Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2008 02:48:21 +0100 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 15 #350 - 5 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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Re: physical fitness requirements (zisheged@aol.com) 2. Re: RE: RE: The real benefits of poomse-meditative (Lee Morgan) 3. RE: Re: physical fitness requirements (Thomas Gordon) 4. Moon Dae-sung Celebrates IOC Role (Ray) 5. Re: Re: physical fitness requirements (Jye nigma) --__--__-- Message: 1 To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2008 09:47:14 -0500 From: zisheged@aol.com Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: physical fitness requirements Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Let's examine this on two fronts. The need for fitness in general and when involved in a real fight and olympic sparring. We need the wind to make us last through competiton and the strength to deliver effective blows. You can train in forms for 3o years and not become a great fighter. If you are very strong, even with sloppy rtechnique, you will prevail. In truth we need forms and physical training. I created stages for all belt promotions in fitness. By the time someone becomes 5th kup in my school, they will have met or exceeded the President's Council on Physical Fitness or they will not move to 4th kup. Nothing worse than looking at a fat sloppy black belt. Zeishe --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2008 23:54:40 -0500 From: "Lee Morgan" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] RE: RE: The real benefits of poomse-meditative Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Merry Christmas Jye! Yes, I completely agree with you about improving KMA (in my case WTF TKD). I asked the opinions of people on this board because I sometimes tend to look at things with tunnel vision. I look at forms mainly as a way to improve self-defense (in more ways than can be easily written about here). But I realize that there are many other purposes and benefits of forms, as others here have pointed out. One of the things I'm doing is taking street effective techniques from the Temple Boxing forms and teaching them as applications to similar movements in the TKD poomse. I've been asked to do this at a few other schools and also in some local siminars. The results are always the same. About one third of the people really get into it, and you can see light bulbs turning on in their heads. The other two thirds just look at me as if I were speaking a foreign language to them. Why, I even had one mother (of a 15 year old boy) tell me that she didn't think I should be teaching techniques that could potentially hurt people! In a martial art school!? It just goes to show the veriety of people in TKD these days. I've read somewhere that TKD has more practitioners than any other martial style. What potential to reach people with effective self-defense techniques! But I'm not sure that TKD even wants to improve in this area---at least not WTF TKD. Or maybe it's that TKD doesn't think it needs to improve in this area. I was showing a couple of people a few different applications to a high block during lunch break at a TKD siminar a few years ago. I was there as a participant, not an instructor. This generated quite a bit of interest from some of the Korean instructors who were teaching at the siminar. They asked me to show them some of these techniques, so I did. During all this, one elderly Korean asked me who I learned these applications from. When his interpretor told him that I had said it was from a Chinese system and not from TKD, they all walked away and their attitudes towards me changed for the rest of the siminar. Anyway, I guess my point is that the attitudes of many in TKD would have to change dramatically before TKD could benefit from the type of forms training that TB does. Lee Morgan --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "Thomas Gordon" To: Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Re: physical fitness requirements Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2008 17:23:52 -0600 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Mr Zeishe, Do you have an adult chart for the President's Council on Physical Fitness? Sincerely, Thomas Gordon Master's Seminars on April 17-19, 2009 www.GordonMartialArts.com/new/2009-0419 --__--__-- Message: 4 From: Ray To: The_Dojang Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2008 15:24:15 -0800 Subject: [The_Dojang] Moon Dae-sung Celebrates IOC Role Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Moon Dae-sung Celebrates IOC Role chosun.com Moon Dae-sung has declared himself delighted after becoming the first Asian to be elected to the Athletes' Commission of the International Olympic Committee. "Many athletes won gold medals in the 2008 Beijing Olympics. I won another gold medal, which will be a joy to Koreans, from the IOC," Moon told reporters in Seoul last week after participating in an official conference at IOC headquarters in Lausanne, Switzerland. Moon, who won a gold medal at the 2004 Athens Olympics in the men's over 80 kg category with a jump-spinning hook kick, showed off the medal given only to IOC members. "I got this directly from IOC Chairman Jacques Rogge on the day after the Beijing Olympics closed," he said. Moon said he elaborated the temporarily titled "Moon Project" in a 40- minute meeting with the chairman held on the first day he visited IOC headquarters, stressing that Taekwondo is a sport that fits the Olympic spirit of promoting peace and harmony for mankind and discussed opening an international seminar on Taekwondo next August. He said he won a promise of support from Rogge. Moon promised to visit a foreign country a month for eight years from November next year to the day when his membership expires to promote taekwondo and disseminate the Olympic spirit. He is to use all the income earned from corporate sponsorship in supporting developing nations. Moon is an executive member of the World Taekwondo Federation, taekwondo professor at Dong-A University, and vice Chairman of the Korea Olympians Association. He was elected to the Athletes' Commission of the IOC last August. --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2008 15:43:47 -0800 (PST) From: Jye nigma Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Re: physical fitness requirements To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net In my opinion, strength is only a smaller part of being a good fighter. Proper body conditioning, knowledge of fighting and experience is what makes an individual prevail. Body conditioning, strengthens the body's tools so that impact transmitted/received doesn't injure the person. Knowledge of fighting- we'll just call this the theory portion where forms, philosphy and other things increase the person's knowledge base. Experience is what will allow the person to pull from that knowledge base and try to implement the theory they have obtained. Now as far as strength being the determining factor, truth be known I've seen big ol fat guys beat muscular guys down before, and real skinny guys beat down football players. It's really about fighting experience and fight knowledge.   Jye --- On Fri, 12/26/08, zisheged@aol.com wrote: Let's examine this on two fronts. The need for fitness in general and when involved in a real fight and olympic sparring. We need the wind to make us last through competiton and the strength to deliver effective blows. You can train in forms for 3o years and not become a great fighter. If you are very strong, even with sloppy rtechnique, you will prevail. In truth we need forms and physical training. I created stages for all belt promotions in fitness. By the time someone becomes 5th kup in my school, they will have met or exceeded the President's Council on Physical Fitness or they will not move to 4th kup. Nothing worse than looking at a fat sloppy black belt. Zeishe _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 2,400 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2008: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://the-dojang.net --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2008: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest