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Re: Dan Skipping (Frank Clay) 2. RE: Re: Dan Skipping (michael tomlinson) 3. Re: Dan Skipping/Tradition (Victor.E.Dodge@jci.com) 4. RE: Re: Dan Skipping/Tradition (michael tomlinson) 5. Re: Re: Dan Skipping/Tradition (Ray) 6. Live in the UK? (Ray) 7. Need free TKD training? (Ray) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: Frank Clay To: the_dojang Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 07:44:06 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Dan Skipping Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I read this dialogue with some interest. I think that I am am,azed at how ingrained such an artificial system has become. While on the one hand, I think that in theory a certain level of quality control is afforded by adhering to such a strict militarized method, I also ponder the background I have since gained in Chinese Martial Art. There is frequently no rank but you "know" who your senior is and you "know" your place. I think that rank sometimes leads to egomania and I wonder if it has lost its real value. Why train when you can buy it? Most don't feel that way but enough do that the martial arts are generally given a black eye. Also, I remember as a kid idolizing the schools black belts. I looked up to them and dremt of the day that I would become one. Fast forward to now, I have since learned that becoming a master has less to do with the rank that one wearts around their waist than the belt worn around their heart and spirit. Some have gone to wearing unmarked belts but I've gone a bit further. I don't wear a belt at all. I teach in a hanbok and train in hanbok britches with a school t-shirt. Simplicity to me is key. Everything else is decoration and not value added (though it certainly adds value to school coffers). Thoughts? Frank --__--__-- Message: 2 From: michael tomlinson To: Dojang Digest Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Re: Dan Skipping Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 14:15:30 +0000 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I have to agree with a lot of this...we also take it to the point of not wearing doboks that often anymore. I live and teach in Florida so we actually train in shorts and t-shirts most of the time...I wear sweat pants sometimes, sometimes I wear my dobok pants and a t shirt...the reason we do this is because everyone in Florida wears t shirts so more then likely you will be attacked by someone in a t shirt...so we do this for a reason...but when it comes to promotions and formality we always wear our doboks and belts...IMO keeping tradition should be viewed with the common sense of remembering what Hapkido was invented for....BUT when it comes to time in rank...well I don't deviate on that and I never will....Michael Tomlinson > From: frankclay@msn.com> To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net> Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 07:44:06 -0600> Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Dan Skipping> > I read this dialogue with some interest. I think that I am am,azed at how> ingrained such an artificial system has become. While on the one hand, I think> that in theory a certain level of quality control is afforded by adhering to> such a strict militarized method, I also ponder the background I have since> gained in Chinese Martial Art. There is frequently no rank but you "know" who> your senior is and you "know" your place. I think that rank sometimes leads to> egomania and I wonder if it has lost its real value. Why train when you can> buy it? Most don't feel that way but enough do that the martial arts are> generally given a black eye. Also, I remember as a kid idolizing the schools> black belts. I looked up to them and dremt of the day that I would become one.> Fast forward to now, I have since learned that becoming a master has less to> do with the rank that one wearts around their waist than the belt worn around> their heart and spirit.> > Some have gone to wearing unmarked belts but I've gone a bit further. I don't> wear a belt at all. I teach in a hanbok and train in hanbok britches with a> school t-shirt. Simplicity to me is key. Everything else is decoration and not> value added (though it certainly adds value to school coffers).> > Thoughts?> Frank> _______________________________________________> The_Dojang mailing list, 2,400 members> The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net> Copyright 1994-2008: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource> Standard disclaimers apply > Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://the-dojang.net _________________________________________________________________ Access your email online and on the go with Windows Live Hotmail. http://windowslive.com/Explore/Hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_access_1 12008 --__--__-- Message: 3 To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net From: Victor.E.Dodge@jci.com Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 09:37:57 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Dan Skipping/Tradition Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net If we were REALLY following tradition, wouldn't we all be training in our underwear? Victor Dodge michael tomlinson To Dojang Digest 11/24/2008 09:22 cc Please respond to Subject the_dojang@martia RE: [The_Dojang] Re: Dan Skipping lartsresource.net I have to agree with a lot of this...we also take it to the point of not wearing doboks that often anymore. I live and teach in Florida so we actually train in shorts and t-shirts most of the time...I wear sweat pants sometimes, sometimes I wear my dobok pants and a t shirt...the reason we do this is because everyone in Florida wears t shirts so more then likely you will be attacked by someone in a t shirt...so we do this for a reason...but when it comes to promotions and formality we always wear our doboks and belts...IMO keeping tradition should be viewed with the common sense of remembering what Hapkido was invented for....BUT when it comes to time in rank...well I don't deviate on that and I never will....Michael Tomlinson > From: frankclay@msn.com> To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net> Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 07:44:06 -0600> Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Dan Skipping> > I read this dialogue with some interest. I think that I am am,azed at how> ingrained such an artificial system has become. While on the one hand, I think> that in theory a certain level of quality control is afforded by adhering to> such a strict militarized method, I also ponder the background I have since> gained in Chinese Martial Art. There is frequently no rank but you "know" who> your senior is and you "know" your place. I think that rank sometimes leads to> egomania and I wonder if it has lost its real value. Why train when you can> buy it? Most don't feel that way but enough do that the martial arts are> generally given a black eye. Also, I remember as a kid idolizing the schools> black belts. I looked up to them and dremt of the day that I would become one.> Fast forward to now, I have since learned that becoming a master has less to> do with the rank that one wearts around their waist than the belt worn around> their heart and spirit.> > Some have gone to wearing unmarked belts but I've gone a bit further. I don't> wear a belt at all. I teach in a hanbok and train in hanbok britches with a> school t-shirt. Simplicity to me is key. Everything else is decoration and not> value added (though it certainly adds value to school coffers).> > Thoughts?> Frank> _______________________________________________> The_Dojang mailing list, 2,400 members> The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net> Copyright 1994-2008: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource> Standard disclaimers apply > Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://the-dojang.net _________________________________________________________________ Access your email online and on the go with Windows Live Hotmail. http://windowslive.com/Explore/Hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_access_1 12008 _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 2,400 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2008: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://the-dojang.net --__--__-- Message: 4 From: michael tomlinson To: Dojang Digest Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Re: Dan Skipping/Tradition Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 16:20:44 +0000 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Oh I definaely wear underwear!!!Michael Tomlinson> To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net> From: Victor.E.Dodge@jci.com> Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 09:37:57 -0600> Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Dan Skipping/Tradition> > If we were REALLY following tradition, wouldn't we all be training in our> underwear?> > Victor Dodge> > > > michael tomlinson > l@hotmail.com> To > Dojang Digest > 11/24/2008 09:22 AM > > cc > > Please respond to Subject > the_dojang@martia RE: [The_Dojang] Re: Dan Skipping > lartsresource.net > > > > > > > > > > I have to agree with a lot of this...we also take it to the point of not> wearing doboks that often anymore. I live and teach in Florida so we> actually> train in shorts and t-shirts most of the time...I wear sweat pants> sometimes,> sometimes I wear my dobok pants and a t shirt...the reason we do this is> because everyone in Florida wears t shirts so more then likely you will be> attacked by someone in a t shirt...so we do this for a reason...but when it> comes to promotions and formality we always wear our doboks and belts...IMO> keeping tradition should be viewed with the common sense of remembering> what> Hapkido was invented for....BUT when it comes to time in rank...well I> don't> deviate on that and I never will....Michael Tomlinson> > > > From: frankclay@msn.com> To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net> Date:> Mon,> 24 Nov 2008 07:44:06 -0600> Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Dan Skipping> > I> read> this dialogue with some interest. I think that I am am,azed at how>> ingrained> such an artificial system has become. While on the one hand, I think> that> in> theory a certain level of quality control is afforded by adhering to> such> a> strict militarized method, I also ponder the background I have since>> gained> in Chinese Martial Art. There is frequently no rank but you "know" who>> your> senior is and you "know" your place. I think that rank sometimes leads to>> egomania and I wonder if it has lost its real value. Why train when you> can>> buy it? Most don't feel that way but enough do that the martial arts are>> generally given a black eye. Also, I remember as a kid idolizing the> schools>> black belts. I looked up to them and dremt of the day that I would become> one.> Fast forward to now, I have since learned that becoming a master has> less to> do with the rank that one wearts around their waist than the belt> worn around> their heart and spirit.> > Some have gone to wearing unmarked> belts but I've gone a bit further. I don't> wear a belt at all. I teach in> a> hanbok and train in hanbok britches with a> school t-shirt. Simplicity to> me> is key. Everything else is decoration and not> value added (though it> certainly adds value to school coffers).> > Thoughts?> Frank>> _______________________________________________> The_Dojang mailing list,> 2,400 members> The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net> Copyright 1994-2008: Ray> Terry and Martial Arts Resource> Standard disclaimers apply > Subscribe or> Unsubscribe: http://the-dojang.net> _________________________________________________________________> Access your email online and on the go with Windows Live Hotmail.> http://windowslive.com/Explore/Hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_access_1> > 12008> _______________________________________________> The_Dojang mailing list, 2,400 members> The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net> Copyright 1994-2008: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource> Standard disclaimers apply> Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://the-dojang.net> _______________________________________________> The_Dojang mailing list, 2,400 members> The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net> Copyright 1994-2008: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource> Standard disclaimers apply > Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://the-dojang.net _________________________________________________________________ Proud to be a PC? Show the world. Download the “I’m a PC” Messenger themepack now. hthttp://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/119642558/direct/01/ --__--__-- Message: 5 From: Ray To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Re: Dan Skipping/Tradition Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 14:36:42 -0800 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net And for that we thank you... :) Ray On Nov 24, 2008, at 8:20 AM, michael tomlinson wrote: > Oh I definaely wear underwear!!! --__--__-- Message: 6 From: Ray To: The_Dojang Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 14:39:15 -0800 Subject: [The_Dojang] Live in the UK? Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net http://londonkoreanlinks.net/ --__--__-- Message: 7 From: Ray To: The_Dojang Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 14:37:43 -0800 Subject: [The_Dojang] Need free TKD training? Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Taxi drivers in Changchun get free taekwondo training www.chinaview.cn 2008-11-24 ChANGCHUN, Northeast China, Nov. 24 (Xinhua) -- More than 600 taxi drivers in Changchun have received free taekwondo training by Monday, the 6th day of the "Free Taekwondo Training for Taxi drivers in Changchun." "I have been getting the news that taxi drivers are easy to be hit or robbed; therefore, the idea of teaching them taekwondo for free came into my mind," said Liu Zhenghua, bronze medallist of China Taekwondo Championship in 1999 and the initiator of this activity. Liu Zhenhua owns more than 10 taekwondo halls in Changchun. He has an ambitious plan of having all the 20,000 taxi drivers trained in Changchun in the next few months. "Taxi drivers often meet dangers in their working time, I wish they could be much safer after having learned some basic taekwondo skills; at the same time, it is also an opportunity to promote the sport." "Several years ago, I had been robbed by a gangster with a knife. I was very scared then; however, I will not be scared next time as I have learned taekwondo," said Liang Chungang, a 27-year-old taxi driver in Changchun. Another taxi driver Shao Yingxin said he came to receive the taekwondo training for more reasons, "The reason why I came here to get taekwondo training is not only for protecting myself, but also for getting a new kind of physical training method as well." --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2008: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest