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RE: MA GAMES (Dennis Overall) 2. We all make choices that effect what our schools are like... (Erik Kluzek) 3. Re: Re: It doesn't end there! (Beth Hicks) 4. RE: Re: It doesn't end there! (Jye nigma) 5. Re: The silver medal (zisheged@aol.com) 6. RE: Re: Imagine (Jye nigma) 7. Re: What do you want to improve upon (Beth Hicks) 8. Re: Re: Imagine (Beth Hicks) 9. Re: MA GAMES (Beth Hicks) 10. RE: What do you want to improve upon (Thomas Gordon) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: Dennis Overall To: "the_dojang@martialartsresource.net" Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] MA GAMES Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 19:14:35 -0500 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net two students face each other in a horse stance. both have their hands up with palms facing one another. try to off balance one another by striking palms and nothing else. if you touch any thing but hands the other gets a point. if you move your feet, the other gets a point go to ten. first one with ten points wins. two students face opposite directions foot to foot. grab hands in hands shaking position. try to make the other move their feet by pulling, bending knees and pulling, jerking back and forth, using different combinations. if one moves feet or falls the other gets a point. first one to ten wins. Kids love this type of compitition. Master O > From: gordon@baes.com> To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net> Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 09:47:33 -0600> Subject: [The_Dojang] MA GAMES> > Happy New Year! We are having a Buddy Day soon and I was wanting to play> some games with the students in the dojang. Does anyone have a game that> has worked well for them that they would like to share?> > Gordon Okerstrom> _______________________________________________> The_Dojang mailing list, 2,400 members> The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net> Copyright 1994-2009: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource> Standard disclaimers apply > Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://the-dojang.net _________________________________________________________________ Send e-mail anywhere. No map, no compass. http://windowslive.com/oneline/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_anywhere _122008 --__--__-- Message: 2 From: Erik Kluzek To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 17:43:40 -0700 Subject: [The_Dojang] We all make choices that effect what our schools are like... Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Zeishe Even though I've taken a different tack -- I do applaud you on several levels. And I agree with Jye that we should back off on cutt'n on you. You've focussed on what you want to accomplish in your own martial arts world and in your students. And you've produced an environment of excellence and the highest achievement. That's fantastic. You also don't claim that yours is the only way to run a do-jang -- but agree there should be diversity. I think we should celebrate that on both counts. Sometimes, the elitist crowd -- claims they should be the only way -- and I don't think that's right. Now, in my situation one of the things I wanted to do was to create a school environment that worked for my own kids. One of my kids is in the Autism spectrum and is very ADHD. Another one was extremely tenacious -- but had a terrible time learning forms. Each time it was almost like starting over. My other son, has done very well -- but in the beginning was very timid so it's taken him a while to get up to fighting form. Anyway, as such part of what I've tried our school to be -- is a place for the non-athletic and kids that struggle to go to. So you could say -- I'm very inclusive -- but wait think about it! How does my school do for kids that are athletic and gifted and potential national champions? Well -- frankly they are going to be better off at a school more like Zeishe's. Your dojang is going to tend to have students that are similar to you as the instructor and similar to other students on your rolls. That's just human psychology -- you try to be around folks like you. Now, you can work at diversity -- but the bigger the differences -- the more work you're going to need to do to bridge the gap. And by diversity, I mean all aspects of diversity: race, ethnicity, religion, socio-economic, as well as athletic giftedness. Personally I'm happy that we've got some racial diversity in our school, and we do have some kids that are more athletic -- but no super A's. The more athletic bunch advances faster than the rest, which is how it should be as well. Fortunately the other kids still keep coming and working on the things they need to improve at though. The point of view that I got from my instructor was that the super A's would do good everywhere. What are you doing to help the masses? The answer I had at the time was about a student I had at the time who had polio when he was young -- so some of his muscles had atrophied -- but by doing TKD he could actually walk better. Now, I've got more stories than that -- but it has been the focus I've been concentrating on -- helping those with struggles to develop in the martial arts. Anyway, my point is -- the thing that Zeishe has right -- is focus. He's focussing on a segment that he can really make progress at. We should all do that -- find a segment or focus you can really develop to excellence. Let some other aspects go -- your dojang can't be everything to everybody -- you'll be a jack-of-all-trades and master of none! > Imagine this....I have a dojang the size of a full court basketball > court. That was my great fortune. I have an olympic pool and full > weight gym all in my facility. I could accomodate several hundred > students if I chose. Imagine how fortunate all the other masters are > in my town that I continually turn students away!? They have a > student base because I don't take everyone. I take my amount of > highly qualified students because I want to do something very > special. I want a tkd player that fights like a champ and looks like > one. When I turn away a student I provide a list of dojangs they can > attend. I made 6th dan by training hard, fighting hard and by being > in great condition. I can still kick head high and I'm 59. God bless > all of you that will train a broad spectrum of students. That is > wonderful! If you lived in my town you would thank me as my fellow > masters do when I recommend them to other schools. My students have > placed 1st and 2nd place in most inter-martial arts competitions > regularly defeating karate students. I will never change one iota > and I hope you guys don't either. TKD needs us all! The inclusive, > the exclusive, the benign and the fierce. We all share the code of > the Hwa Rang Do and writing here shows our eternal dedication.? > Now...drop and give me 30!!!!!!!!!!! Erik Kluzek Head Instructor Colorado Blue Wave Martial Arts http://www.coloradobluewave.org !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2009 10:32:55 +0900 From: "Beth Hicks" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Re: It doesn't end there! Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net you may try E-chim... auricular acupuncture, the process is a bit painful, but better in the long run for aches and pains, and a generally better functioning body. i would send the link to the e0chim website, but it's all korean, and they haven't gotten the english website up yet. >_< --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 16:41:08 -0800 (PST) From: Jye nigma Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Re: It doesn't end there! To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Well coconut oil (cold pressed, virgin) has some incredible healing properties when ingested especially for the immune system. As far as the joints, the only thing I've come across has to deal with arthritis, but not normal (or maybe not so normal) wear and tear. So I'm not too sure about the aching joints.   Jye --- On Fri, 1/2/09, Dennis Overall wrote: From: Dennis Overall Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Re: It doesn't end there! To: "the_dojang@martialartsresource.net" Date: Friday, January 2, 2009, 10:00 AM Hi Jye, Coconut oil? Please tell us more. May be something an old kicker like me would like to try for the aches and pains. Ibuprophen is my best friend other than Jesus. Respectfully, O> Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 19:44:42 -0800> From: kingjye@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Re: It doesn't end there!> To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net> > Hi Mr. Hindley,> > I'm sorry to hear about your situation. Just remember it ain't over> until you decide it's over. When I read about your condition, the first> thought that came to mind was coconut oil- cold pressed virgin coconut> oil. Please look into that and you can drop me a line privately if> you'd like.> > > > Jye> > --- On Thu, 1/1/09, Greg Hindley wrote:> > > Jye...I have read your posts for MANY years and thank you for your> contributions to the arts......> > Greg Hindley> _______________________________________________> The_Dojang mailing list, 2,400 members> The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net> Copyright 1994-2009: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource> Standard disclaimers apply > Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://the-dojang.net _________________________________________________________________ Send e-mail faster without improving your typing skills. http://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_speed_122 008 _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 2,400 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2009: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://the-dojang.net --__--__-- Message: 5 To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Fri, 02 Jan 2009 20:15:08 -0500 From: zisheged@aol.com Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: The silver medal Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Some time ago I refereed a tournament in New Jersey. This is a task I usually enjoy quite a bit but something I saw truly distressed me. I saw a young man that by outward appearance seemed muscular and agile. I watched him practice his kicks and his forms. This kid had the stuff to be a great tkd player. He sparred very well in his first matches but after the bout I refereed, he went on to the final bout which was judged by a grandmaster. The boy fought valiantly but lost and got the silver medal. He threw it on the ground and refused to accept it. My comments: I wish I could be 2nd best in all the things I did in life! If he were my student, I would tell him that his rank was dropped by two grades and he would not be allowed back in my dojang. In my opinion, mean old hardass that I am, there is nothing worse than poor sportsmanship and arrogance. That kid was a disgrace to martial arts. I truly invite your comments. Zeishe --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 16:43:29 -0800 (PST) From: Jye nigma Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Re: Imagine To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net We've discussed students who can't do certain things, but what about on the other side. What do you all think about a teacher who is obese and can't perform certain things properly maybe their kicks are sloppy or technique isn't very sharp?   Jye --- On Thu, 1/1/09, Thomas Gordon wrote: From: Thomas Gordon Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Re: Imagine To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Thursday, January 1, 2009, 11:42 PM I've watched this thread with amazement. We ALL have standards that we live by. We don't take three year olds - some do. That doesn't necessarily make them bad - they just provide a different service than we do. Some teach ways to twist wrists and some teach ways to kick the stuffing outta people. This fella runs a bad boy program - power to him. We don't want any pooh black belts (several steps below "bad boy gym") - works within my clear conscious. If a black belt candidate can't do a little physical fitness test there's another school in our town that will be glad to sell them a black belt. If we all provide the exact same services, we'd all be in a heap of trouble. Sincerely, Thomas Gordon Master's Seminars on April 17-19, 2009 www.GordonMartialArts.com/new/2009-0419 _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 2,400 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2009: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://the-dojang.net --__--__-- Message: 7 Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2009 10:38:05 +0900 From: "Beth Hicks" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] What do you want to improve upon Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net mine would be to lose enough weight to do the hardest kicks properly... i would name them, but i only know the names in korean >_<, work on my horizontal splits... the vertical is perfect.... but the horiztonal... -_-;; and i need to learn to be more gentle with my MA classmates... On Sat, Jan 3, 2009 at 7:55 AM, Stovall, Craig wrote: > <<< What better way to kick off the new year then with a discussion > about what we'd like to improve on in the MA. For me, I want to improve > upon a few things, first my overall body condition, I've been inspired > by my comrades (calisthenics king, bartendaz, etc) seen here:>>> > > > > I luv the bartendaz. Before I do a pullup I have to scream, "ELEVATAHS > ON 'EM!!!". > > > > Ok, not really. > > > > Let us know how that goes. It's one of my "resolutions" to spend more > time on the pullup/dip bars this year. 2008 was all about the barbell. > I got stronger and bigger, but my joints are all beat to hell. More > bodyweight stuff this year for me, along with stretching, and band work. > > > > Do the bartendaz actually have routines? I thought you just cranked > 'Soulja Boy' and then rattled off as many pullups as you could do. > > > > Ok, not really. > > > > Craig "Hanging out at the bar" Stovall > > > > > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE > > This e-mail contains privileged and confidential information which is the > property of Nucor, intended only for the use of the intended recipient(s). > Unauthorized use or disclosure of this information is prohibited. If you > are > not an intended recipient, please immediately notify Nucor and destroy any > copies of this email. Receipt of this e-mail shall not be deemed a waiver > by > Nucor of any privilege or the confidential nature of the information. > _______________________________________________ > The_Dojang mailing list, 2,400 members > The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2009: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://the-dojang.net --__--__-- Message: 8 Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2009 10:34:39 +0900 From: "Beth Hicks" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Re: Imagine Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net or like me... the tall fat foreign girl(foreign in Korea i mean), just may lose 60 pounds and become a black belt. he he he On Sat, Jan 3, 2009 at 12:22 AM, Dennis Overall wrote: > I agree with Z on some points, I am not a babysitter. I have a small > school > and I will accept the challenge of most any situation. Parents ask me to > let > their 4 year olds and 5 year olds try martial arts. I accept them, if they > can handle what we do fine. I always teach a couple of private sessions to > the new student so that they are orientated in how the class is conducted > and > can follow without getting totally lost. Some however lack the maturity to > grasp the idea of training, some come with thinking their at a play ground, > they quit on their own when they discover that martial arts is hard work. > I > was a track coach for awhile, same thing. Started with sixty guys, by the > forth week we had twenty-five. I say to you Z..go ahead and let these > people > sign under your flag, if they have what it takes, more power to them, if > they > don't they will quit on their own. Sometimes people will fool you, that > skinny shy kid may grow up to be your best champion ever and it would be > only > because you believed in him or her. Be bold take a chance. > > Respectfully, > > O > _________________________________________________________________ > Send e-mail faster without improving your typing skills. > > http://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_speed_122 > 008 > _______________________________________________ > The_Dojang mailing list, 2,400 members > The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2009: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://the-dojang.net --__--__-- Message: 9 Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2009 10:43:39 +0900 From: "Beth Hicks" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] MA GAMES Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net buy a giant rubber band... i mean a strong rubber string or something... like 12 feet long, and make it into a rubber band..., now have two students put one side of the rubber band around their waist back to each other, and have two instructors with targets in front of each student and have them do front kicks while pulling away from each other.... it's ike rubberband front kick tug of war... it's way fun, and great exercise. be careful with the stronger adults (if you choose to do it with adults) it may snap and leave a painful welt on the backside of some poor unfortunate MA'ist (is that even used?) backside >_<... still way fun though. *^__^* On Sat, Jan 3, 2009 at 9:14 AM, Dennis Overall wrote: > two students face each other in a horse stance. > both have their hands up with palms facing one another. > try to off balance one another by striking palms and nothing else. > if you touch any thing but hands the other gets a point. > if you move your feet, the other gets a point > go to ten. > first one with ten points wins. > > two students face opposite directions foot to foot. > grab hands in hands shaking position. > try to make the other move their feet by pulling, bending knees and > pulling, > jerking back and forth, using different combinations. > if one moves feet or falls the other gets a point. > first one to ten wins. > > Kids love this type of compitition. > > Master O > > > > From: gordon@baes.com> To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net> Date: > Fri, 2 > Jan 2009 09:47:33 -0600> Subject: [The_Dojang] MA GAMES> > Happy New Year! > We > are having a Buddy Day soon and I was wanting to play> some games with > the > students in the dojang. Does anyone have a game that> has worked well for > them > that they would like to share?> > Gordon Okerstrom> > _______________________________________________> The_Dojang mailing list, > 2,400 members> The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net> Copyright 1994-2009: > Ray > Terry and Martial Arts Resource> Standard disclaimers apply > Subscribe or > Unsubscribe: http://the-dojang.net > _________________________________________________________________ > Send e-mail anywhere. No map, no compass. > > http://windowslive.com/oneline/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_anywhere > _122008 > _______________________________________________ > The_Dojang mailing list, 2,400 members > The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2009: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://the-dojang.net --__--__-- Message: 10 From: "Thomas Gordon" To: Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] What do you want to improve upon Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 21:27:02 -0600 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net "What better way to kick off the new year then with a discussion about what we'd like to improve on in the MA." I'm trying to drop a little more weight. Amped up cardio to three times a week for one hour followed by a hour of weight training. Too bad I love sweets. *sigh* Sincerely, Thomas Gordon Master's Seminars on April 17-19, 2009 www.GordonMartialArts.com/new/2009-0419 --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2009: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest