Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 02:48:27 +0100 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 15 #344 - 4 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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Re: Re: The real benefits of Poomse (Peter) (Lee Morgan) 2. Re: Re: The real benefits of poomse by Jeff Finley (Lee Morgan) 3. Forms and Temple Boxing (Frank Clay) 4. 2008 Annual Award Winners (The_Dojang) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 23:21:00 -0500 From: "Lee Morgan" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Re: The real benefits of Poomse (Peter) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Thank you for your comments Peter. I hope you'll forgive the informality, but I wasn't sure if your last name is Smith, or McDonald. I've always enjoyed watching people practice the tuls. Being in WTF TKD I practice the Tae Guek poomse. One of the things I've been interested in for a long time is understanding the movements behind the forms especially the self-defense movements. After all, even though the TKD forms are relatively new, most of the movements that make up the forms are VERY old. The fact that they are so old and yet are still around, and common to almost every martial style leads me to believe that there are many aspects to these movements that are not being taught in most TKD schools today. Again, any thoughts are much appreciated, and thank you once again. J. Lee Morgan --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 23:06:01 -0500 From: "Lee Morgan" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Re: The real benefits of poomse by Jeff Finley Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Mr. Finley, thank you very much for your response. I've been practicing TKD since 1980, and it's been my experience that many of the applicable and practical techniques found within the forms aren't taught to a great extent in most dojangs (maybe for several reasons???---I don't know---that's why I've asked the question you responded to). In a few TKD schools, I've seen some of the valuable things that you have mentioned being taught. In my first style (Temple Boxing--which I still practice along with TKD), I find all the techniques that make up the system in the forms, and there are different types of forms for for different purposes (martial, meditative/chi gong, etc..). Each one of the martial forms contain a whole self-defense system within itself, with literally too many very effective (street effective) applications to learn in only a few years. In TB forms, when you have practiced the form enough so that you can perform the set with power and precision, you are still not considered to know the form (unlike with TKD). It's kind of like going to the store to buy a text book---you have the book in your possession, but you still don't know all the information in the book. I know that the TKD forms are relatively new, so I'm not sure if the creators of the forms had street effective techniques in mind when they developed the forms---which is another reason I'm asking the question. I'm right there with you on enjoying poomse---both doing them myself and watching others perform them. But if you'll allow me to be so bold, I would like to offer you some advice based on one of your comments. I would encourage you to look deeper into the techniques in your poomse, especially the ones that you don't believe would be "practical on the street". Take some of the simple blocks, like the ahrae mahki, cho kyo mahki, bahkuro mahki, or the ahnuro mahki. These are common to many martial styles including Temple Boxing. Each one of these simple blocks are actually a finishing technique. Look for the redirection,trap, or pass of the incoming attack in the preparatory motion of your movement, and the counter to your opponent's attack in the finishing motion (which we usually think of as blocking). The hand that comes back to your side is usually bringing your opponent in with it so that your technique is amplified by reverse movement. You'll find that a simple high block is extremely "street" effective when done properly, and that there are many, many techniques associated with simple movements like our "blocks". BTW, good luck on your upcoming 2nd degree test! J. Lee Morgan --__--__-- Message: 3 From: Frank Clay To: the_dojang Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 11:49:24 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] Forms and Temple Boxing Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Mr. Morgan, I think that you will find that there is a significant difference in the way that the study of forms is conducted in Mudo versus CMA. Having studied both (Shandong Black Tiger and Taijiquan [not Tai cheese], as well as, Tang Soo Do and Taekwondo (Chung Do Kwan tradition - using both Pyung Ahn and old style chung Han - pre-sine wave) I'm in a position to compare and contrast. I'd like to say that korean mudo forms are simpler and in fact they are much much easier to perform; however, simpler would be too supreficial. Their simplicity makes them difficult. I'd recommend you really focus on the study and learn from them. Use your Temple boxing background to interpret them and derive practical lessons. They are there if one cares to look. Don't be a stage monkey though. too many of those in korean Martial Arts. they learn a trick and think they really have something. Make sense? Good luck, Frank --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 10:45:31 -0800 From: The_Dojang To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] 2008 Annual Award Winners Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net USAT Announces 2008 Annual Award Winners USA Taekwondo December 19, 2008 Congratulations to the following individuals and clubs who were named recipients of USAT's Annual Awards. Thank you to all those who submitted nominations. The winners: Male Athlete of the Year: Mark Lopez (Sugar Land, Texas) Female Athlete of the Year: Diana Lopez (Sugar Land, Texas) Male Junior Athlete of the Year: Thomas Lee (Rockville, Md.) Female Junior Athlete of the Year: Paige McPherson (Sturgis, S.D.) Co-Referees of the Year: Tweedy Nguyen (Dallas, Texas) & Bernard Robinson (Chesterfield, Va.) Coach of the Year: Patrice Remarck (Alexandria, Va.) Club of the Year: Ray Smith TKD (Summerville, S.C.) Volunteer of the Year: Marco Mack (Laguna Niguel, Calif.) Family of the Year: The Kimmich Family (Aurora, Colo.) Lifetime Service Award: Dr. Ken Min (El Sobrante, Calif.) Directors Leadership Award: Ji Ho Choi (Fort Lee, N.J.) --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2008: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest