Date: Fri, 02 Jan 2009 02:48:21 +0100 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 16 #1 - 7 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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Happy New Year (Rudy Timmerman) 2. Re: Happy New Year (mdealba@comcast.net) 3. Re: mast (Beungood8@aol.com) 4. Re: Re: It doesn't end there! (Jye nigma) 5. Re: Fitness level (Ken Legendre) 6. What do you want to improve upon (Jye nigma) 7. training at schools/acorns (Master Mark Seidel) --__--__-- Message: 1 To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net From: Rudy Timmerman Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 19:44:25 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Happy New Year Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Greetings DDers: I wish every one a very healthy, happy, and prosperous New Year and good training in 2009. Sure wish I had come across Ms Warner in the old days when I still competed. Heck... I'd gladly beat my own butt for a home cooked meal and cookies lol. All kidding aside, WTG Kimberley... great attitude about continuing in martial arts. Funny thing is that despite my shortcomings in fitness, I have outlasted most of the fitness superstars in my schools. Seems they are great for a while, but then their beat up old bods can't take it anymore and they quit. In my 58 years of training, I have come across all kinds of well conditioned fighters, and I still contend that all the skill and conditioning in the world does not help you in a real fight unless you have the heart of a Lion. When you see your own blood spill, neither conditioning or skill is going to keep you cool enough to finish the fight to your advantage. You've got to have the right "stuff" to carry on. After WW2, they did a study in the Netherlands why so many young shipwrecked sailors lost their lives while their older comrades managed to survive the same tragedy. Their research concluded that the younger sailors, while in much better condition, did not have the "experience" or life skills to overcome obstacles. Seems that they "gave up" long before their more mature shipmates did and drowned. Frank, I am not speaking for the others you mentioned in your post, but after my accident I am definitely considered infirm by most standards; however, it has never stopped me from puttin some major pain of folks (on and off the mat). With the right "heart" one can overcome a lot of disadvantages for as long as it takes to get the job done. That's my 2 cents worth, and given today's Canadian exchange rate... it ain't worth even that much lol. Have a great one folks! Special thanks to Ray for another great year of Dojang Digest. Rudy --__--__-- Message: 2 From: mdealba@comcast.net To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net, the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Cc: Rudy Timmerman Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Happy New Year Date: Thu, 01 Jan 2009 07:04:25 +0000 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Well said my brother. I too would like to wish everyone a great New Year. May the best of this past year, be the worst of this next. Let's all move into 2009 with our hearts and minds filled with all the love, joy, peace, happiness, and fierce warrior spirit that we can muster. It is within our own power. We just need to get it and use it. Life is choices and circumstances. Let's all make the best ones we can. Keep strong, and never stop following our passion. With much love and brotherhood, Michael De Alba Modern Farang Mu Sul International -- **CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE** This email communication and any attachments may contain confidential and privileged information for the sole use of the designated recipient named above. Distribution, reproduction or any other use of this transmission by any party other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient please contact the sender and delete all copies. -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: Rudy Timmerman > Greetings DDers: > I wish every one a very healthy, happy, and prosperous New Year and > good training in 2009. > > Sure wish I had come across Ms Warner in the old days when I still > competed. Heck... I'd gladly beat my own butt for a home cooked meal > and cookies lol. All kidding aside, WTG Kimberley... great attitude > about continuing in martial arts. Funny thing is that despite my > shortcomings in fitness, I have outlasted most of the fitness > superstars in my schools. Seems they are great for a while, but then > their beat up old bods can't take it anymore and they quit. > > In my 58 years of training, I have come across all kinds of well > conditioned fighters, and I still contend that all the skill and > conditioning in the world does not help you in a real fight unless > you have the heart of a Lion. When you see your own blood spill, > neither conditioning or skill is going to keep you cool enough to > finish the fight to your advantage. You've got to have the right > "stuff" to carry on. > > After WW2, they did a study in the Netherlands why so many young > shipwrecked sailors lost their lives while their older comrades > managed to survive the same tragedy. Their research concluded that > the younger sailors, while in much better condition, did not have the > "experience" or life skills to overcome obstacles. Seems that they > "gave up" long before their more mature shipmates did and drowned. > > Frank, I am not speaking for the others you mentioned in your post, > but after my accident I am definitely considered infirm by most > standards; however, it has never stopped me from puttin some major > pain of folks (on and off the mat). With the right "heart" one can > overcome a lot of disadvantages for as long as it takes to get the > job done. > > That's my 2 cents worth, and given today's Canadian exchange rate... > it ain't worth even that much lol. Have a great one folks! > > Special thanks to Ray for another great year of Dojang Digest. > > Rudy > _______________________________________________ > The_Dojang mailing list, 2,400 members > The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2009: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://the-dojang.net --__--__-- Message: 3 From: Beungood8@aol.com Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 00:48:19 EST To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: mast Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net In a message dated 12/31/2008 7:02:44 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net writes: LOL..Jack..home cooked meal and cookies that would be good..I know that you are used to getting an ass kicking in the Marines for an MRE...and up in Boston by Master Whalen for some Korean dumplings and Irish beer!!! Michael Tomlinson Yes and also the arm twisting at trying to find out who my barber is so he can get rid of the flowbee hair cut I make fun of... **************New year...new news. Be the first to know what is making headlines. (http://www.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000026) --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 01:38:12 -0800 (PST) From: Jye nigma Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Re: It doesn't end there! To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hey I understand that. Nothing worse then a disrespectful person. In all fairness, a person who is sick, heavy, diseased can run a mile, they have to be taught.   One a side note, have you tested your pupils against other arts?   Jye --- On Wed, 12/31/08, zisheged@aol.com wrote: Now don't get me wrong..I don't ONLY exclude for fitness. I ALSO exclude for arrogance! Nasty kids or adults, wise asses and disrespectful people are likewise shown the door.? How in the world will someone that is sick, heavy, diseased be able to run a mile, do 30 push ups, 50 sit ups or one hundred punches with force (my brown?belt requirement)??? Who amongst us is willing to award a black belt to someone who doesn't do forms well, spars poorly and runs out of gas half way through a class??My stock of fairy dust is depleted !?I won't debate my arrogance while I know I produce excellent martial artists. I don't understand what some guys here don't get. I'm not saying the weaker shouldn't train in the arts, I'm saying that I WON'T accept them. I'm only one guy amongst all you excellent masters!? Just my miserable 2 cents...it?IS the destiny of an acorn to become an oak and all because there are mountains does not mean that all of us have to climb them. I would like to see that my school could effectively spar a Kyokoshin school. Talk about tough!!!!!!!! Zeishe _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 2,400 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2008: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://the-dojang.net --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 08:48:26 -0600 From: "Ken Legendre" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Fitness level Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hello All, I guess I'll chime in on the subject. I'm sure it will get/has been pounded to death anyway. I'm not in Hapkido, but I do have some training in it. One of the things that the master always said is don't muscle a technique. I'm sure there are a couple of masters on the list who would agree with that statement. Strength has nothing to do with good hapkido technique. Your technique makes you a good hapkidoist. If you know the correct way to apply a wrist lock, it doesn't matter if you can do 10 pushups or 100, it will work. In Tae Kwon Do, it's the same thing. It took me about 5 years to realize what everybody was talking about when they said relax. I was trying to use my strength to do everything. It didn't work. It just made me tired. Now I would like to think that I'm a pretty decent martial artist. I'm sure there are better, but I know there are people who are much worse. My conditioning has nothing to do with what made me a pretty good martial artist. Heck some days I have problems getting out of bed my back bothers me so much. Other days I can bang of 30 or 40 pushups... 100 not even on my best day. Does the fact that I can't do 100 pushups mean I can't fight or do forms??? I've never been in a fight outside of the ring since I started Tae Kwon Do (19 years now). I have competed in tournaments and have my share of Grand Champion Trophies for forms and fighting... so I think I can fight, but I also hope I never have to find out in the real world. Z, it's your choice to run your school your way. You have that right. I just think that you are taking away something from students who could really use what you have to offer. The gifted athlete will succeed in just about any sport he chooses. The ones who have to bust their back end to get somewhere (which was me) gain significantly more because the journey was much more difficult. It will change their lives. The gifted athlete has always succeeded so they don't gain as much. Now again, it's your choice to run your school the way you want, but I think sometime you should take in one of those students that you wouldn't normally let in. It will change you and them beyond anything you ever thought possible. I've watched/worked with a young kid who struggled to stand still through 5 minutes worth of class. In less than 2 months he made it through his yellow belt promotion. He wasn't perfect, but he also wasn't the worst person out there. Thanks All, Kenneth Legendre 5th Dan TKD --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 01:30:17 -0800 (PST) From: Jye nigma To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] What do you want to improve upon Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net What better way to kick off the new year then with a discussion about what we'd like to improve on in the MA. For me, I want to improve upon a few things, first my overall body condition, I've been inspired by my comrades (calisthenics king, bartendaz, etc) seen here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RmkFRarcpY0 so this year I'm planning on starting their routines. The second thing I'd like to work on is my rolling skills. I haven't worked on rolling in quite some time. Finally my leg flexibility in my legs.   Jye --__--__-- Message: 7 From: "Master Mark Seidel" To: Cc: Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 11:15:46 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] training at schools/acorns Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net So many thoughts come to mind it would be to long to reply; each school should be different and it is nice to have separate places for people to train under different expectations and outcomes. Just remember how many acorns get eaten by squirrel. Mark --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2009: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest