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Today's Topics: 1. http://usa-taekwondo.us/news/article/7778 (The_Dojang) 2. point of pivoting (Mike Donahoo) 3. Re: point of pivoting (jay.oconnor@comcast.net) 4. spin heel hook / Koryo (Gordon Okerstrom) 5. Re: spin heel hook / Koryo (daomyer@aol.com) 6. Monkey grabs peaches (Gordon Okerstrom) 7. Re: Monkey grabs peaches (James O'Connor) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 19:42:00 -0800 From: The_Dojang To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] http://usa-taekwondo.us/news/article/7778 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net To those that recently received your ballots for USAT, formerly USTU, Grassroots Director, I encourage you to check out http://usa-taekwondo.us/news/article/7778 "Grassroots Director Candidate Statements and Resumes Available for Viewing" imho Ronda is THE candidate for this position. Ray Terry www.the-dojang.net the.dojang.digest@gmail.com --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 22:07:00 -0800 (PST) From: Mike Donahoo To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] point of pivoting Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net When a person is throwing a spining hook kick (spin whip / spin heel) where do you teach the pivot and rotation of the support foot? I have seen people throw this kick and pivot on the ball of the foot and I've seen people pivot on their heel. Which way do people teach (or have been taught) and why? Thanks for any insight. I know I will probably catch a lot of flack for this but here it goes. In the form Koroyo, there is a step over side kick which lands in a front stance and then their is a inverted spear hand. Then the person steps back and executes a low block. This is the sequence of motions that I would like someone to explain. What is the target for the spear hand and the next few motions? The other night I was watching "Mansers" on Spike. They demonstrated a very similar move. The explanation they gave was this. The spear hand was executed to underneath the last of the ribs where the tips of the fingers catch slightly under the ribs. The motion that looks like a down block was a hammer fist to break the ribs. Now I know that "Mansers" is not the ideal source of martial knowledge but that explanation isn't the worst that I've heard. Can anyone verify or shoot down this? --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 15:38:55 +0000 (UTC) From: jay.oconnor@comcast.net To: the dojang Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] point of pivoting Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Donahoo" To: "the dojang" Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 11:07:00 PM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain Subject: [The_Dojang] point of pivoting When a person is throwing a spining hook kick (spin whip / spin heel) where do you teach the pivot and rotation of the support foot? I have seen people throw this kick and pivot on the ball of the foot and I've seen people pivot on their heel. Which way do people teach (or have been taught) and why? Thanks for any insight. Ball of foot. Pivoting on the heel is a mistake and a balance issue. I know I will probably catch a lot of flack for this but here it goes. In the form Koroyo, there is a step over side kick which lands in a front stance and then their is a inverted spear hand. Then the person steps back and executes a low block. This is the sequence of motions that I would like someone to explain. What is the target for the spear hand and the next few motions? The other night I was watching "Mansers" on Spike. They demonstrated a very similar move. The explanation they gave was this. The spear hand was executed to underneath the last of the ribs where the tips of the fingers catch slightly under the ribs. The motion that looks like a down block was a hammer fist to break the ribs. Now I know that "Mansers" is not the ideal source of martial knowledge but that explanation isn't the worst that I've heard. Can anyone verify or shoot down this? I dunnno...I was taught that hand strike as "grab the crotch and rip" using the 'block' to put pressure on the hips as you pull _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 2,400 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2008: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://the-dojang.net --__--__-- Message: 4 From: "Gordon Okerstrom" To: Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 09:58:38 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] spin heel hook / Koryo Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net We teach the pivot from the ball of the foot. I too have seen it both ways. Pivoting from the heel would shorten the reach of the kick. In combat / sparring, you continually adjust for distance so, this could be of use. In Koryo, the motion you speak of we call "monkey grabs peaches". We are taught it is a castration move. The spear hand shoots below the groin area, closes to a fist (grab peaches), the spear hand is withdrawn and sheared by the down block (castration), then the downward pressing palm can be interpreted as throwing the peaches on the ground. We do a similar move in Toi-Gye Tul. I've heard other explanations of a strike here and a block there but I like this one. It seems to involve the student more. I guess some people enjoy inflicting pain. : ) Gordon Okerstrom --__--__-- Message: 5 To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] spin heel hook / Koryo Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 11:51:10 -0500 From: daomyer@aol.com Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I too have seen it both ways. I have no idea how the heel version can be right. True power starts from that corkscrew motion as you twist and pivot the foot turning the heel towards the kick. Its almost like winding a band and then springing out of it. To me it would be like punching flat footed versus the foot pivot that unsnaps the hip power. may still work but missing a lot. Oh, there's also the fact that you may rip some things if you shift your weight on that leg wrong. "Monkey grabs peaches" I think we owe that line to Mr. Bruce Lee ? : ) Dave O. --__--__-- Message: 6 From: "Gordon Okerstrom" To: Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 11:41:26 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] Monkey grabs peaches Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net You're probably right. It sounds like a description from Gung Fu brothers. However, I don't know. Gordon Okerstrom --__--__-- Message: 7 From: James O'Connor To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Monkey grabs peaches Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 11:31:05 -0700 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reminds me of "Finding The Snake" by Jackie Chan from "Snake in Eagle's Shadow" On Nov 19, 2008, at 10:41 AM, Gordon Okerstrom wrote: > You're probably right. It sounds like a description from Gung Fu > brothers. > However, I don't know. > > Gordon Okerstrom > _______________________________________________ > The_Dojang mailing list, 2,400 members > The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2008: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://the-dojang.net --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2008: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest