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Re: It doesn't end there! (Greg Hindley) 2. Re: Standards and the circle of life (Timothy Walker) 3. Re: Re: Standards and the circle of life (Jye nigma) 4. Re: Re: It doesn't end there! (Jye nigma) 5. Re: Imagine (zisheged@aol.com) 6. RE: Re: Imagine (Thomas Gordon) 7. RE: Re: It doesn't end there! (Dennis Overall) 8. RE: Re: Imagine (Dennis Overall) 9. MA GAMES (Gordon Okerstrom) 10. Message from WTF President (The_Dojang) 11. What do you want to improve upon (Stovall, Craig) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "Greg Hindley" To: Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 20:01:52 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: It doesn't end there! Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Mr. Zeishe...... Re: It doesn't end there! It never ends!!! The training never stops....Who is above all others? Nobody!!! I have trained in the MA for 30+ years and have fought for many national championships. Overcome MANY hurdles but I never quit. I have bled the MA for all this time and have trained my children what it means to overcome all obstacles in life even though some we are not able to do so. I have recently been diagnosed with an auto immune disease that leaves me (an athlete all my life) crippled, unable to walk or move my arms or perform a side kick which would blast through 5 inches of wood not 7 months ago. It has brought me to a new battle to which I will overcome with the help of dedicated true masters and teachers of BUDO. I will never stop. There is no room for thought processes or people who believe themselves above others. The MA is a quest for all living time and people like you would do good to understand the plights of others, for we all will come face to face with our Dragons sometime in our lives...sooner or later....will YOU adapt and overcome? Or will you give up? Jye...I have read your posts for MANY years and thank you for your contributions to the arts...... Greg Hindley --__--__-- Message: 2 From: Timothy Walker To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 19:39:44 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Standards and the circle of life Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net <> Zeishe, So when you get hit by that drunk skateboarder crossing the street and break a hip (invisible protector forbid!), and can no longer do that high side kick, do you then stop calling yourself a black belt/master/ sifu/whatever? If you can no longer meet your own standard, do you bow out, lower your standard, or take up needlepoint? Forget the drunk skater, how about arthritis, degenerative disc, bad genes? Not trying to pick a fight, just curious. Tim "I'm not as good as I once was, but I'm as good once as I ever was." --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 19:47:47 -0800 (PST) From: Jye nigma Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Re: Standards and the circle of life To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Ahhh, don't get on him too bad. I think what he may be trying to do is specialize in an area with what he feels is the correct body type. I think of it like most TKD schools being the regular military and he wants the Seals. nothing wrong with that in my opinion. Jye --- On Thu, 1/1/09, Timothy Walker wrote: From: Timothy Walker Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Standards and the circle of life To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Thursday, January 1, 2009, 7:39 PM <> Zeishe, So when you get hit by that drunk skateboarder crossing the street and break a hip (invisible protector forbid!), and can no longer do that high side kick, do you then stop calling yourself a black belt/master/ sifu/whatever? If you can no longer meet your own standard, do you bow out, lower your standard, or take up needlepoint? Forget the drunk skater, how about arthritis, degenerative disc, bad genes? Not trying to pick a fight, just curious. Tim "I'm not as good as I once was, but I'm as good once as I ever was." _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 2,400 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2009: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://the-dojang.net --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 19:44:42 -0800 (PST) From: Jye nigma Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Re: It doesn't end there! To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hi Mr. Hindley, I'm sorry to hear about your situation. Just remember it ain't over until you decide it's over. When I read about your condition, the first thought that came to mind was coconut oil- cold pressed virgin coconut oil. Please look into that and you can drop me a line privately if you'd like. Jye --- On Thu, 1/1/09, Greg Hindley wrote: Jye...I have read your posts for MANY years and thank you for your contributions to the arts...... Greg Hindley --__--__-- Message: 5 To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Thu, 01 Jan 2009 22:46:59 -0500 From: zisheged@aol.com Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Imagine Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Imagine this....I have a dojang the size of a full court basketball court. That was my great fortune. I have an olympic pool and full weight gym all in my facility. I could accomodate several hundred students if I chose. Imagine how fortunate all the other masters are in my town that I continually turn students away!? They have a student base because I don't take everyone. I take my amount of highly qualified students because I want to do something very special. I want a tkd player that fights like a champ and looks like one. When I turn away a student I provide a list of dojangs they can attend. I made 6th dan by training hard, fighting hard and by being in great condition. I can still kick head high and I'm 59. God bless all of you that will train a broad spectrum of students. That is wonderful! If you lived in my town you would thank me as my fellow masters do when I recommend them to other schools. My students have placed 1st and 2nd place in most inter-martial arts compe titions regularly defeating karate students. I will never change one iota and I hope you guys don't either. TKD needs us all! The inclusive, the exclusive, the benign and the fierce. We all share the code of the Hwa Rang Do and writing here shows our eternal dedication.? Now...drop and give me 30!!!!!!!!!!! Zeishe --__--__-- Message: 6 From: "Thomas Gordon" To: Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Re: Imagine Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 22:42:21 -0600 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I've watched this thread with amazement. We ALL have standards that we live by. We don't take three year olds - some do. That doesn't necessarily make them bad - they just provide a different service than we do. Some teach ways to twist wrists and some teach ways to kick the stuffing outta people. This fella runs a bad boy program - power to him. We don't want any pooh black belts (several steps below "bad boy gym") - works within my clear conscious. If a black belt candidate can't do a little physical fitness test there's another school in our town that will be glad to sell them a black belt. If we all provide the exact same services, we'd all be in a heap of trouble. Sincerely, Thomas Gordon Master's Seminars on April 17-19, 2009 www.GordonMartialArts.com/new/2009-0419 --__--__-- Message: 7 From: Dennis Overall To: "the_dojang@martialartsresource.net" Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Re: It doesn't end there! Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 10:00:56 -0500 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hi Jye, Coconut oil? Please tell us more. May be something an old kicker like me would like to try for the aches and pains. Ibuprophen is my best friend other than Jesus. Respectfully, O> Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 19:44:42 -0800> From: kingjye@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Re: It doesn't end there!> To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net> > Hi Mr. Hindley,> > I'm sorry to hear about your situation. Just remember it ain't over> until you decide it's over. When I read about your condition, the first> thought that came to mind was coconut oil- cold pressed virgin coconut> oil. Please look into that and you can drop me a line privately if> you'd like.> > > > Jye> > --- On Thu, 1/1/09, Greg Hindley wrote:> > > Jye...I have read your posts for MANY years and thank you for your> contributions to the arts......> > Greg Hindley> _______________________________________________> The_Dojang mailing list, 2,400 members> The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net> Copyright 1994-2009: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource> Standard disclaimers apply > Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://the-dojang.net _________________________________________________________________ Send e-mail faster without improving your typing skills. http://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_speed_122 008 --__--__-- Message: 8 From: Dennis Overall To: "the_dojang@martialartsresource.net" Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Re: Imagine Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 10:22:36 -0500 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I agree with Z on some points, I am not a babysitter. I have a small school and I will accept the challenge of most any situation. Parents ask me to let their 4 year olds and 5 year olds try martial arts. I accept them, if they can handle what we do fine. I always teach a couple of private sessions to the new student so that they are orientated in how the class is conducted and can follow without getting totally lost. Some however lack the maturity to grasp the idea of training, some come with thinking their at a play ground, they quit on their own when they discover that martial arts is hard work. I was a track coach for awhile, same thing. Started with sixty guys, by the forth week we had twenty-five. I say to you Z..go ahead and let these people sign under your flag, if they have what it takes, more power to them, if they don't they will quit on their own. Sometimes people will fool you, that skinny shy kid may grow up to be your best champion ever and it would be only because you believed in him or her. Be bold take a chance. Respectfully, O _________________________________________________________________ Send e-mail faster without improving your typing skills. http://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_speed_122 008 --__--__-- Message: 9 From: "Gordon Okerstrom" To: Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 09:47:33 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] MA GAMES Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Happy New Year! We are having a Buddy Day soon and I was wanting to play some games with the students in the dojang. Does anyone have a game that has worked well for them that they would like to share? Gordon Okerstrom --__--__-- Message: 10 Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 08:00:37 -0800 From: The_Dojang To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Message from WTF President Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I extend my heartfelt appreciation to all the taekwondo family who placed the utmost efforts and time to promote taekwondo around the world throughout the previous years. Taekwondo is part of the Olympic Movement, and strives to realize the Olympic spirit shared by the taekwondo family and by our 188 member nations. Taekwondo seeks promotion of harmony and world peace through training and its educational program, sharing the value of Olympism with the world. As an expression of our commitment to contribute to world peace, the WTF launched its ambitious Taekwondo Peace Corps project in the summer of 2008, and dispatched seven teams of taekwondo instructors to five countries - Russia (Moscow), India (Mumbai and Goa), Pakistan (Islamabad), Paraguay (Asuncion), and China (Qingdao and Urumqi) for one month. The Taekwondo Peace Corps teams were warmly welcomed and appreciated by the host countries. The impressive turnout at the training and enthusiasm certainly reflected the yearning of the local youth for an opportunity to learn and practice taekwondo. The Taekwondo Peace Corps presented an opportunity and resources to children to enjoy and play as well as to share a vision of never-ending hope, optimism, and confidence. Witnessing the positive evaluation and education effect of the activities, the Taekwondo Peace Corps program will continue, targeting on more recipients and a larger number of countries. The project will not be confined only to Koreans or solely based in Korea. The establishment of the Taekwondo Peace Corps worldwide will be encouraged with its bases in as many countries as possible and by incorporating qualified taekwondo instructors of different nationalities. The expansion will be founded on a close consultation with the WTF member national associations around the globe. Taekwondo is no longer a sport solely for Koreans. At the 2008 Beijing Olympic Games, a total of 128 taekwondo athletes from 64 countries competed for 32 medals, of which athletes from 22 countries won at least one medal. Taekwondo granted the first Olympic medal to Afghanistan, which we hope is a step toward uniting the war-torn country. This demonstrates that technical levels of taekwondo have been evenly enhanced throughout the world and the fairness in taekwondo competitions has much improved. The WTF will continue to do its best to improve fair judging and refereeing. At the Beijing Olympic Games, we have reconfirmed our resolution to make every competition results transparent and fair. Learning from the experience, we will place our concerted effort to assure fairness and sportsmanship in the upcoming WTF-promoted/sanctioned competitions. For this, we aim to introduce an electronic body protector system and an instant video replay system that can cross-check any controversy over the referee decisions. Since my inauguration as the WTF President in 2004, the WTF has carried out various reform measures to correct the wrong practices and to raise the standard of our sport federation to the global standard. Thus far, we have accomplished much. There has been considerable change in every respect. We are now opening a new chapter to surge another wave of change for the creation of a new image of taekwondo. Our new tasks are to make competitions more exciting, to ensure transparency and internationalization of the administration of the WTF, and to pursue transparent and fair competitions. The WTF has appointed new Technical Committee members and chairpersons of competition, games, education, referee committees, whose passion and enthusiasm will surely make a difference. The WTF organized a Joint Technical Meeting to review and amend the WTF Competition Rules. I also look forward to the implementation of the world athlete ranking system, which will no doubt be an exciting new venture for our athletes and taekwondo enthusiasts. With your support and affection, I am certain that our endeavor will have positively contribute to keeping taekwondo in the Olympic program of 2016, which may be decided at the IOC Session in Copenhagen, Denmark, in October 2009. Dear taekwondo family members, We are at the crucial juncture that may determine our course toward the future of taekwondo. We should not lose our focus. We need to work together to search for ways for the better future of taekwondo. We should concentrate undivided attention to keep taekwondo as a permanent Olympic sport. I urge everyone to give full support to the WTF to overcome challenges of any kind. We know what the ultimate goal of the taekwondo-loving people should be. And we will achieve it with pride and confidence. Let there be hope and vision. Chungwon Choue President WTF --__--__-- Message: 11 From: "Stovall, Craig" To: Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 16:55:16 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] What do you want to improve upon Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net <<< What better way to kick off the new year then with a discussion about what we'd like to improve on in the MA. For me, I want to improve upon a few things, first my overall body condition, I've been inspired by my comrades (calisthenics king, bartendaz, etc) seen here:>>> I luv the bartendaz. Before I do a pullup I have to scream, "ELEVATAHS ON 'EM!!!". Ok, not really. Let us know how that goes. It's one of my "resolutions" to spend more time on the pullup/dip bars this year. 2008 was all about the barbell. I got stronger and bigger, but my joints are all beat to hell. More bodyweight stuff this year for me, along with stretching, and band work. Do the bartendaz actually have routines? I thought you just cranked 'Soulja Boy' and then rattled off as many pullups as you could do. Ok, not really. Craig "Hanging out at the bar" Stovall CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE This e-mail contains privileged and confidential information which is the property of Nucor, intended only for the use of the intended recipient(s). Unauthorized use or disclosure of this information is prohibited. If you are not an intended recipient, please immediately notify Nucor and destroy any copies of this email. 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