club 1 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net fight night cage in harlem..anyone can come down and test their skills no matter what the style.   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7TJk58rQfNk   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9XlYUu-2Y5w   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8X9Sx6zdcQ4   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qEkZm2OlcbE __._,_.___ MARKETPLACE >From kitchen basics to easy recipes - join the Group from Kraft Foods Your email settings: Individual Email|Traditional Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch to Fully Featured Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe __,_._,___ --__--__-- Message: 2 Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] ITF Sparring (was Re: Video Clip: Sparring clips) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 20:52:54 -0000 From: To: Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hey for as long as I've been doing TKD (ITF) the contact has been pretty heavy. We often have Thai fighters come and want to spar thinking that we are that same as the Olympic style. Believe me they can never cope with the senior grades Peter -----Original Message----- From: Christopher Spiller [mailto:chrispillertkd@yahoo.com] Sent: 07 November 2008 04:13 To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] ITF Sparring (was Re: Video Clip: Sparring clips) >>Message: 1 From: Joseph Cheavens To: Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Video Clip: Sparring clips Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 18:42:59 -0600 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Looks like ITF is making some improvements in terms of more realistic fighting (i.e. continuous sparring v.s. point sparring and allowing heavier contact to the head with hand strikes) whereas WTF is stagnating in their same tippy-tap game of tag.<< The ITF has had continuous sparring since the 1970's, IIRC. As for contact level, that tends to increase with the level of the tournament. >From what I heard by people who were there, the contact level at the ITF World Championship in 2004 in South Korea was basically full contact. The ITF also has a full contact tournament circuit, the ITC (International Taekwon-Do Circuit) which is headed up by Master Nestor Gallaraga form Argentina. It features full contact matches between very highly rated ITF fighters. There have been several ITC matches held in conjunction with ITF WC's recently. Pax, Chris Wherever the Catholic sun doth shine, There's always laughter and good red wine. At least I've always found it so. Benedicamus Domino! -Hilaire Belloc _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 2,400 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2008: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://the-dojang.net **************************************************************************** LONDON FIRE BRIGADE For fire Safety advice please go to http://www.london-fire.gov.uk/YourSafety.asp This email intended solely for the addressee and is confidential. 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You should carry out your own virus checks before opening emails or their attachments. --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 00:35:19 -0800 (PST) From: Jye nigma To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] ITF TKD Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net http://www.56.com/u67/v_Mjc3MTIyMjQ.html --__--__-- Message: 4 To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 13:28:40 -0500 From: aburrese@aol.com Subject: [The_Dojang] In Memory of Joe Hyams Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I remember reading Zen and the Martial Arts years ago. In Memory of Joe Hyams who passed away last week: http://martialminute.blogspot.com/ Alain www.burrese.com --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 02:17:19 +0000 (GMT) From: shimmeringlight@optonline.net Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Re: Time in grage across the board To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I agree that in the colored belts, some deserve to be skipped to another level, and the class usually can see the difference of that student's skills. However, only if the student came from another school. I suppose upon the new students "application" for a new school, that their prior experience be noted at time of application or observed at the very next class. It is , in my opinion, better for moral of all, to give the new person the appropriate belt within the first week or so. If a student who is in their class from the beginning but progresses better, I think they should NOT be given an advancement in rank and let them go through the time and grade process. The "better" student will either be an inspiration to others or can help others. If the "better" student wants to get advanced, I would take one level away, but thats my opinion. As far a "DAN" levels,..... wait in line, time and grade... However,(again as noted with colored belts) ..... if a Black Belt comes in as a new student , again, they need to be evaluated within the first week for the correct degree advancement. But only 1st through 3rd; after that, its about community, or the promotion of the art in personal life and being a reflection of your art to others, not only skills and techniques but more of an emphasise of philosophy. Respects, Iam, master gregory nabel :) ----- Original Message ----- From: zisheged@aol.com Date: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 10:24 am Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Time in grage across the board To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > In college, there have been cases of students skipping through > to doctoral level as they demonstrated high ability, it's > commonplace for people to advance rapidly through a bachelors > degree, soldiers skip rank for heroism and people skio ranks in > civil service routinely. > > > I have skipped students in color belt testing as some kids come > with experience from other schools or basically because they are > very good. Skipping once through dan rank from 2nd to 4th dan > can sometimes be justified as students change schools and are > sometimes held in grade too long > > But...skipping from 5th to 9th dan, getting a 13th dan and all > the other hokey stuff is just stupid. > > > > > Zeishe > _______________________________________________ > The_Dojang mailing list, 2,400 members > The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2008: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://the-dojang.net > www.gnabelmartialarts.com [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type text/x-vcard which had a name of shimmeringlight.vcf; charset=us-ascii] --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 14:40:29 -0800 (PST) From: Jye nigma Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Re: time in grade To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net isn't that what some of the teachers did? You ever walk into a TKD school and the teacher is 9th dan in TKD, 8th in hapkido, 6th in judo, etc ? Now how is that possible if they followed the time in a grade business?   Jye --- On Tue, 11/11/08, Lasich, Mark D. wrote: And if we all agree to honor this system, I can hold a first degree in all KMAs in, what, less than a month! Bringing new meaning to "another notch on your belt"! All in fun, and in the spirit, Mark --__--__-- Message: 7 From: "J R Hilland" To: Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 16:29:43 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: time in grade Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net <<>> Go to www.ebay.com and type in 'black belt certificate'. just pitiful... --__--__-- Message: 8 From: Ray To: The_Dojang Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 14:24:24 -0800 Subject: [The_Dojang] Ronda Sweet recommendation letter Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Another letter of recommendation for Ronda, this one from Clark County Taekwondo. Ray ========================================================= November 11, 2008 From: Clark County Taekwondo Club To: USAT Member Clubs Re: Endorsement of Ronda Sweet as Grassroots Director The last 10 years have been tumultuous for American Taekwondo. Taekwondo Kyurogi has been made an Olympic medal sport subject to regular IOC review, and Taekwondo poomsae has become an internationally contested sport. At the same time, the feudal United States Taekwondo Union (USTU) has been decertified as the National Governing Body (NGB) for Olympic Taekwondo and replaced by a more streamlined and professional U. S. A. Taekwondo (USAT) that is directly accountable to the U.S. Olympic Committee. Like the U.S. Taekwondo NGB, the World Taekwondo Federation, the International Governing Body for Olympic Taekwondo, is undergoing a process of reconstitution after a damaging series of corruption scandals. Those scandals have included efforts to put American athletes, coaches and referees at a disadvantage. As a USAT affiliated school, our primary concern is not small program perks, but reliable information, good communication, and fair access to national, international and Olympic competitions for athletes, coaches and referees. We want our NGB to comply with the Ted Stevens Olympic and Amateur Sports Act, to keep our national program in good standing on the international stage, and to work with the international sport community to keep Taekwondo as an Olympic sport. If these things do not occur there is no reason for the USAT to exist. The USAT is now professionally administered and staffed, and lead by a CEO who is responsible for day-to-day operations. Policy is set and oversight exercised by the elected BOD. The members of the BOD should have as their primary objective setting policy and providing oversight for the USAT that will protect the interests of American athletes, coaches, and referees as part of the Olympic movement. We appreciate the martial arts qualifications and the dedication to the sport and art of Taekwondo of all of the candidates for grass roots director; however published platforms of some candidates focus on small program details that have little to do with the larger issues facing the USAT or the responsibilities of the Board of Directors. In contrast, Ronda Sweet, current Grassroots Director and Chair of the USAT BOD, clearly understands that managing programs and providing member services is the responsibility of the CEO and the staff; while the responsibility of the BOD is to ‚Äúestablish policy, and provide strategic direction to management on significant issues facing USAT‚Äù (see appendix A). Among the significant issues of concern to us are the establishment of a Martial Arts Commission (MAC) and the reestablishment of State organizations. These actions may provide an opportunity for the return to the feudal system that undid the USAT and still threatens to destroy Taekwondo as an Olympic sport. The USAT standards for transparency and accountability for these state organizations are commendably high, but these standards are useless without knowledgeable, experienced and aggressive oversight by the Board of Directors. Ronda Sweet has been an active and vocal advocate for a transparent, accountable and honest National Governing Body for Olympic and World Championship Taekwondo. She has lead, assisted, or supported, every effort in the last 10 years to reform and improve the USTU and USAT (see Appendix B). Ronda Sweet is the most effective advocate for grassroots issues on the USAT Board of Directors. Olympic Taekwondo and World championship Taekwondo Kyurogi and Poomsae have been, and still remain, in a critical state. The reformation of American Taekwondo is a work-in-progress and requires diligent oversight. The issues that face the USAT BOD in the next few years are urgent and complex and we cannot afford to lose the most experienced voice on the Board. For these reasons the Clark County Taekwondo Club strongly endorses the candidacy of Ronda Sweet for reelection as Grassroots Director on the USAT Board of Directors. Sincerely, Ron Marlow USAT Club Representative Clark County Taekwondo Club (USAT # 5233) Appendix A. By-Law Description of the Duties of the Board of Directors SECTION 7. BOARD OF DIRECTORS Section 7.1. General Powers. Except as otherwise provided in these Bylaws, all corporate powers shall be exercised by or under the authority of, and the business and affairs of USAT shall be governed by, its Board of Directors. Section 7.2. Function of the Board. The Board of Directors represents the interests of USAT's membership, the United States Taekwondo community and Taekwondo athletes by providing USAT with policy, guidance and strategic direction. The Board oversees the management of USAT and its affairs, but it does not manage USAT. The Board shall select a well-qualified and ethical Chief Executive Officer and diligently oversee the Chief Executive Officer in the operation of USAT. The Board shall focus on long-term objectives and impacts rather than on day-to-day management, empowering the Chief Executive Officer to manage a staff-driven organization with effective Board oversight. In addition, the Board performs the following specific functions, among others: a.selects, compensates, supports, and evaluates the Chief Executive Officer and plans for management succession; b.reviews and approves USAT's strategic plan and the annual operating plans, budget, business plans, and corporate performance; c.sets policy and provides guidance and strategic direction to management on significant issues facing USAT; d.reviews and approves significant corporate actions; e.oversees the financial reporting process, communications with stakeholders, and USAT's legal and regulatory compliance program; f.oversees effective corporate governance; g.approves capital structure, financial strategies, borrowing commitments, and long-range financial planning; h.reviews and approves financial statements, annual reports, audit and control policies, and, upon the recommendation of the Audit Committee, selects independent auditors; i.monitors to determine whether USAT's assets are being properly protected; j.monitors USAT's compliance with laws and regulations and the performance of its broader responsibilities; and k.ensures that the Board and management are properly structured and prepared to act in case of an unforeseen corporate crisis. Appendix B. Ronda Sweet's activities in support of American Taekwondo Chair of the USAT Board of Directors for 2 years Grass Roots Director, USAT Board of Directors for 3 years President of Oklahoma state organization for 6 years Chair of the USTU Publication Committee, Webmaster, and Editor of the USTU Magazine. Chair USAT Awards Committee. Awards Committee created the USAT awards program, requirements and awards. Worked with USAT and Art Canning to bring the Chris Canning Award of Excellence to the USAT along with the annual scholarship. Appointed by the USOC Governance & Management Committee to create a Board seat elected by the State Associations. Worked with Bob Gambardella, USAT CEO in 2004 & 2005, along with others to mitigate the issue with the two US Congressmen wanting to eliminate all head kicks for those under 12 years old. Provided Congressmen with samples of USAT protective equipment, as well as pointed out problems with the studies upon which they were basing their decisions. This lead to the eventual head kick policy currently in place. Appointed by BOD Chair of the USAT Audit Committee. Worked with USAT & USOC auditors to review financials and possible problems. Worked with USAT CEO to create a more family friendly equipment and uniform policy permitting students to wear school uniforms and elbow and knee pads. Worked with USAT staff to allow black belts under 12 in the World Class division the opportunity to use Junior Safety Rules. Conceived and oversaw implementation of the USAT Grassroots Grants Program. Conceived and oversaw implementation of the USAT Dan Certification program. Conceived and oversaw implementation of the USAT Sexual Harassment Policy. Worked with USAT CEO and web staff to improve the USAT website. Conceived and oversaw implementation of the USAT Volunteer Committee and the newly formed USAT Women‚Äôs Committee. Conceived and oversaw implementation of Bracketed Forms in the 2008 USAT program. Negotiated to bring the CIDP program back in-house instead of contracted outside the USAT. Conceived and oversaw implementation of the current interpretation of the competition protest procedures. --__--__-- Message: 9 From: Ray To: The_Dojang Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 15:53:07 -0800 Subject: [The_Dojang] Back from Wyoming Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Back from Cody, WY. Did a quick seminar and had a great time spending two days in the firearms museum of the Buffalo Bill Historical Center, as in Buffalo Bill Cody. Ray --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2008: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest