Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2009 02:48:21 +0100 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 16 #12 - 6 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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"Master" in the ITF (Christopher Spiller) 3. RE: master instructor (Curt McCauley) 4. Weight Contracts (Duque Institute of Martial Arts) 5. RE: master instructor (Ray) 6. Re: RE: master instructor (Jye nigma) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2009 19:16:17 -0600 From: "JR West" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Bates Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net "Craig wrote" "I've often thought about this. Honestly...I'm not fibbing. How horrible it would be...to put in all that work...and all those years...to finally reach the level of Master...and your last name is Bates." There was a guy here in Jackson who used that title, and his last name was "Bader" (rhymed with "Gator")...I understand that he is now in TN and switched his art and uses the title "Sifu". Oh My! --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2009 19:49:51 -0800 (PST) From: Christopher Spiller To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] "Master" in the ITF Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > Message: 3 > From: "J R Hilland" > To: > Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2009 15:03:03 -0600 > Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: master instructor > Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > > << printed up?>>> > > I have seen kukki-taekwondo teenagers do that who are not > even old enough > for chodan. > FWI In hapkido 'Master' is at 5th dan and I hear > aikido it is now at 6th > dan. Is taekwondo (ITF) still at 7th dan? > > Jere R. Hilland www.HapkidoSelfDefense.com > 30th International Hapkido & KMA Clinic > March 13-15, 2009 www.hapkido.com Yes, the ITF (well, all of them) still reserve the title "Master" for VII and VIII dans. IX dan is Grand Master, although at least Grand MAster Choi, Jung Hwa doesn't like going by the title and is often referred to simply as "President Choi." His personal assistants who have known him for many years will often still refer to him as "Master Choi." I will note that at VII dan you have officially learned all of the ITF patterns and so, at least theoretically, have learned the entire system. Although every ITF Master I know has stated many times that they are still students (especially the awesome ones). Pax, Chris --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "Curt McCauley" To: Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2009 20:23:34 -0800 Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: master instructor Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net How does one become a "Master Instructor" ? I would think that you are a "Master Instructor" when your most senior instructors say you are. (Not to be taken lightly) And to Mr. Stovall: is that the same guy who lived with his mom and owned a motel??? I think his name was Norman. :O) Respectfully but irreverently submitted, Curt McCauley Channel Town Soo Bahk Do --__--__-- Message: 4 From: Duque Institute of Martial Arts To: Dojang Digest Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 14:04:54 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] Weight Contracts Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net When my husband achieved black belt, he was asked to sign a contract (in order to call himself "Black Belt") stating various points (all of which I don't remember), however one that he is faithful to is that he had to maintain his body in proper physical condition properly representing a Black Belt. This is not easy for him - he likes his sweets, but when he puts on a few pounds he will immediately begin his "I won't be a chubby master" mantra. For him, his word is his word (15 years later). Does anyone else utilize this moment of signing the contract as part of the Black Belt Promotion Test? _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live™ Hotmail®: Chat. Store. Share. Do more with mail. http://windowslive.com/howitworks?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t1_hm_justgotbetter_howit works_012009 --__--__-- Message: 5 From: Ray To: The_Dojang Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: master instructor Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 14:41:02 -0800 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Some (many?) martial arts groups consider a person is actually a Master once they have achieved "Dan tester" status. i.e. if they can promote someone to the rank of 1st Dan in that system. I admit that I had not heard of this until I was sitting in the Soo Bahk Do Moo Duk Kwan office in Seoul about 15 years ago. The instructors there, all very nice middle aged gentlemen, were asking me questions such as what rank I was, how long I had been in the martial arts (the fact that I was not a Soo Bahk Do person did not matter), and how old I was, what job I held, etc, etc. It was explained to me later that they were struggling to figure out where I stood in their hierarchy. But one thing that they kept asking was if I was a "Dan tester". It took me a moment to figure out what they were really asking as with their poor English and my non-existent Korean it wasn't all that easy to communicate. But finally they made it clear that they were trying to understand if I was a Master, or... a Dan tester. So it seemed my rank was one thing, but if I was a Master was something else. In some groups "Dan tester" status is achieved once you hit a specific rank. In other groups it requires that additional training occur on top of whatever rank you might happen to be. Or so I understand... Ray --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 15:52:19 -0800 (PST) From: Jye nigma Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] RE: master instructor To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net if we are to jot down the importance of things to the higher ranked korean instructors I wonder what they would deem as important in the MA? I also wonder where fighting would rank? I ask this because I chit chat with Novell G Bell from time to time and he is always telling me that in the CMA the primary focus seems to be on forms; performing them extremely well. He feels they place them over fighting so much so that many chinese teachers can't apply their martial art in a realtime unrehearse manner; but they can do some nice looking forms.   Jye --- On Fri, 1/9/09, Ray wrote: From: Ray Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: master instructor To: "The_Dojang" Date: Friday, January 9, 2009, 5:41 PM Some (many?) martial arts groups consider a person is actually a Master once they have achieved "Dan tester" status. i.e. if they can promote someone to the rank of 1st Dan in that system. I admit that I had not heard of this until I was sitting in the Soo Bahk Do Moo Duk Kwan office in Seoul about 15 years ago. The instructors there, all very nice middle aged gentlemen, were asking me questions such as what rank I was, how long I had been in the martial arts (the fact that I was not a Soo Bahk Do person did not matter), and how old I was, what job I held, etc, etc. It was explained to me later that they were struggling to figure out where I stood in their hierarchy. But one thing that they kept asking was if I was a "Dan tester". It took me a moment to figure out what they were really asking as with their poor English and my non-existent Korean it wasn't all that easy to communicate. But finally they made it clear that they were trying to understand if I was a Master, or... a Dan tester. So it seemed my rank was one thing, but if I was a Master was something else. In some groups "Dan tester" status is achieved once you hit a specific rank. In other groups it requires that additional training occur on top of whatever rank you might happen to be. Or so I understand... Ray _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 2,500 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2009: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers applySubscribe or Unsubscribe: http://the-dojang.net --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2009: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest