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Re: 3rd dan skip test (Robert Martin) 2. Re: RE: bone spurs and plantar fasciitis (Anthony) 3. Re: Re: 3rd dan skip test (Anthony Zahler) 4. New skip dan program (zisheged@aol.com) 5. TKD video clips (Jye nigma) 6. Re: New skip dan program (Jye nigma) 7. Who has more Taekkyon kicking? (Jye nigma) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "Robert Martin" To: Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 18:09:48 -0700 Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: 3rd dan skip test Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Interesting comment. So because society operates this way today, and I think most would agree, it may not be the best way to operate, than we as martial artists should give up the core values that martial arts is based on? I monitor about 30 black belts from new 1st Dans to long time 5th Dans. I have no problem with telling when each is eligible to test according to dates and who has been doing the work needed to test. It's my job. Now, it might be harder if I had 300 but I'm pretty sure I would have a good idea and the records to back it up. Robert Martin -- __--__-- Message: 5 From: "Joel McTague" To: Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 20:25:35 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: 3rd dan skip test Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I don't completely understand all this deference to one's instructor. It's completely incongruent from everything else in our lives today. For example, the person who gets the promotion is usually the one who is agressive and asks for it. Who gets more raises - the person who doesn't ask or the person who does? And when our students are sparring, don't we teach them to be agressive? A large part of the deference comes from the Confusian notion of ancestor worship, which after it spread in Asia completely retarded the march of progress in the East and in today's world better suited for a Shaw Brothers movie than in a modern dojang. Let's face it - if there is a time in rank requirement, a student is probably in a better position to know when his/her time is ready than an instructor who has to keep several of the dates of a lot of students straight. If a student is subjected to the whims of an instructor's calendar without some definative idea of when he/she will be evaluated, there's no real motivation for the student to continue. Maybe it's because I'm out of the school system for a while and have to schedule my dan tests myself with the USAT that I have a different view, but I don't see why we have to take a step back socially and revert to a mindset that we could never be as good as our "betters" merely because they have a higher dan than we do. -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. We are a community of 5.7 million users fighting spam. SPAMfighter has removed 4780 of my spam emails to date. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len The Professional version does not have this message --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "Anthony" To: Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] RE: bone spurs and plantar fasciitis Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 21:26:15 -0600 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I had abone spur on my right heel and it took a year to go away completely and yes I continued to train carefully Master Anthony Boyle US Central Taekwondo Assocation Usa Han Moo Kwan Assocation US Moo duk kwan Kansas Association www.boylestkd.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "julie" To: Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 8:46 PM Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: bone spurs and plantar fasciitis Tom Metzner asked: Has anyone else had to deal with bone spurs or plantar fasciitis? How long did it take to get better? How did you manage it? Did you continue training? It is frustrating because I've never had to deal with an injury like this. Any tips? ************************* Mr. Metzner, as a practicing chiropractor and a martial artist, I am quite familiar with plantar fasciitis and bone spurs. I have suffered with plantar fasciitis myself and have treated many patients with either one or both issues. In my office I evaluate every patient with foot complaints by evaluating their gait and their stride. I ask them to bring in the shoes that they most often wear, as many people wear shoes that are improperly fitted or are simply wrong for the task that they are performing in them. I then make sure that they have no subluxations in the feet, and I give them "home therapy" for the plantar fasciitis. I tell them to place a golf ball on the floor and roll their foot over it for a few minutes twice a day. The amount of pressure that should be exerted on the golf ball should be just over the pain threshold. It should hurt a bit. Then, ice the bottom of the foot for 10-20 minutes. Doing this routine, as well as having proper footwear and chiropractic care will usually help the problem resolve within a week or two. Bone spurs are often asymptomatic, but if they become very problematic, they may need to be evaluated by a surgeon. Often times, bone spurs are only painful because of the ensuing inflammation in the fascia and/or a subluxation of the calcaneous. I did continue training when I suffered with plantar fasciitis, but I wrapped my arches and wore mat shoes for the duration. I think it took me about 2 months to get healed, but I am my own worst patient. Good luck. If you have any further questions, please feel free to contact me on or off list. Dr. Julie Howard _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 2,400 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2008: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://the-dojang.net --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 23:18:02 -0500 From: "Anthony Zahler" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Re: 3rd dan skip test Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I agree with Robert, but would take it further. Just because arrogant or even downright rude behavior is accepted now, doesn't mean it is the way acquiesce to the lowest form of modern behavior patterns. I was brought up with the idea that it is wrong to reward bad behavior, even if society in general things you can change things if you are nice to rude people. I teach my black belts to reward good behavior and shut down or shutout rude or bad behavior. Joel, would you say it is OK for a green or blue belt with a year in to tell a black belt they are ready to test? It seems to me that the erosion of standards is at the heart of the disrespect that we get from other Martial arts and us for them. If you don't trust your instructor to evaluate you fairly and timely, then you chose the wrong instructor. I study with two Kwangjangnims who I respect and trust and have no issue with them letting me know when they think I am ready to move up in rank. I am coming up on my 5th Dan tests, in Hapkido in June and next December in TKD. But if either GM does not recommend me, I will wait, patiently and keep on practicing the arts I love. JMHO Tony Zahler On Mon, Dec 8, 2008 at 8:09 PM, Robert Martin wrote: > Interesting comment. So because society operates this way today, and I > think > most would agree, it may not be the best way to operate, than we as martial > artists should give up the core values that martial arts is based on? > > I monitor about 30 black belts from new 1st Dans to long time 5th Dans. I > have no problem with telling when each is eligible to test according to > dates and who has been doing the work needed to test. It's my job. Now, it > might be harder if I had 300 but I'm pretty sure I would have a good idea > and the records to back it up. > > Robert Martin > > ====================================================== > Message: 5 > From: "Joel McTague" > To: > Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 20:25:35 -0500 > Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: 3rd dan skip test > Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > > I don't completely understand all this deference to one's instructor. It's > completely incongruent from everything else in our lives today. For > example, > the person who gets the promotion is usually the one who is agressive and > asks > for it. Who gets more raises - the person who doesn't ask or the person > who > does? And when our students are sparring, don't we teach them to be > agressive? A large part of the deference comes from the Confusian notion > of > ancestor worship, which after it spread in Asia completely retarded the > march > of progress in the East and in today's world better suited for a Shaw > Brothers > movie than in a modern dojang. Let's face it - if there is a time in rank > requirement, a student is probably in a better position to know when > his/her > time is ready than an instructor who has to keep several of the dates of a > lot > of students straight. If a student is subjected to the whims of an > instructor's calendar without some definative idea of when he/she will be > evaluated, there's no real motivation for the student to continue. Maybe > it's > because I'm out of the school system for a while and have to schedule my > dan > tests myself with the USAT that I have a different view, but I don't see > why > we have to take a step back socially and revert to a mindset that we could > never be as good as our "betters" merely because they have a higher dan > than > we do. --__--__-- Message: 4 To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2008 06:54:12 -0500 From: zisheged@aol.com Subject: [The_Dojang] New skip dan program Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net OKKKKKKKKK.....so NOW we can skip not only one but multiple dans! We now can get out our old karate, ITF, MooDukKwan dans recalibrated into kukkiwon dans. This is a sad day. I'm quite certain that one of my green belts will apply for 7th dan soon. Recession has hit Wall St., GM and now TKD. What did our training, the innumerable sparring, countless hours getting my roundhouse to look decent all mean if you can circumvent all that pain for a handful of dollars and buy a dan???? Help, I'm drowning. Zeishe --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 05:19:01 -0800 (PST) From: Jye nigma To: MartialArtsTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: [The_Dojang] TKD video clips Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net matsogi 1988: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ocLPRy1va4g&feature=PlayList&p=F276BC9B4760F81 9&index=7   matsogi 2003: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5FSIFkmwGE&NR=1     --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 09:22:59 -0800 (PST) From: Jye nigma Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] New skip dan program To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net No ...no...next will be info-mmercials on how acheiving your desired Dan rank with only 15 minutes a day workout...lol. I can see the commercial now:   Joe billy bob- "I used to be a measly little yellow belt, until I found King Jye's Black-Belt-O-matic program!" "The black-belt-o-matic is not in any stores, or sold online. If you act now, we'll throw in the certificate maker great for reproducing ITF/WTF/GTF etc certs. We'll also throw in the templates to these certs. So you'll get the black-belt-o-matic, certificate maker, certs templates, and if you call within the next 15mins, we'll also include all the poomse/tuls videos necessary to make it look like you really know what you're doing! you get all this for 3 easy payments of an arm, and two legs....that's right only an arm and two legs!   jye --- On Tue, 12/9/08, zisheged@aol.com wrote: From: zisheged@aol.com Subject: [The_Dojang] New skip dan program To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Tuesday, December 9, 2008, 6:54 AM OKKKKKKKKK.....so NOW we can skip not only one but multiple dans! We now can get out our old karate, ITF, MooDukKwan dans recalibrated into kukkiwon dans. This is a sad day. I'm quite certain that one of my green belts will apply for 7th dan soon. Recession has hit Wall St., GM and now TKD. What did our training, the innumerable sparring, countless hours getting my roundhouse to look decent all mean if you can circumvent all that pain for a handful of dollars and buy a dan???? Help, I'm drowning. Zeishe _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 2,400 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2008: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://the-dojang.net --__--__-- Message: 7 Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 14:05:53 -0800 (PST) From: Jye nigma To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Who has more Taekkyon kicking? Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Ok we all know the histories of TKD and Hapkido right? So which art do you all think (or know) has actual kicking methods from Taekkyon?   Jye   --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2008: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest