Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 02:48:22 +0100 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 16 #18 - 13 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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Taekwondo Promotes Image in France (Ray) 2. Re: Master (Zisheged@aol.com) 3. thank you Mr. Gordon (freddie bishop) 4. RE: economy and schools (Thomas Gordon) 5. Re: International Combatives Self Defense Association (Paul Nowak) 6. Re: International Combatives Self Defense Association (Ray) 7. RE: Re: Master (Jye nigma) 8. Re: International Combatives Self Defense Association (Paul Nowak) 9. Re: "Master" (Jye nigma) 10. Korean shurikenjutsu? nah, but still entertaining (Jye nigma) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: Ray To: The_Dojang Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2009 16:45:15 -0800 Subject: [The_Dojang] Taekwondo Promotes Image in France Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Taekwondo Promotes Image in France By Kang Shin-who The Korea Times 01-12-2009 Taekwondo, Korea's national sport and traditional martial art, could be used to promote Korea to France, a country otherwise indifferent to Korean culture, a survey said Sunday. The Korea Cultural Service France of the Korean Embassy in Paris asked IPSOS, an international research institute, to conduct a survey of 1,000 French citizens aged between 16 and 60 and 400 taekwondo trainees regarding impressions of Korea and Korean people in November and December. On the occasion of the first taekwondo competition for the Korean ambassador last month in France, the survey showed that 44 percent of 1,000 respondents chose ``no reply'' when asked about their image of Korea and Korean people. It said only 27 percent of respondents hold a ``favorable impression'' of Korea. Toward Korean people, 39 percent answered they have favorable feelings. In contrast, 96 percent of the 400 taekwondo trainees answered they had a favorable impression of Korea. As for Korean people, 86 percent said so. Moreover, more than 80 percent of the French taekwondo trainees replied that they want to visit Korea and learn more about Korea. They said they could learn Korean values such as respect via the sport. ``The survey showed that Taekwondo is contributing very much to boost the image of Korea in France and we need to develop it not as a mere sporting game but as a comprehensive event to promote Korean culture,'' said Cho Il-hwan, Korean Ambassador to France. Meanwhile, the survey found that most French citizens see Korea as just another Asian country with no relevance to France and often confuse Korean culture with that of China and Japan. The survey indicated that Korea must promote its country to differentiate itself from other Asian cultures. When asked about Korean products, most French citizens who've never bought Korean brands held negative views, showing that one third imagines they were of ``low quality'' and another 30 percent regarded them as ``illegal copies.'' However, of those who have bought Korean goods, 57 percent answered that Korean goods have good value for money. --__--__-- Message: 2 From: Zisheged@aol.com Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2009 20:01:12 EST To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Master Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I haven't got any issue with anyone that doesn't like Master as a title. I never called myself Master Zeishe. But....there are these titles: Master-actuary, engineer, draftsman, engineer, groundskeeper, teacher, concert-master, sergeant, etc. etc. Awww what the hell, this is America. If you want respect call your self Mister whatever. Master is what I was called as a kid. Imagine Master Zishe! Remember what "Master of my Domain:" on Seinfeld meant!!!!!!!! Zishe **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1215855013x1201028747/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=De cemailfooterNO62) --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 01:32:32 -0800 (PST) From: freddie bishop To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] thank you Mr. Gordon Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Mr. Gordon Thank you for sharing your creative marketing techniques. Schools in my area are struggling. The Y is doing well, though. We have had one manufacturing plant close in November, and nobody is hiring. Respectfully Fred --__--__-- Message: 4 From: "Thomas Gordon" To: Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] economy and schools Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2009 23:18:45 -0600 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Mr Kiral, My family is in the construction industry - trust me when I say, I feel the pain of our economy in that career field. I've seen some fairly prominent home builders back to swinging a hammer working for someone else. However, in our martial art school, we're growing. No reason why other than we are being creative in our approach to getting and retaining students. One thing that I tried to be specific was that government employees (whether federal, state, county, or city) SHOULD be in better position than they were five years ago. True that some government offices are cutting back but most of the people I know in government jobs are making the same or a bit better money than they were five years ago and prices on homes have plummeted. I certainly don't want to come across as blissful or unsympathetic. However, when I hear military people saying times are tight as they make $125K a year as a Colonel - I just shake my head. Not saying they aren't worth their pay - just saying they are guaranteed their pay while private sector is not. To be fair, when business is good, private sector isn't limited whereas a government employee is. http://www.dfas.mil/airforce2/militarypaycharts/2008MilitaryPayChart.pdf (Don't forget to add housing and other allowances PLUS medical and lifetime retirement) In regards to me being in Florida. Sorta. Locals call this area LA for "Lower Alabama." We're so far northwest in Florida that we're on the Central Time Zone. We're the folks that get agitated every election when the media calls Florida and our polls haven't even closed yet because most of Florida is Eastern Time Zone...except us near Pensacola and Destin. :) Sincerely, Thomas Gordon Master's Seminars on April 17-19, 2009 www.GordonMartialArts.com/new/2009-0419 --__--__-- Message: 5 From: "Paul Nowak" To: , Cc: Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] International Combatives Self Defense Association Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 11:14:47 -0500 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hello Mr. Gajdostik, The ICSDA is a group representing personal protection in four fields being combatives, defensive tactics, self defense and combative martial arts. Its goal is to unit this community as an international association providing avenues for training, qualified instructors and fellowship for like minded individuals to interact. Unifying instructors through specific certification in the above fields is the main goal of the ICSDA. Certification requires an individual to be qualified to teach practical and realistic material in one of these areas. An instructor must meet the organizations requirements to hold this position. This provides a high degree of expertise and professionalism and fosters technical excellence. ICSDA presently offers its programs in 12 countries, represented by 14 national directors providing a network of instructors and a multitude of training options. An advisory board of well known and accredited individuals provide direction to meet the goals of the association. The ICSDA welcomes individuals that are interested in reality based personal protection to join the association and provide skills that meet the defined goals. Paul Nowak Defensive Edge (Greater Toronto Area Director ICSDA) 905.407.0220 www.defensiveedgetraining.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "TNT Martial Arts-Hillsboro" To: Sent: Monday, January 12, 2009 2:00 PM Subject: [The_Dojang] International Combatives Self Defense Association > Hello everyone, > > I rec'd an email from this group...anyone know anything good/bad about > them? > > Thanks, > > Mark Gajdostik > TNT Martial Arts > 503-640-8400 > www.martialartshillsboro.com > > <<<<< > My name is Fernan Vargas. I am the director of operations for the > International Combatives Self Defense Association. I came across your > Youtube clips and then your web site and found it to be very interesting. > It appears that your teaching is in line with our organizations goals. We > are always looking to add new members who can contribute their unique > skills > and experiences to the association. I think someone with your > qualifications would be an asset to our team. Currently the association > serves as a business contact and referral system, as well as offering > several training sessions through out the year. > I would like to extend a free associate membership to you. Please visit > our > website www.icsda.org or call me 773-216-6688 if you have any additional > questions. > > If your interested please just see the form bellow. Fill it out and > return > it to me electronically. > > Thank you Fernan Vargas>>>>>> > _______________________________________________ > The_Dojang mailing list, 2,500 members > The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2009: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://the-dojang.net --__--__-- Message: 6 From: Ray To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] International Combatives Self Defense Association Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 08:26:41 -0800 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Defensive Edge is a name most associated with the late Ernie Franco and his students. Are you affiliated with Ernie's group? Ray Terry thedojang@sbcglobal.net On Jan 13, 2009, at 8:14 AM, Paul Nowak wrote: > Paul Nowak > Defensive Edge > (Greater Toronto Area Director ICSDA) --__--__-- Message: 7 Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 09:53:09 -0800 (PST) From: Jye nigma Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Re: Master To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Third level in snake fist boxing, 2nd dan in TKD (3rd dan revoked due to negative affiliations and blocked from 4th).    Jye  --- On Mon, 1/12/09, Dennis Overall wrote: From: Dennis Overall Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Re: Master To: "the_dojang@martialartsresource.net" Date: Monday, January 12, 2009, 6:22 PM It would be interesting to know your rank Jye and your organization. It may help us understand why you think this way. > Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2009 12:12:19 -0800> From: kingjye@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Re: Master> To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net> > For me the issue is not the title master, but I would never call anyone my> master. You may be super dope funky great master of XYZ art but I'll refer to> you as my teacher, instructor but I wouldn't say this is so and so and he is> my master. I wouldn't let anyone call me THEIR master either.> > Jye> > --- On Mon, 1/12/09, Kevin Janisse wrote:> > From: Kevin Janisse > Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Master> To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net> Date: Monday, January 12, 2009, 11:09 AM> > Hello Master Gordon,> > "Novice Seminars - Come Spread the Ignorance."> That's great! I would not of expected anything less from you...lol> A title like that would certainly bring in the wrong crowd.> > Over the years of training and teaching I have run across many martial> artists> that would comment on the title of master in regard to "they are not my> master" yet when they reached a "master" level they had no issue> with the> title. Another thing I have noticed is that the honorary title of master> seems to be used by fellow masters as a token of respect and acknowledgment.> The use of titles can be twisted and warped to fit anyone's agenda and> changed> just the same (look at are new government). As noted in the other posts, a> true master is one who can serve in a mastering way. He/She has mastered (we> hope) the ability to share/teach to others to teach what they have learned in> a clear and concise manner. This is similar to a school master who helps> other teachers and runs the school. I hope that I and fellow masters can> show> this in a unselfish and pride-less manner so future teachers/masters will> have> the right idea and attitude.> > Sincerely,> > Kevin Janisse> _______________________________________________> The_Dojang mailing list, 2,500 members> The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net> Copyright 1994-2009: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource> Standard disclaimers apply> Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://the-dojang.net> _______________________________________________> The_Dojang mailing list, 2,500 members> The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net> Copyright 1994-2009: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource> Standard disclaimers apply > Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://the-dojang.net _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live™ Hotmail®: Chat. Store. Share. Do more with mail. http://windowslive.com/howitworks?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t1_hm_justgotbetter_howit works_012009 _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 2,500 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2009: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://the-dojang.net --__--__-- Message: 8 From: "Paul Nowak" To: Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] International Combatives Self Defense Association Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 12:24:37 -0500 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net No. Respectfully, I have no affiliation with that group. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ray" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 11:26 AM Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] International Combatives Self Defense Association > Defensive Edge is a name most associated with the late Ernie Franco > and his students. Are you affiliated with Ernie's group? > > Ray Terry > thedojang@sbcglobal.net > > > On Jan 13, 2009, at 8:14 AM, Paul Nowak wrote: > >> Paul Nowak >> Defensive Edge >> (Greater Toronto Area Director ICSDA) > _______________________________________________ > The_Dojang mailing list, 2,500 members > The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2009: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://the-dojang.net --__--__-- Message: 9 Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 10:01:01 -0800 (PST) From: Jye nigma Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] "Master" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net That's was common for many CMA as well to not use the term master. That term and even belt ranking has been adopted by many CMA schools now. I called my teacher teacher and his rank is equivalent to master in TKD. I'm a teacher equivalent to master in TKD as well, but our ranking was more like a family with the disciples being like big brothers. If I picked up snake fist again and even inherited the system I'd still prefer to be called Jye, brother Jye, teacher Jye. To make sure you guys understand I have no problem with the title, I just don't want anyone to say I'm their master. My opinion doesn't come from a MA perspective it's from my cultural perspective.   Jye --- On Mon, 1/12/09, Curt McCauley wrote: From: Curt McCauley Subject: [The_Dojang] "Master" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Monday, January 12, 2009, 3:41 PM Hello again, Why not use the term Sa Bom (Nim?) defined as teacher of the pattern, rules or laws, and model (a model teacher, or a model for teachers). I have also read somewhere that Sa Bom means "Teacher of Teachers This meaning is way more specific than "Master" although "Master instructor" seems to cover everything nicely. However "master" is not a korean term, it is an English term. There is a Hanja term "Chu" Which is defined as "Lord, Master, ruler, chief, or principal, but I don't think that would apply here. In any case, in my experience the term "Master" in the martial arts is used most often as an honorific for a person of much experience as a practitoner, student and teacher. I know of very few who use this term to describe themselves. Respectfully submitted, Curt McCauley Chief Instructor Channel Town Soo Bahk Do _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 2,500 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2009: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://the-dojang.net --__--__-- Message: 10 Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 09:41:42 -0800 (PST) From: Jye nigma To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Korean shurikenjutsu? nah, but still entertaining Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lNOYgfxdEtc --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2009: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. 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