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Re: Sammo (aburrese@aol.com) 2. To Zeishe (firstpe315@aol.com) 3. Golden State Open (Ray) 4. Re: Re: Obese Instructor (Jye nigma) 5. Re: To Zeishe (Jye nigma) 6. Re: Re: Sammo (Jye nigma) --__--__-- Message: 1 To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2009 14:06:55 -0500 From: aburrese@aol.com Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Sammo Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Sammo Hung was a good sized fellow that seemed to move it pretty well... Ray ************************ I remember the TV show he had a few years back. Someone said something about him being out of shape and his reply was, "no, just fat." And then he proceeded to kick butt. Alain www.burrese.com --__--__-- Message: 2 To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2009 13:54:37 -0500 From: firstpe315@aol.com Subject: [The_Dojang] To Zeishe Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Well, I'm always a day late and dollar short but that's my life. I also have read this threat with some interest and although I don't fault you for your philosophy, I certainly don't share it either. Although I don't have many students and never have, I have some "warrior-minded" black-belts that could hang with any fighter from any school and I have a contingent of old, unflexible, injured students who are not as warrior-minded per se or athletically gifted.??On one hand, they will never attain what some of my other students do and they aren't quite as much fun to watch and I may not brag about them in my own mind like I do others.? However, having said that...I consider it a great skill as a teacher, one that others may not have perhaps, to figure out how to give them enough, to improve on something enough or to teach them something that they can use in their life to make them better at what they do, even with limitations.? I have been a basketball coach for many years and I'll tell you that only attitude will stop a great athlete from becoming great.? I can teach the fundamentals to a great athlete and they will fly.? That's easy and honestly doesn't take great coaching to do it.? I have always prided myself on being a "development" type coach in that I love picking out the worst player on the team...and by seasons end, they're better and respected by others.? Perhaps I teach MA by the same token but I find it more rewarding and? more difficult to do that.? I only feel a bit saddened by the fact that you likely have not experienced that with the standards you set. In all due respect, with those standards, I would hazard to say that any good teacher on this board could produce the same results as you have.? What you may have to ask, is can you do the same with less...that, to me, is the mark of a good instructor. Jeff --__--__-- Message: 3 From: Ray To: The_Dojang Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 13:01:32 -0800 Subject: [The_Dojang] Golden State Open Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net 13th Annual Golden State Open TKD Chip March 14, 2009 California State Polytechnic University Pomona, CA For more info: 626.286.6500 or FAX 626.286.3383. gsotkd@hotmail.com Wung Hee Lee, Tournament Director --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 12:52:10 -0800 (PST) From: Jye nigma Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Re: Obese Instructor To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net That's right it's all discipline and planning. Jye --- On Mon, 1/5/09, Beth Hicks wrote: > From: Beth Hicks > Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Re: Obese Instructor > To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > Date: Monday, January 5, 2009, 3:44 AM > one name.... Sammo Hung. Jackie Chan's friend... he has > a differnet chinese > name, korean name and english name, but he was in the movie > Hapkido (aka > Lady Kung Fu) look him up... he a chunky fella, and fast! I > myself am > overweight. Through Hapkido i've lost 60 pounds, and > still going... just > like many other things... it's a state of mind. > that's the difference > between sports and true martial arts. --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 12:45:11 -0800 (PST) From: Jye nigma Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] To Zeishe To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Now let me ask a question. What is the difference between a teacher who teaches everyone but picks the top of the line (as they see them) students to teach more intensely? Now I have no problem with Zeishe doing what he does. I don't think it's any different then taking your best students for whatever reason and creating a team for them. The only difference is that he is bypassing teaching everyone. To me that's not a problem. Jye --- On Mon, 1/5/09, firstpe315@aol.com wrote: > From: firstpe315@aol.com > Subject: [The_Dojang] To Zeishe > To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > Date: Monday, January 5, 2009, 1:54 PM > Well, I'm always a day late and dollar short but > that's my life. > > I also have read this threat with some interest and > although I don't fault you for your philosophy, I > certainly don't share it either. > > Although I don't have many students and never have, I > have some "warrior-minded" black-belts that could > hang with any fighter from any school and I have a > contingent of old, unflexible, injured students who are not > as warrior-minded per se or athletically gifted.??On one > hand, they will never attain what some of my other students > do and they aren't quite as much fun to watch and I may > not brag about them in my own mind like I do others.? > > However, having said that...I consider it a great skill as > a teacher, one that others may not have perhaps, to figure > out how to give them enough, to improve on something enough > or to teach them something that they can use in their life > to make them better at what they do, even with limitations.? > > > I have been a basketball coach for many years and I'll > tell you that only attitude will stop a great athlete from > becoming great.? I can teach the fundamentals to a great > athlete and they will fly.? That's easy and honestly > doesn't take great coaching to do it.? I have always > prided myself on being a "development" type coach > in that I love picking out the worst player on the > team...and by seasons end, they're better and respected > by others.? Perhaps I teach MA by the same token but I find > it more rewarding and? more difficult to do that.? I only > feel a bit saddened by the fact that you likely have not > experienced that with the standards you set. In all due > respect, with those standards, I would hazard to say that > any good teacher on this board could produce the same > results as you have.? What you may have to ask, is can you > do the same with less...that, to me, is the mark of a good > instructor. > > Jeff > _______________________________________________ > The_Dojang mailing list, 2,500 members > The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2009: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://the-dojang.net --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 12:38:29 -0800 (PST) From: Jye nigma Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Re: Sammo To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Talk about a good t-shirt! --- On Mon, 1/5/09, aburrese@aol.com wrote: > I remember the TV show he had a few years back. Someone > said something about him being out of shape and his reply > was, "no, just fat." And then he proceeded to kick > butt. > > Alain > > www.burrese.com --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2009: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest