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Today's Topics: 1. plantar fascitis (Tom Metzner) 2. Re: 3rd dan skip test (Ray) 3. RE: plantar fascitis (Thomas Gordon) 4. 3rd dan skip test (Robert Martin) 5. 3rd Dan 'skip' test (Donald) 6. RE: plantar fascitis (michael tomlinson) 7. Re: 3rd Dan 'skip' test (Jye nigma) 8. RE: plantar fascitis (Jye nigma) 9. RE: plantar fascitis (Jye nigma) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "Tom Metzner" To: Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 18:09:12 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] plantar fascitis Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net This past January we had to move our school. We went from a matted floor to a wood gym floor. A couple of months ago I developed some sharp heel pain, like someone hit the bottom of my heel with a hammer. My doctor diagnosed a small bone spur and plantar fasciitis. He suggested a lot of extra stretching and teach while wearing shoes with cushioned supports. Has anyone else had to deal with bone spurs or plantar fasciitis? How long did it take to get better? How did you manage it? Did you continue training? It is frustrating because I've never had to deal with an injury like this. Any tips? Tom Metzner --__--__-- Message: 2 From: Ray To: The_Dojang Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 18:52:21 -0800 Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: 3rd dan skip test Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net "I need to know the following before I decide to approach my current master for permission to apply for a skip dan." All the info needed is at http://usa-taekwondo.us/news/article/8093. If there are still questions; "Please address all questions to USAT CEO David Askinas david.askinas@usa-taekwondo.us or Grandmaster Joon Pyo Choi, Co-Chairman of the USAT Martial Arts Commission jpchoi@moogong.com." Ray --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "Thomas Gordon" To: Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] plantar fascitis Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 09:08:40 -0600 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Mr Metzner, My bride has a similar problem. She no longer trains barefoot wearing Adias martial art shoes. She also likes the Otomix brand. Only problem is it's a little different feeling on the pivot and takes some slight adjusting. Sincerely, Thomas Gordon Master's Seminars on April 17-19, 2009 www.GordonMartialArts.com/new/2009-0419 --__--__-- Message: 4 From: "Robert Martin" To: Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 20:53:02 -0700 Subject: [The_Dojang] 3rd dan skip test Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net In a nutshell -- I would never, under any circumstances ask to test for any rank and would especially never ask to skip a dan rank. If one of my students asked me such I thing I don't thing they would like my answer. There has been a lot of discussion about time in rank. I didn't contribute to that discussion but I'm a very strong believer in time in rank. I think there are good reasons for it. If some one isn't able to train how can they think they are good enough to skip to a next rank when they haven't proved they are good enough for the first rank? Robert Martin -- __--__-- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 17:30:18 -0800 (PST) From: Jye nigma To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] 3rd dan skip test Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Someone emailed me and they are a 2nd dan in TKD wanting to skip 3rd dan to 4th dan. In a nutshell, the had to stop training for a time and I guess if they wouldn't have they would have been testing for their 4th now, so that is the reason behind wanting the dan skip test. Below are some questions they have about such a test:   "I need to know the following before I decide to approach my current master for permission to apply for a skip dan. Price for 3rd degree test and 4th degree test. Idea what is asked of you for the physical test? (Like sit ups, push ups, running, etc. I am just coming off a tendon injury and I have to make sure I am in the proper physical shape before I even consider applying.) Basically, what else is asked during the test for 4th degree? I know the Tae Guek forms (I took the Kukkiwon certification class in San Francisco in Jan. 2008) I am also sure self defense, sparring, demonstration of kicks, and breaking would be required. Is there brick breaking during a 4th degree test? Finally what is the thesis based on? " -- __--__-- -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. We are a community of 5.7 million users fighting spam. SPAMfighter has removed 4731 of my spam emails to date. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len The Professional version does not have this message --__--__-- Message: 5 From: "Donald" To: "dojang_digest" Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 09:50:47 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] 3rd Dan 'skip' test Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net FWIW, in the organization I came up through, one NEVER 'asked' to test, and no one EVER would have shown the disrespect off asking to 'skip' a rank! If you got injured, sick, went out of town, or missed a regularly scheduled testing for whatever reason, you simply tested when your instructor told you it was time, in front of the necessary number of public witnesses, all your fellow dojang students, and testing board. Asking to test, and to skip a rank to boot, would have been bad enough coming from a gup student. For a dan-holder to make such a request might have resulted n being asked to 'train' elsewhere, or there would be a LONG interval to learn some respect and humility before being allowed to test. We were taught that being allowed to test was a privilege, not a right. Personally, I fell on concrete the evening before one of the segments of my sam Dan testing. So I continued training, and instead of getting basically a 'mulligan' that day, I waited 6 months before being allowed to complete the test. BTW re testing board comments: a student was allowed to read over the testing board's written comments on the grading sheet at the promotion ceremony. For grrade school age kids, a parent was allowed to read the sheet. The student did not get to keep the test paper. It was retained in the dojang files. This was done to help teach humility and respect among the students. None of the 'hey, I scored higher than you did' stuff. IMVHO this system worked very well and is still retained. pil seung, Don Ross --__--__-- Message: 6 From: michael tomlinson To: Dojang Digest Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] plantar fascitis Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 15:02:04 +0000 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Yep I actually feel your pain...I have both of the two things you have just described. Funny thing for me is that I tore a tendon in my toe area coaching wrestling and had to go to the doctor. My big toe swelled up and everyone told me I had gout..but I knew better because I heard and felt my toe tear on the mat.. After the x-ray the doc told me that nothing was broken but from looking at the x-rays they could tell that I had tore several tendons over the years in my toes, than you Master Whalen and the big Red mat in Boston!! LOL I had bone spurs on my heels and I also had plantar fasciatus.. here is what makes it better....quit teaching bare foot, wear workout shoes...wear flip flops or something with cushion around the house..don't carry a heavy rucksack hiking without a bunch of cushioning in your boots (that is actually the reason for my heel spurs).. and when you wake up in the morning try to stretch your feet out and rub your insteps....I didn't know I had a problem but I noticed every morning when I got out of bed my feet felt like I had been beaten on the bottom of them like I just escaped from a turkish prison!! I thought I was just getting old and fat. I found out that the morning is the worst time for the pain because your feet muscles contract from the inactivity over the night...that is why you stretch and rub them in the morning...now I don't have a lot of problems...I have to wear boots with a lot of support cushioning to work..even though I'm a high school teacher...and I never wear any shoes without a bunch of cushion and support...I get those Dr. Sholl things at Wal Mart for about 8 dollars a pair. I get the brown ones...funny thing is that if I wear good quality athletic shoes all day my feet still kill me...haven't figured that one out yet...BUT if I wear a good pair of Belleville boots with the Dr. Sholl cushion supports in them all day my feet feel fine?? Experiment with different shoes and boots, and cushion devices and you should start feeling a difference pretty soon..sorry but this means all the barefoot river dancing and martial arts being bare foot is over...once I got used to wearing workout shoes in Hapkido I wondered why I never wore them before...also..if you have tile floors or wood floors at home buy some kind of cushioned house shoes to wear at all times...my Doctor was adament about that..he says that you walk around bare foot at home on hard surfaces more than you realize.....and he is right when you think about it...good luck and once you figure it out it gets much better soon...it also helps if you can hire some really sexy circus midgets to come over and rub your feet with cocoa butter at night also...that's my favorite but kind of exspensive... Michael Tomlinson _________________________________________________________________ Send e-mail faster without improving your typing skills. http://windowslive.com/Explore/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_speed_12 2008 --__--__-- Message: 7 Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 08:39:58 -0800 (PST) From: Jye nigma Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] 3rd Dan 'skip' test To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net The way I had to post the skip dan question may have made it seem like the person was in a rush to get to 4th dan, but in all fairness, that was my summary of the email since I wasn't allowed to post it in its entirety.   Jye --- On Sun, 12/7/08, Donald wrote: From: Donald Subject: [The_Dojang] 3rd Dan 'skip' test To: "dojang_digest" Date: Sunday, December 7, 2008, 9:50 AM FWIW, in the organization I came up through, one NEVER 'asked' to test, and no one EVER would have shown the disrespect off asking to 'skip' a rank! If you got injured, sick, went out of town, or missed a regularly scheduled testing for whatever reason, you simply tested when your instructor told you it was time, in front of the necessary number of public witnesses, all your fellow dojang students, and testing board. Asking to test, and to skip a rank to boot, would have been bad enough coming from a gup student. For a dan-holder to make such a request might have resulted n being asked to 'train' elsewhere, or there would be a LONG interval to learn some respect and humility before being allowed to test. We were taught that being allowed to test was a privilege, not a right. Personally, I fell on concrete the evening before one of the segments of my sam Dan testing. So I continued training, and instead of getting basically a 'mulligan' that day, I waited 6 months before being allowed to complete the test. BTW re testing board comments: a student was allowed to read over the testing board's written comments on the grading sheet at the promotion ceremony. For grrade school age kids, a parent was allowed to read the sheet. The student did not get to keep the test paper. It was retained in the dojang files. This was done to help teach humility and respect among the students. None of the 'hey, I scored higher than you did' stuff. IMVHO this system worked very well and is still retained. pil seung, Don Ross _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 2,400 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2008: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://the-dojang.net --__--__-- Message: 8 Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 08:37:26 -0800 (PST) From: Jye nigma Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] plantar fascitis To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net BONE SPUR (Heel Spur) SYMPTOMS—Possible pain at a place where the bone seems to protrude out from the body more than it should. CAUSES—A bone spur is a pointed growth on a bone. Occurring most frequently on the heel, the bone sticks out and occasionally strikes against something, causing pain. Or there may be ongoing pain at the site. Bone spurs can cause the formation of tiny, painful, tumors at the end of some of the nerves in that area. Those with problems with the heel are generally overweight or middle-aged. But they are also common in those who have tendonitis, neuritis, arthritis, or alkalosis. If bone pain is felt at an unusual bumpy, protruding, place, x rays will confirm whether the problem is arthritis, fracture, bone spur, or possibly primary or metastic bone cancer. TREATMENT— • Give vitamin C to bowel tolerance, along with vitamin E and magnesium. • Correct the calcium/phosphorous ratio by taking 2,000 mg of calcium a day. • Research indicates that plant-derived colloidal minerals tend to reverse spurs and calcium deposits, without surgery, by remodeling the bones. • Do not eat meat, coffee, sugar, and alcohol. These upset the mineral balance in the body and retard healing. • Temporarily avoid citrus fruit. • A 1-2 week raw food fast can be helpful. • Rubbing the bottom of the feet with ice will help draw healing blood to the area. In the early morning, walk barefoot outside on the wet grass. Then come in and dry off; make sure your feet are warm afterward. • If the shoes are not comfortable, this can make the pain feel worse. Wear rubber heels on your shoes, not leather. Adding heel cushions to your shoes may reduce pain. • Avoid walking on hard surfaces. • If you usually walk or jog for exercise, try cycling or swimming instead. • It may be necessary to have the spur surgically removed, if it is too painful or irritating. --__--__-- Message: 9 Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 08:32:20 -0800 (PST) From: Jye nigma Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] plantar fascitis To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I had a bad problem with I believe a tendon that runs the length of your foot; this tendon would pull and cause such pain that walking normal (heel-sole-toes), running, doing anything where I had to land on my toes was out of the question. This started in HIGH SCHOOL FRESHMAN YEAR all the way to approximately age 30. Guess what the problem was in my case? A CHEAP pair of work boots!!! The way I found out was the boots sole of the boots cracked and I threw them away. Soon after that the pain went completely away. Can you believe that? 16 something years and all it was was a cheap pair of boots. I'm not complaining. I'll tell you what, I learning walking, running, jumping, etc is a priviledge! moral of my story, always wear good shoes.   Jye --- On Sun, 12/7/08, Thomas Gordon wrote: From: Thomas Gordon Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] plantar fascitis To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Sunday, December 7, 2008, 10:08 AM Mr Metzner, My bride has a similar problem. She no longer trains barefoot wearing Adias martial art shoes. She also likes the Otomix brand. Only problem is it's a little different feeling on the pivot and takes some slight adjusting. Sincerely, Thomas Gordon Master's Seminars on April 17-19, 2009 www.GordonMartialArts.com/new/2009-0419 _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 2,400 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2008: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://the-dojang.net --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2008: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest