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RE: fINGERTIP TECHNIQUES (Jye nigma) 2. Application deadline (The_Dojang) 3. Video clips: conditioning exercises & martial usage of various techniques (Jye nigma) 4. breaking video clip (Jye nigma) 5. RE: Take off your clothes (J R Hilland) 6. fingertips (freddie bishop) 7. Re: Kukkiwon manual and boxing (zisheged@aol.com) 8. RE: Upcoming boxing matches (J R Hilland) 9. RE: fINGERTIP TECHNIQUES (michael tomlinson) 10. Re: Re: Kukkiwon manual and boxing (Jye nigma) 11. Re: RE: Re: [The_Dojang] Quality TKD Video (Lee Morgan) 12. Re: Rear Nake? Choke (daomyer@aol.com) 13. Re: Take off your clothes (Beungood8@aol.com) 14. Alexandria International Open Taekwondo Chip (Martial Arts Tournaments) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 10:36:10 -0800 (PST) From: Jye nigma Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] fINGERTIP TECHNIQUES To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net In hapkido do you all train in conditioning methods for these hand weapons? if so what type of conditioning do you do?   Jye --- On Sun, 1/18/09, michael tomlinson wrote: From: michael tomlinson Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] fINGERTIP TECHNIQUES To: "Dojang Digest" Date: Sunday, January 18, 2009, 1:10 PM We have quite a few fingertip, thumb, two finger, three finger, four finger, tiger claw=fingertips, cupping palm, etc..and etc...stikes in Hapkido...in the old KHA curriculum there is a slew of these..basically you use different areas of your hand, fingers, knuckles and forearm to hit in many different areas and situations...we practice a lot of two finger strikes, tiger claw, and tiger mouth strikes in my classes..BUT..we always explain where to strike with each one of these and then we practice on padded targets and moving targets so you get the feel and movement of how they work...a two finger strike is very dangerous if you go to the right areas with it..we also have one knuckle, middle knuckle and thumb knuckle strikes..and again..it's important to know where and where not to hit with them..and the self defense situations to use them in.....PLUS..I have personally developed a very lethal technique over the years with quite a bit of research..it's called the "pull my finger technique"...and believe me you don't want to be around when I unleash that technique!!! Some have called it the original organic dirty bomb....and it is...LOL Michael Tomlinson ps..here is a list of them from our curriculum sheets: Hapkido Striking: Fingers and Hand; 1. Thumb Knuckle 2. One Knuckle 3. Middle Knuckle 4. Four Knuckle 5. Thumb Pluck 6. Dragon Tooth 7. Two Finger 8. Spear Hand 9. Tiger Claw 10. Tiger Mouth 11. Palm Heel 12. Cupping Strike 13. Sudo-palm up 14. Reverse Sudo-palm down 15. Hammer Fist 16. Advanced Hammer Fist 17. Ridge hand 18. Backfist 19. Dragon Tail 20. Straight Fist 21. 45 Degree Fist 22. Vertical Fist Forearm: 23. Thrusting Forearm 24. Diagonal Forearm-cutting 25. Upward Forearm Elbow: 26. Cross Elbow 27. Reverse Elbow 28. Upward Elbow 29. Downward Elbow 30. Diagonal Elbow 31. Thrusting Elbow Shoulder: 32. Forward strike Head: 32. Thrusting Head But 33. Upward Head But Knee: 34. Upward Knee 35. Crossing Knee 36. Diagonal Knee 37. Thrusting Knee 38. Dropping Knee _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live™: Keep your life in sync. http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t1_allup_explore_012009 _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 2,500 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2009: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://the-dojang.net --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 11:01:10 -0800 From: The_Dojang To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Application deadline Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net The application deadline for 53rd IR seminar / 62nd IR Refresher 16 Jan 2009 WTF Notice Dear Applicants, As we notified, the application deadline for 53rd IR seminar / 62nd IR Refresher Course is January 15th, 2009. Therefore the WTF is no longer accepting applications. The WTF will organize another refresher course shortly. Thank You. World Taekwondo Federation --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 11:33:55 -0800 (PST) From: Jye nigma To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Video clips: conditioning exercises & martial usage of various techniques Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Okinawan Goju Ryu Karate Conditioning http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TE6wdyzk0lE Okinawa Strengthening: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7yA-WuPkR8w&feature=related   snake fist applications: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dznDRypOeN8&NR=1   Wing Chun Snake Hand Techniques: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_T_DXTrsmTI&NR=1   finger training: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iX7DZcle7ZY&feature=channel_page   Spear Hand Splitting Apple: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QGrKrNR6guk   Iron body: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=im9NzBciths&feature=related     --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 11:40:36 -0800 (PST) From: Jye nigma To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] breaking video clip Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Uechi Ryu Breaking: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pant_xwqHMc&NR=1     --__--__-- Message: 5 From: "J R Hilland" To: Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 16:25:40 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: Take off your clothes Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Another important item, in my opinion that was missing in the video, is the act of breaking the opponents balance in order to keep from being thrown over the shoulder. This is accomplished by simply stepping through his legs with the lead foot and pushing your hip against his tail bone, moving him forward and thus, off balance. --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 12:13:52 -0800 (PST) From: freddie bishop To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] fingertips Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I seen my dad strike a guy in the neck with his fingertips. It was at the local Eagles Lodge. The guy dropped like a load of bricks! Fred --__--__-- Message: 7 To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 16:24:27 -0500 From: zisheged@aol.com Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Kukkiwon manual and boxing Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I used to box in college when I was a middle weight. Nothing makes for a more definitive strike than punching in boxing. This was borne out recently on tv when they measured velocity. Interestingly, kung fu punch was weakest (adapted from Bruce Lee's one inch punch).? I wanted to mention that it became apparent to me that I was skipping certain things mentioned in the kukkiwon manual. I spoke of one and two finger attacks, knife hand attacks and skipping side kicks etc. The manual is great for me as I lost my focus a bit with strength training as a mainstay. I make certain to cover all the finer points on Wednesdays when we concentrate on forms. We warm up each day to continuous taekuk 1-9, Koryo, gum gong and taebek. I find that this makes forms automatic and allows me to fine tune each person. Between you, me and the walls...I can't ever imagine sparring and using finger attacks. They have application if you are using deadly force. Otherwise...popping out someone's eyeball is a bit messy. Zeishe --__--__-- Message: 8 From: "J R Hilland" To: Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 16:29:58 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: Upcoming boxing matches Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Ken I also am favoring Margarito. Found this review that gives a good recap on Margarito: http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/1362530/preview_antonio_margarito_v s_sugar.html --__--__-- Message: 9 From: michael tomlinson To: Dojang Digest Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] fINGERTIP TECHNIQUES Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 00:07:41 +0000 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Most people don't train any conditioning for their hands...we do reverse push ups to build up the wrists..and we hit pads and bodies with the different strikes....one thing that I do is lift weights...my favorite strength drill for fingers and grip is...I have several plastic bottles...2 liter, 1 liter, etc...filled with sand and some with aquarium gravel...I squeeze and grip them from all kinds of grips while I watch tv...so I do it for hours sometimes...the plastic bottles filled with sand feel exactly like a human body...works great.. Michael Tomlinson > Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 10:36:10 -0800 > From: kingjye@yahoo.com > Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] fINGERTIP TECHNIQUES > To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > > In hapkido do you all train in conditioning methods for these hand weapons? if > so what type of conditioning do you do? > > Jye > _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live™: Keep your life in sync. http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t1_allup_explore_012009 --__--__-- Message: 10 Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 17:26:57 -0800 (PST) From: Jye nigma Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Re: Kukkiwon manual and boxing To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net i have to say when i spar i use as much as possible within reason. I use open hand quite a bit and have been known to use finger thrusts lol. for me using this in sparring allows me to construct methods to make an opening to be able to use them.   jye --- On Sun, 1/18/09, zisheged@aol.com wrote: From: zisheged@aol.com Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Kukkiwon manual and boxing To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Sunday, January 18, 2009, 4:24 PM I used to box in college when I was a middle weight. Nothing makes for a more definitive strike than punching in boxing. This was borne out recently on tv when they measured velocity. Interestingly, kung fu punch was weakest (adapted from Bruce Lee's one inch punch).? I wanted to mention that it became apparent to me that I was skipping certain things mentioned in the kukkiwon manual. I spoke of one and two finger attacks, knife hand attacks and skipping side kicks etc. The manual is great for me as I lost my focus a bit with strength training as a mainstay. I make certain to cover all the finer points on Wednesdays when we concentrate on forms. We warm up each day to continuous taekuk 1-9, Koryo, gum gong and taebek. I find that this makes forms automatic and allows me to fine tune each person. Between you, me and the walls...I can't ever imagine sparring and using finger attacks. They have application if you are using deadly force. Otherwise...popping out someone's eyeball is a bit messy. Zeishe _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 2,500 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2009: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://the-dojang.net --__--__-- Message: 11 Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 20:57:01 -0500 Subject: Re: RE: Re: [The_Dojang] Quality TKD Video From: Lee Morgan To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Jye wrote: "In regards to TKD we have alot of work ahead of us to get it on track. When looking in the general's encyclopedia you'll find many hand weapons that aren't even used in the art. So the focus will have to be on resurrecting the lost usages of the art's weapons. Jye" Hello Jye, I would go a little deeper and say that we need to change the attitude of those in the leadership positions of TKD before we can begin to resurrect any of the lost usages of the art's weapons. One thing I've noticed about many (but by no means all) WTF schools is that there is a feeling of "we learned from GM so-n-so"----which implies that there is a great reluctance to accept things from other sources. This seems to be the case with ITF schools too, but not to the extent it is with WTF schools. The Hapkido schools I've practiced with don't seem to be nearly as bad----I believe this is because they tend to be more martial oriented to start with. Many of the jujitsu schools I've practiced with, or the MMA schools, or CMA schools (at least the ones who are focused on self-defense), and even Karate schools who are martial oriented all seem to welcome techniques that are effective, no matter where they come from. Again, I believe that this is because the teachers and practitioners of these schools have a better idea of what a real fight is like and they want to add effective techniques to their repertoire---no matter the source. I guess what I'm trying to say is that the schools that are martial oriented (even the ones who are also sports oriented----you can be both) aren't GERNERALLY close minded----which many, if not most of the TKD schools I've been to are. Not the students so much as the higher ranked masters and grandmasters. I think the foundation of thinking about self-defense needs to be changed in the TKD community. Teaching self-defense is a HUGE responsibility. If we teach someone to perform a technique the wrong way, and the person (God forbid) has to use it in real life------and it doesn't work because it was taught to them the wrong way, or it was ineffective to start with, then the student could get hurt worse than if they never had any training at all. We would bare at least some of that responsibility because we didn't train that student better. This type of realization brings a measure of humility I believe------and that seems to be something that many in the TKD leadership community seem to lack (I realize I'm generallizing greatly here----there are a lot of very good TKD schools). Those of you that travel and practice at many different schools have probably seen this same type of thing. How else do you explain so many TKD schools with high ranking black belts that can't even throw an effective punch----much less defend themselves effectively? One thing I've been doing is teaching applications from the Temple Boxing forms or Okinawan Te kata as applications for moves that are similar or identical in the TKD poomse. That way, students can repeat that application in their mind every time they do poomse. Then I have them practice the actual technique, so that after a while they are defending against 100% power attacks of all kinds. The TaeGuek poomse don't really flow like the older forms do as far as self-defense techniques are concerned (probably because those that created the forms had no idea of the actual applications of the movements), but we can still practice the self-defense found within the movements. It's at least a start on a very local level. Lee Morgan --__--__-- Message: 12 To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Rear Nake? Choke Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 21:44:56 -0500 From: daomyer@aol.com Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I like to add an air slam on the chest as well. Just pull down on the elbow and knock the wind out just before torquing. It creates more panic with less air. Dave O. --__--__-- Message: 13 From: Beungood8@aol.com Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 22:07:26 EST To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Take off your clothes Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net a slightly better way to do it......you silently screw the can onto the end of the barrel, use proper breath control and squeeze off two into his brain housing group, That way you don't have to worry about touching your biceps... In a message dated 1/18/2009 1:34:17 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net writes: Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 09:20:54 -0800 > From: the.dojang.digest@gmail.com > To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > Subject: [The_Dojang] Take off your clothes > > http://www.gracieacademy.com/gracieinsiderjan09tom.htm > > Rear naked choke. **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. 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