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Re: Message from WTF President (Lee Morgan) 2. Re: Re: It doesn't end there! (Lee Morgan) 3. RE: MA GAMES (Jye nigma) 4. RE: What do you want to improve upon (Ray) 5. RE: Re: Imagine (Rick Clark) 6. RE: Re: The silver medal (Lee Morgan) 7. Re: Obese instructor (zisheged@aol.com) 8. RE: What do you want to improve upon (Jye nigma) 9. Re: Message from WTF President (The_Dojang) 10. RE: What do you want to improve upon (Thomas Gordon) 11. Re: MA GAMES (Curt McCauley) 12. Re: MA GAMES (Curt McCauley) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 23:12:02 -0500 From: "Lee Morgan" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Message from WTF President Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Master Chungwon Choue, President of the WTF wrote: "I urge everyone to give full support to the WTF to overcome challenges of any kind. We know what the ultimate goal of the taekwondo-loving people should be. And we will achieve it with pride and confidence. Let there be hope and vision." Maybe I'm reading this wrong, but after reading his whole message the thing that kept jumping out at me was that the ultimate goal of taekwondo-loving people should be to make TKD a better sport and to recruit more people into TKD. Yes, I read the part about promoting harmoney and world peace, but most of it was about improving TKD as a sport. There is, of course, nothing wrong with competition. I use to compete myself when I was younger. And I'm glad to hear about improvements that are designed to remove any biased decisions from the judges. I remember back in the eighties, if you were up against a Korean, you had to knock him out or beat him so bad that he wouldn't answer the second round call in order to win. Things have gotten much better in that area at least. But still, there doesn't seem to be any thoughts of improving TKD as a MARTIAL ART by the leaders of the WTF. I've said this before and I'll say it again: TKD IS marketed to the general public as a method of self-defense (among other things), but the rules for Olympic style sparring are just the opposite of what the rules should be if you had to fight for your life or the life of your loved ones. Yes, I will concede that the attitude of competition may help you in a self-defense situation---but the reflex reactions that Olympic style sparring generates may cause the student to get hurt worse than if the student had no training. This is because in real life, you want to execute the technique that causes the most damage in the least amount of time AND leaves you protected from any counter attacks. Perhaps I'm in the minority here, but I believe TKD is vast enough that it should be able to help students meet several goals---including self-defense. Isn't there any way that the WTF could also focus on improving TKD for self-defense as well?? Lee Morgan --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 23:17:14 -0500 From: "Lee Morgan" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Re: It doesn't end there! Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Mr. Greg Hindley, You sir, are an inspiration to many!! I will be praying that God gives you strength for the fight you're in. The core of martial arts is in the heart, not the body------but by reading your post I'm sure you are well aware of that already. Lee Morgan --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 20:16:04 -0800 (PST) From: Jye nigma Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] MA GAMES To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Here's one similar to my sensitivity training....   Blind fold a child. Everyone stands around that child in a circle. someone walk towards the kid and the kid's job is to use his other senses to detect the person coming towards him before he gets tagged.. *This is fun for kids and a useful drill.   Jye --- On Fri, 1/2/09, Dennis Overall wrote: From: Dennis Overall Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] MA GAMES To: "the_dojang@martialartsresource.net" Date: Friday, January 2, 2009, 7:14 PM two students face each other in a horse stance. both have their hands up with palms facing one another. try to off balance one another by striking palms and nothing else. if you touch any thing but hands the other gets a point. if you move your feet, the other gets a point go to ten. first one with ten points wins. two students face opposite directions foot to foot. grab hands in hands shaking position. try to make the other move their feet by pulling, bending knees and pulling, jerking back and forth, using different combinations. if one moves feet or falls the other gets a point. first one to ten wins. Kids love this type of compitition. Master O > From: gordon@baes.com> To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net> Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 09:47:33 -0600> Subject: [The_Dojang] MA GAMES> > Happy New Year! We are having a Buddy Day soon and I was wanting to play> some games with the students in the dojang. Does anyone have a game that> has worked well for them that they would like to share?> > Gordon Okerstrom> _______________________________________________> The_Dojang mailing list, 2,400 members> The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net> Copyright 1994-2009: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource> Standard disclaimers apply > Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://the-dojang.net _________________________________________________________________ Send e-mail anywhere. No map, no compass. http://windowslive.com/oneline/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_anywhere _122008 _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 2,400 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2009: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://the-dojang.net --__--__-- Message: 4 From: Ray To: The_Dojang Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] What do you want to improve upon Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 20:05:30 -0800 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net To do one perfect front kick... Ray --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2009 08:01:23 -0600 (CST) From: Rick Clark Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Re: Imagine To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hi Zeishe, On Thu, Jan 1, 2009 at 10:46 PM, zisheged@aol.com wrote: > Imagine this....I have a dojang the size of a full court basketball > court. That was my great fortune. I have an olympic pool and full > weight gym all in my facility. Zeishe This sounds like an impressive Dochang! Where are you located, you never know I may be in your area and would love to take a look at your school. Rick Clark --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 23:26:27 -0500 From: "Lee Morgan" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: Re: The silver medal Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hey Zeishe, wasn't it Mr. Miyagi in the first Karate Kid that said "there are no bad students, just bad teacher. Teacher say, student do."? I believe this kid is an example of what training without balance does. For example, if we train just for competition, then competition can be the most important goal. Or, if we train just for self-defense, then being able to fight well can be the most important goal, etc, etc..... No balance. Lee Morgan --__--__-- Message: 7 To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2009 00:23:03 -0500 From: zisheged@aol.com Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Obese instructor Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I've seen first hand a few instructors that were overweight and performed quite well. They also had excellent fitness. I can't explain why it is that such a person that has such skill and fitness is overweight but for me it's not an issue. I wish to share something interesting. Tiger Schulman makes as part of his advertising, that not only will you?learn self defense but he will also assure you that you will look great too! Recently one of his instructors had an illness and put on a great deal of weight. Schulman fired him and the instructor sued and won. This is an issue for which I had some great interest. The instructor had already accomplished his rank and his sudden weight gain was unavoidable. However, this is an important issue, Schulman makes it abundantly clear that fitness is extremely important and that he markets his school around a "look". I wouldn not have fired that instructor. I would have given him a 3 month leave where he could attend to his health. In this case I think you have to judge the situation much the same as a model agency where a model gains weight. At my age, I could not participate in MMA. I probably never could develop as a heavy weight class fighter in UFC. That is the state of my ability and I wouldn't dare presume that I should be included unless I have the right stuff. I won countless tournaments in my day and am proud of what I did and can still do. There will come the day when I won't be able to do the things I can now do. For me it would mean that I would gracefully surrender the things of my youth and let a younger more capable teacher take over. That is MY personal choice. Please don't think I'm advocating forced retirement. Z --__--__-- Message: 8 Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 20:22:58 -0800 (PST) From: Jye nigma Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] What do you want to improve upon To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Yeah sweets will do it to ya. My basic regimen (I may have mentioned it here before sorry if I have) is when I get up I drink 52 oz of water. Then I go ahead and juice fruits/veggies and drink about 3 cups of that.... Well now, I still do my 52oz of water but now with about a teaspoon or so of apple cider vinegar. I know a little about apple cider vinegar, but one thing I didn't know was that it's been curving my appetite. So on my regular deal, after I drink the 52 oz I'd be hungry and then a little later I'd drink my fresh fruit juice, but now with the apple cider vinegar, the crazy thing is when I get hungry it's much later on in the day, sometimes in the evening. If anyone is gonna try it, I'd suggest using a straw to keep the acid from getting on your teeth. Other then that, I cut out sugar as much as possible because I am THE ORIGINAL cookie monster! lol. I go bananas over sweets so I had to just chill out with eating all the sweets...lol.   Jye --- On Fri, 1/2/09, Thomas Gordon wrote: From: Thomas Gordon Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] What do you want to improve upon To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Friday, January 2, 2009, 10:27 PM "What better way to kick off the new year then with a discussion about what we'd like to improve on in the MA." I'm trying to drop a little more weight. Amped up cardio to three times a week for one hour followed by a hour of weight training. Too bad I love sweets. *sigh* Sincerely, Thomas Gordon Master's Seminars on April 17-19, 2009 www.GordonMartialArts.com/new/2009-0419 _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 2,400 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2009: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://the-dojang.net --__--__-- Message: 9 Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2009 08:30:56 -0800 From: The_Dojang To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Message from WTF President Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > Isn't there any way that the WTF could also focus on improving TKD for self-defense as well?? Probably not. Kukki-TKD has been primarily a sport in Korea for the last 40 years. And now that it is in the Olympics it is the primary job of the WTF to keep it there. You can be pure self-defense oriented and still be part of Kukki-TKD, but you'll never have the full attention of the WTF since it is a sports organization. Ray --__--__-- Message: 10 From: "Thomas Gordon" To: Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] What do you want to improve upon Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2009 13:09:17 -0600 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net "I know a little about apple cider vinegar, but one thing I didn't know was that it's been curving my appetite." HA! Yeah, I'm thinking vinegar might curve my appetite too. LOL! A buddy of mine cut out sweets, soft drinks, and sweet tea - dropped 70lbs in six months. Amazing. Thanks for the info - I'll be working on different things this year. One of the things I'll work on is "push aways." Some of you folks may not have heard about this exercise and it can be quite intense and even traumatic for some people. It's pretty simple to explain really because all you do is "push away" from the table. :) Sincerely, Thomas Gordon Master's Seminars on April 17-19, 2009 www.GordonMartialArts.com/new/2009-0419 --__--__-- Message: 11 From: "Curt McCauley" To: Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2009 14:30:02 -0800 Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: MA GAMES Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hello again, During class today I was thinking about the "Games" subject, which led me to the most recent debate or conversation about the practicality of Hyungs or forms. Part of the martial arts, in my opinion is self discovery. I know in some of the Japanese/Okinawan arts showing applications to Kata is part of the testing experience. Often in our classes I will take pieces out of a form and create my idea of what can be done with that particular sequence as a partner drill. After the class has practiced that for a while. I partner them up again, and have them choose a sequence from a specific form, and give them a 15 - 20 minute assignment to develope their own application. Then we have a spectacular demonstration from each of the pairs. Once again, everyone benefits from this exercise, including the teacher. Repectfully, Curt McCauley Channel Town Soo Bahk Do --__--__-- Message: 12 From: "Curt McCauley" To: Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] MA GAMES Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2009 14:30:22 -0800 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Start with the most junior student. Ask them what their favorite technique is. Have the class do a row of these. Ask the next junior to add to that technique, another row doing both. Then the third. and the forth. Pretty soon you have a set with as many techniques as students. (if the class is large, it can be broken down to several different sets.) This be comes a memory game, a challenge at my age. Also the students start finding which technique flows best with the one before it. After you have done this, you can take sections of the combos, and create partner drills using the same sets. The attacker uses the existing sets, and the defender has to make up defensive manuevers. Then the attacker/ defender switch roles. The instructor can get an hour training easily with this Game (?) and the students as well as the instructor find combos they may never had thought of. I have found that this is fun for kids of ALL ages. My students range from 7 to 77. Respectfully submitted, Curt McCauley Channel Town Soo Bahk Do --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2009: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest