Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 22:53:11 +0100 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 16 #19 - 13 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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Today's Topics: 1. apologies (Jerry) 2. KOREA AND TAE KWON DO (edandmikes) 3. Re: RE: [The_Dojang] Re: Master (Lee Morgan) 4. Activation Ceremony Held for 2008/09 Winter Taekwondo Peace Corps (The_Dojang) 5. Re: KOREA AND TAE KWON DO (Ray) 6. Quality TKD Video (chunjido@aol.com) 7. RE: KOREA AND TAE KWON DO (Rick Clark) 8. Re: Quality TKD Video (Jye nigma) 9. Re: RE: [The_Dojang] Re: Master (Jye nigma) 10. Re: KOREA AND TAE KWON DO (Jye nigma) 11. On military pay and martial arts (Ken McDonough) 12. KOREAN FILMS FROM THE JAPANESE COLONIAL PERIOD (Ray) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 20:52:32 -0500 To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net From: Jerry Subject: [The_Dojang] apologies Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Apologies to all if I've poked a stick into a hornet's nest. My stated opinions are in no way intended to denigrate the arts, instructor's or anyone on the list. Jerry -- ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ "Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." - Ben Franklin It's also true that those who would give up privacy for security are likely to end up with neither. It's not the years in your life that count, but the life in your years" "Change is Inevitable, Growth is Optional" "Without continual growth and progress, such words as improvement, achievement and success have no meaning." - Benjamin Franklin ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "edandmikes" To: Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 21:06:15 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] KOREA AND TAE KWON DO Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hey! How many of you would travel to Korea if you could? How many of you can have your picture taken in the Kukkiwon The root of modern and traditionalTae Kwon Do ? Do you wish to be there? The further away one drinks from the source, the more stagnet the water becomes. What I see is a further and further from the source. Sandra Tomlinson 3rd Dan World Tae Kwon Do Federation Grand Master Douglas Cho New Jersey --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 21:10:32 -0500 Subject: Re: RE: [The_Dojang] Re: Master From: Lee Morgan To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Jye, I've enjoyed reading your comments for a few months now. You seem to have the heart of a martial artist. Thererfore, it really doesn't matter what rank you hold (except for business reasons). When you train, there's just 100% effort or less than 100% effort. When you are practicing forms, there's proper form or improper form. When you have to defend yourself, there's technique that works or technique that doesn't work. I mean, I've seen yellow belts at some schools who could stand against higher ranking black belts at some other schools. Rank and titles, when it comes down to it, are for those who are focused on something other than pure martial arts. I don't think rank should really matters at all to a true martial artist-----at least that's my opinion. Lee Morgan --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 19:14:23 -0800 From: The_Dojang To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Activation Ceremony Held for 2008/09 Winter Taekwondo Peace Corps Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Activation Ceremony Held for 2008/09 Winter Taekwondo Peace Corps 13 Jan 2009 The World Taekwondo Federation held an activation ceremony for the 2008/09 Winter Taekwondo Peace Corps in Seoul, Korea on Jan. 12, 2009. The activation ceremony, held at the headquarters of GCS International in downtown Seoul, drew members of the 2008/09 Winter Taekwondo Peace Corps and dignitaries. The WTF announced a total of 32 successful applicants for the 2008/09 Winter Taekwondo Peace Corps last month. The 32 Taekwondo Peace Corps members are to be sent to eight countries in eight teams for a period of about one month starting this month. The eight countries are Greece, Russia, Morocco, Bolivia, Uzbekistan, Egypt, China and Kirgyzstan. On Jan. 11, four members of the 2008/09 Winter Taekwondo Peace Corps already left for Egypt, and another four members left for Morocco on Jan. 13. A third four members are scheduled to leave for Greece on Jan. 14. The Taekwondo Peace Corp project is promoted by the WTF and organized by GCS International, a United Nations-recognized non-governmental organization with a special consultative status with the U.N. Economic and Social Council. GCS stands for goodwill, cooperation and service. WTF President Chungwon Choue serves as head of GCS International. "Through the WTF Taekwondo Peace Corps program, I am confident that taekwondo could contribute to the promotion of global peace," said WTF President Choue in a speech during the activation ceremony. WTF President Choue first raised the idea of Taewondo Peace Corps at an international forum in Leuven, Belgium in September 2007. He then proposed an expanded concept of "Sport Peace Corps," involving all summer Olympic sports, at an international forum in Monte Carlo, Monaco in December 2007. The WTF officially launched the Taekwondo Peace Corps in July 2008 and dispatched 28 members to seven regions in five countries, of Paraguay, Pakistan, India, Russia and China, during the summertime of 2008. Reflecting the growing popularity and high interest in the program among the WTF's 188 member countries, the WTF plans to expand the dispatch period of Peace Corps members from the present one month to two months, six months or up to two years. --__--__-- Message: 5 From: Ray To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] KOREA AND TAE KWON DO Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 18:43:21 -0800 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Been there. Done that. But... the truth of the matter is that the Kukkiwon doesn't see things that way. Sure, some of the figure-heads love it if you get a group to show up and pay big bucks to train there. They love to receive "walk around money". However once you talk to Kukkiwon officials you learn that they want and NEED Taekwondo to become a worldwide martial sport/art, not just a Korean art. These days some of the most innovative training is coming out of US, European countries and even places like Iran and Mexico.. and the WTFers & Kukkiwoners love it. Traveling to Korea for a history lesson is different and something that I do recommend highly, but don't go there thinking that you'll train in TKD and learn things you won't find more easily in your own country. Ray On Jan 13, 2009, at 6:06 PM, edandmikes wrote: > Hey! How many of you would travel to Korea if you could? How many of > you can > have your picture taken in the Kukkiwon The root of modern and > traditionalTae Kwon Do ? Do you wish to be there? > The further away one drinks from the source, the more stagnet the > water > becomes. What I see is a further and further from the source. --__--__-- Message: 6 To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 23:30:04 -0500 From: chunjido@aol.com Subject: [The_Dojang] Quality TKD Video Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Came across this on youtube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Y3-STuMbVE&feature=related This is from back when Olympic TKD was more than bouncing, when the IR's wore canary, when they used quality technique, timing and skill instead of negative match management. Take care, Mel (Jye wannabe) Chajonshim Martial Arts Academy http://www.cjmaa.com Chajonshim Martial Arts Supply http://www.cjmas.com 1-877-847-4072 --__--__-- Message: 7 Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 10:49:21 -0500 From: "Rick Clark" Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] KOREA AND TAE KWON DO To: Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > Hey! How many of you would travel to Korea if you could? [Rick] Been there..... > How many of you can have your picture taken in the Kukkiwon The root of modern and > traditionalTae Kwon Do ? [Rick] No desire to go there, but it just takes a plane ticket and some walking around cash. > Do you wish to be there? [Rick] No > The further away one drinks from the source, the more stagnet the > water becomes. What I see is a further and further from the source. [Rick] OK - so if I want to get TKD from the source I need to go to Japan and train in Shotokan, and if I want to go even closer to the source I'll go to Okinawa and train in the line of Itosu. > > Sandra Tomlinson > 3rd Dan > World Tae Kwon Do Federation > Grand Master Douglas Cho > New Jersey Rick Clark Super Duper Highest Grandest Master --__--__-- Message: 8 Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 07:58:46 -0800 (PST) From: Jye nigma Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Quality TKD Video To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net good video....some of those guys got rocked hard...lol.   Jye --- On Tue, 1/13/09, chunjido@aol.com wrote: From: chunjido@aol.com Subject: [The_Dojang] Quality TKD Video To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Tuesday, January 13, 2009, 11:30 PM Came across this on youtube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Y3-STuMbVE&feature=related This is from back when Olympic TKD was more than bouncing, when the IR's wore canary, when they used quality technique, timing and skill instead of negative match management. Take care, Mel (Jye wannabe) Chajonshim Martial Arts Academy http://www.cjmaa.com Chajonshim Martial Arts Supply http://www.cjmas.com 1-877-847-4072 _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 2,500 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2009: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://the-dojang.net --__--__-- Message: 9 Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 08:08:57 -0800 (PST) From: Jye nigma Subject: Re: RE: [The_Dojang] Re: Master To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I'd have to agree. To me rank in MA can be misleading since there are so many schools with different criteria. For instance, I knew of a kung fu school that test every 2 years. So their seemingly low ranked students were putting some serious whoop a$$ on folks. I never got wrapped up too much in rank because my martial arts training began early with no ranks or anything until age 8 when I got into TKD. When I got my yellow stripe and was allowed to spar (not to sound cocky) I was kicking some serious a$$ even against adult black belts. The reason why is because I had been in real fights before and my prior training was for fighting, but more important than all that, I was raised to fear no man, so in my mind a master, grandmaster, or white belt I would spar anyone so I had no mental obstacles to overcome if that makes sense. You know how some people are ready to fight and then they see someone is a blackbelt or had X amount of fights and then they start getting scared? that's what I didn't have...lol.   Now don't get me wrong, I respect rank and acknowledge all the hard work that I hope went into the rank, but I'm more impressed with the man, woman or child that can take their art and use it to protect themselves (or others) and that is something even some grandmasters can't do.   Jye --- On Tue, 1/13/09, Lee Morgan wrote: From: Lee Morgan Subject: Re: RE: [The_Dojang] Re: Master To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Tuesday, January 13, 2009, 9:10 PM Jye, I've enjoyed reading your comments for a few months now. You seem to have the heart of a martial artist. Thererfore, it really doesn't matter what rank you hold (except for business reasons). When you train, there's just 100% effort or less than 100% effort. When you are practicing forms, there's proper form or improper form. When you have to defend yourself, there's technique that works or technique that doesn't work. I mean, I've seen yellow belts at some schools who could stand against higher ranking black belts at some other schools. Rank and titles, when it comes down to it, are for those who are focused on something other than pure martial arts. I don't think rank should really matters at all to a true martial artist-----at least that's my opinion. Lee Morgan _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 2,500 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2009: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://the-dojang.net --__--__-- Message: 10 Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 08:10:30 -0800 (PST) From: Jye nigma Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] KOREA AND TAE KWON DO To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I'd love to go to Korea, and take pictures of various places. But I'm more interested in seeing all the various fighting arts of Korea especially Daoist arts.   Jye --- On Tue, 1/13/09, edandmikes wrote: From: edandmikes Subject: [The_Dojang] KOREA AND TAE KWON DO To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Tuesday, January 13, 2009, 9:06 PM Hey! How many of you would travel to Korea if you could? How many of you can have your picture taken in the Kukkiwon The root of modern and traditionalTae Kwon Do ? Do you wish to be there? The further away one drinks from the source, the more stagnet the water becomes. What I see is a further and further from the source. Sandra Tomlinson 3rd Dan World Tae Kwon Do Federation Grand Master Douglas Cho New Jersey _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 2,500 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2009: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://the-dojang.net --__--__-- Message: 11 Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 08:43:50 -0800 (PST) From: Ken McDonough To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] On military pay and martial arts Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hopefully, this is not too far off topic. However, a partial response may clarify. Plus, I provide martial arts info to keep on point:   Mr. Gordon writes in part,       Response:   I spent 25 years in the military, re: Navy and Air Force. Worked 2 assignments with the Army.   Being in the military is not always the greatest job. Only a few make Colonel, Chief Petty Officer, or Senior Master Sgt. Those that do climb to the top are often egg sucking syncopaths who would bury their subordinates to get a leg up (a vast generalization however). Most people in the military, like the majority of middle class America, are subject to deployments, harsh working conditions, 24 hour control by Uncle Sam, and a lot of BS...if you get a bad boss you could be screwed (in many ways). Ask any enlisted person in the Air Force who took an "Early Out" on why they did and they will tell you the work conditions in the military sometimes suck. Finally, not every military member makes $125 K, and I had to fight the government to keep my military pension. Hence, look at the total picture.   On the subject of martial arts, the workout portion of my gym and car shop is complete. Just put in this weekend the final electrical work for the compressor, ac units, and fans. The Mook Jung is up, the boxing stand is up, the work out equipment is in. I need to include the mirrors. A dream come true. If Ray permitted a link to a picture link I would invite viewers.   Ciao for now.   Big K in Big Texas     --__--__-- Message: 12 From: Ray To: The_Dojang Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 10:53:33 -0800 Subject: [The_Dojang] KOREAN FILMS FROM THE JAPANESE COLONIAL PERIOD Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Begin forwarded message: THE KOREA SOCIETY AND THE MUSEUM OF MODERN ART PRESENT RARE KOREAN FILMS FROM THE JAPANESE COLONIAL PERIOD January 12, 2009—New York, NY—The Japanese colonial era—one of the most difficult and complex periods in modern Korean history—will come to light for American audiences as The Korea Society and The Museum of Modern Art (MoMA) present Korean Films Made During Japanese Occupation, a program of seven recently re-discovered Korean films from the 1930s and ‘40s. The films will be screened from January 28 through February 1 at The Roy and Niuta Titus Theaters at MoMA. Discovered in China in 2003 and 2004 and restored in new 35mm prints by The Korean Film Archive, the films represent the earliest extant works of Korean cinema. Made under Japanese occupation, the dramatic content of the films is shaped by the censorship of their era, and several are uncomfortably pro-Japanese. Yet simultaneously, their rich aesthetics and formal experimentation reach beyond imperial Japanese ideology to express transcendent themes of longing, loss and duty. Korean Films Made During Japanese Occupation marks the first time that these films have been screened outside of Korea, and the only time they will be screened before being returned to Korean archives. Screening Schedule Korean Films Made During Japanese Occupation Wednesday, January 28 6:00 PM Spring in the Korean Peninsula (1941) Directed by Lee Byeong-Il Starring Kim Il-Hae, Seo Wol-Young and Kim So-Young 84 minutes A film adaptation of a traditional Korean tale, Spring in the Korean Peninsula is a backstage romance between a director and an actress that falls into crisis when the director is jailed. 8:00 PM Straits of Chosun (1943) Directed by Park Ki-Chae Starring Nam Seung-Min, Moon Yae-Bong and Kim Shin-Jae 75 minutes Made at the height of World War II, when Japanese censorship was at its tightest, Straits of Chosun is a domestic melodrama about a marriage torn apart. Thursday, January 29 8:00 PM Fisherman's Fire (1939) Directed by Ahn Chul-Yeong Starring Park Hak, Nah Woong and Park Jung-Kyeong 52 minutes Fallen on hard times, a fisherman is forced to make difficult choices about his daughter’s future. Volunteer (1941) Directed by Ahn Seok-Young Starring Choi Woon-Bong, Moon Yae-Bong and Lee Keum-Ryong 55 minutes A simple Korean farmer's son who aches to leave the countryside behind and fight for Imperial Japan finally gets his chance when colonial authorities enact a draft. Friday, January 30 6:00 PM Angels on the Street (1941) Directed by Choi In-Kyu Starring Kim Il-Hae, Moon Yae-Bong and Kim Shin-Jae 73 minutes Notably realistic for its era in depicting the gritty poverty of contemporary Seoul, Angels on the Street is the story of a man struggling to set up an orphanage for the city's street children. 8:00 PM Sweet Dream (1936) Directed by Yang Ju-Nam Starring Cho Taek-Won, Moon Yae-Bong and Yoo Sun-Ok 46 minutes Korean cinema's first talkie, Sweet Dream nearly left audiences speechless with its scandalous melodrama about a wife who abandons her family to live with another man. Military Train (1938) Directed by Seo Kwang-Jae Starring Wang Pyeong and Moon Yae-Bong 66 minutes As a woman is forced into prostitution, her brother who works on a Japanese military train is faced with a choice between his duty to his family and his duty to Japanese authorities. Saturday, January 31 1:00 PM Spring in the Korean Peninsula 3:00 PM Straits of Chosun 5:00 PM Angels on the Street Sunday, February 1 1:00 PM Fisherman’s Fire and Volunteer 3:30 PM Sweet Dream and Military Train * For more information, please visit out website www.koreasociety.org or www.moma.org. Noh, Kwang Woo --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2009: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. 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