Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2009 02:48:32 +0100 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 16 #14 - 6 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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RE: "Master" (Dennis Overall) 3. Deadline Extended For Special Kukkiwon-USAT Dan Testing (Ray) 4. RE: "Master" (Thomas Gordon) 5. Re: Re: master instructor (in CMA) (Jye nigma) 6. school operators (freddie bishop) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2009 20:09:50 -0500 To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net From: Jerry Subject: [The_Dojang] "Master" Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I'm not especially fond of that title either. Someone being my "Master" comes loaded with lots of connotations that I don't like. I have no problem addressing the person as "Master Instructor", because presumably they are that. "Sir" or "Ma'am" seems to work real well too *smile*. Jerry -- ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ "Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." - Ben Franklin It's also true that those who would give up privacy for security are likely to end up with neither. It's not the years in your life that count, but the life in your years" "Change is Inevitable, Growth is Optional" "Without continual growth and progress, such words as improvement, achievement and success have no meaning." - Benjamin Franklin ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ --__--__-- Message: 2 From: Dennis Overall To: "the_dojang@martialartsresource.net" Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] "Master" Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2009 20:41:12 -0500 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net One of the 1st lessons of martial arts is being humble. I am very proud of the instructor, teacher, mentor, and the list goes on, of the person that I call Master. I have been under his wing for over 33 years. I have train and studied several different arts in different countries and have never met anyone of his equal or with his knowledge. He has earned the title of Master. Someone that doesn't understand the true concept of martial arts will not understand the title of Master. Real martial arts is a way of life, a lifestyle. No insult intended that is just the way it is. Master O> Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2009 20:09:50 -0500> To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net> From: jerseyj@superlink.net> Subject: [The_Dojang] "Master"> > I'm not especially fond of that title either. Someone being my > "Master" comes loaded with lots of connotations that I don't like. I > have no problem addressing the person as "Master Instructor", because > presumably they are that. "Sir" or "Ma'am" seems to work real well > too *smile*.> > Jerry> -- _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live™: Keep your life in sync. http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t1_allup_explore_012009 --__--__-- Message: 3 From: Ray To: The_Dojang Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2009 17:41:53 -0800 Subject: [The_Dojang] Deadline Extended For Special Kukkiwon-USAT Dan Testing Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Deadline Extended For Special Kukkiwon-USAT Dan Testing A late deadline of Friday, January 16, has been imposed with an accompanying late fee of $75. http://taekwondo.teamusa.org/news/article/8093 --__--__-- Message: 4 From: "Thomas Gordon" To: Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] "Master" Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2009 21:28:32 -0600 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hey, you'll love my signature line. LOL! To the non-martial artist, the master title may be a bit over the top. "Master" doesn't mean lordship or have any worship connotations. At least not at our school. Master is used in most all trades. We have master plumbers, master mechanical, master of arts in college, and master hard drive. In the Military, we have Master Sergeant and even Senior Master Sergeant. In martial arts, "master" means someone has reached a certain level in their training and instruction - nothing more. Sincerely, Thomas Gordon Master's Seminars on April 17-19, 2009 www.GordonMartialArts.com/new/2009-0419 --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2009 23:41:15 -0800 (PST) From: Jye nigma Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Re: master instructor (in CMA) To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I realized my error. Let me correct this Novell said, so called masters in the ICMA- internal chinese martial arts. So according to him from his personal experiences he said he has crossed hands with alot of ICMA so called masters and was disappointed because they couldn't use their art, yet they talk a good game, and can only do pretty forms.   Jye --- On Fri, 1/9/09, Christopher Spiller wrote: From: Christopher Spiller Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: master instructor (in CMA) To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Friday, January 9, 2009, 10:53 PM >>if we are to jot down the importance of things to the higher ranked korean instructors I wonder what they would deem as important in the MA? I also wonder where fighting would rank? I ask this because I chit chat with Novell G Bell from time to time and he is always telling me that in the CMA the primary focus seems to be on forms; performing them extremely well. He feels they place them over fighting so much so that many chinese teachers can't apply their martial art in a realtime unrehearse manner; but they can do some nice looking forms. Jye<< That's an interesting comment. But it is *not* my experience with instructors in CMA. Not at all. Pax, Chris _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 2,500 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2009: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://the-dojang.net --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2009 06:46:16 -0800 (PST) From: freddie bishop To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] school operators Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net How will your school survive the economic crisis? You can advertise all the bells and whistles of your school but when it comes down to it, can your students and prospective students pay your fee? Fred --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2009: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest