Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 02:48:21 +0100 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 16 #32 - 10 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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RE: GM Lim & Iaido (sinmoohapkido hanwangsoolkwan) 2. Amended Bylaws and Board Minutes Posted (The_Dojang) 3. RE: hapkido and the sword (J R Hilland) 4. Molestation, again (Ray) 5. Re: GM Lim & Iaido (Christopher Spiller) 6. Re: Guhapdo/Iaido (was Re: Doju Choi 9th dans) (Christopher Spiller) 7. RE: Grip Strength (jeff kiral) 8. US Open Granted G-2 Rating (The_Dojang) 9. Fw: Did James Bond Know REAL Hand to Hand Combat? (Jye nigma) 10. Tae Kwon Do teacher accused of molestation (Ray) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: sinmoohapkido hanwangsoolkwan To: ray terry Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] GM Lim & Iaido Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2009 14:28:45 -0800 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Master Yung, of Korean Sin Moo Hapkido fame, taught me the same thing. Learn the system completely (as to hand technique, et cetra, et cetera), stick a sword in your hand, and be pleased with the proficiency one may feel with a few basic instructions as to the sword and its use. I have found this to be true with any weapon. Of course, it goes without saying, a thousand hours of practise can also help.("you musty slicy!") -------------Sabumnim King > From: thedojang@sbcglobal.net > To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] GM Lim & Iaido > Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2009 13:59:15 -0800 > > Ueshiba said the same of Aikido. > > Ray > > > On Jan 20, 2009, at 1:00 PM, jason white wrote: > > > GM Lim says that Choi, Yong Sool said that Hapkido & Swordsmanship > > go hand in > > hand. > _______________________________________________ > The_Dojang mailing list, 2,500 members > The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2009: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://the-dojang.net _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live™: Keep your life in sync. http://windowslive.com/howitworks?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t1_allup_howitworks_01200 9 --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2009 15:10:17 -0800 From: The_Dojang To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Amended Bylaws and Board Minutes Posted Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Amended Bylaws and Board Minutes Posted USA Taekwondo January 20, 2009 An amended version of the minutes from the December, 2008, USAT Board of Directors meeting has been posted along with an amended version of the USAT Bylaws. You can view the amended documents at http://www.usa-taekwondo.us/content/index/2308. --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "J R Hilland" To: Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2009 18:51:07 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: hapkido and the sword Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net In my daitoryu cross training days in the 80's, we practiced each technique unarmed and then the same technique with a sword. Often, when in the mood, I will teach a technique the same way. <<>> --__--__-- Message: 4 From: Ray To: The_Dojang Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2009 21:14:36 -0800 Subject: [The_Dojang] Molestation, again Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Burbank Tae Kwon Do Teacher Accused of Molestation BURBANK, Calif LA News Burbank police say there may be more victims of a tae kwon do instructor suspected of sexually molesting two boys. Suphachai Leeisaranukul, a 36-year-old Burbank resident also known as Chris Lee, was arrested on Jan. 6, Burbank police Detective Brian Gordon said. The District Attorney's Office has filed 10 counts of committing lewd acts on a child against Leeisaranukul, who is being held in lieu of $760,000 bail. Anyone with information about the suspect can call Gordon at (818) 238-3255. --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2009 06:39:13 -0800 (PST) From: Christopher Spiller To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: GM Lim & Iaido Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > GM Lim says that Choi, Yong Sool said that Hapkido & > Swordsmanship go hand in > hand. I've heard that before joining the JungKiKwan. > Many of the Hapkido > motions are very similar. When we go to Korea we do 2 > hours of HKD & 2 hours > of Iaido. >   > Jason White > Iron Dragon Martial Arts > www.WarriorVideos.Net > taekwonhapki@yahoo.com Mr. White, as Ray pointed out that was something that Morihei Ueshiba said of Aikido and kenjutsu. What I find interesting, however, is that it is also a relationship found in Daito Ryu, which may explain Sokaku Takeda's study of Ono-Ha Itto Ryu (just to draw things back to my initial question :-). Some of the relationship between the sword and Daito Ryucan be seen being demonstrated by Kondo Sensei of the mainline Daito Ryu here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yyO-jptgjx8 and here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHWT6q2PLi8 Both videos demostrate the same (or very similar) technique being applied against an armed opponent and then again against an unarmed opponent while the defender is armed and then again while he is unarmed. Interesting, indeed, and, IMHO, may lend more weight to Choi Dojunim's the claim of Daito Ryu roots. Pax, Chris --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2009 06:56:10 -0800 (PST) From: Christopher Spiller To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Guhapdo/Iaido (was Re: Doju Choi 9th dans) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Chris Laclava said: > Posted by Chris Spiller - "I was wondeirng if you have > had the opportunity to > discuss with Grand Master Lim his reasoning for studing > Muso Jikiden Eishin > Ryu?" > > I haven't, but it's a great question. I just > emailed GM Lim asking him. I'll > let y'all know what I get back? That would be great, thanks! > Posted by Chris Spiller - "Also does his style of > Chung Suk Guhapdo consist > only of drawing and countering skills a la Iaido or does it > consist also of > more kenjutsu-like techniques (focusing on more general > swordsmanship)." > > I am not familiar with styles of Kenjutsu, but from my > limited knowledge I > woud say, yes it does contain Kenjutsu-like techniques. > Just so I am on the > same page, would you define "general > swordsmanship." Well, I was thinking along the lines that iaijutsu concentrates on the techniqies of drawing and cutting (from the initial draw), while kenjutsu would concentrate on any further techniques. It is perhaps a fine distinciton but one that Warner and Draeger make in "Japanese Swordsmanship" (I'm not one of those guys who deifies Donn Draeger, though, so I'm not married to that definition ;-). As a non-practitioner's off the top of my head definition, I'd say that kenjutsu focuses on sword techniques in general and iaijutsu focuses on drawing and the initial cutting. Just to let you know, I practice neither Hapkido nor iaijutsu/kenjusu (although those arts do interest me and I hope some time to be able to practice Choi Yong Sul-rooted hapkido) and so I greatly appreciate your taking the time to answr my questions and even ask Grand Master Lim about his practice. The relationship between hapkido and Daito Ryu and, hence, swordsmanship is rather an interesting one (even if there are plenty of historical questions that remain unanswered). Pax, Chris --__--__-- Message: 7 Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2009 07:34:17 -0800 (PST) From: jeff kiral To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: Grip Strength Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net If you investigate the Ross Training website, you can also find some other interesting ways to work your grip strength. Try doing the alternating pronated / supinated dynamic pullups. Also, I like the idea of trying to carry around a stability / pilates ball filled with water. Another thing that is sometimes ovelooked is the good old fashioned exergrip ( the hand held squeeze tool ). I love this thing, you just have to use it alot. Alternate how you hold it, and try using it while leaving fingers free ( i.e. don't use your middle finger when you use it, etc. ). Another solid way to develop grabbing and holding ability is through lots of standup judo play where both players have a double weave judo / jiujitsu uniform. I dabble in Shuai Chiao occasionally, and let me tell you, grappling with those jackets on will really test and build the muscles in your hands and forearms. Best Regards, Jeff Kiral Applications Engineer Pacific Fuel Cell     --__--__-- Message: 8 Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2009 14:13:10 -0800 From: The_Dojang To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] US Open Granted G-2 Rating Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net 2009 U.S. Open Granted G-2 Rating by WTF USA Taekwondo January 21, 2009 As part of its World Ranking system which came into effect on January 1, 2009, the World Taekwondo Federation has announced the ranking grades of the WTF events for 2009. The upcoming 2009 U.S. Open, held Feb. 12-15 in Las Vegas, Nev., received the only G-2 rating among the international opens on the 2009 calendar. All other international opens were rated G-1. The complete announcement regarding the ratings can be found on the WTF News page (wtf.org). --__--__-- Message: 9 Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2009 17:36:34 -0800 (PST) From: Jye nigma To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Fw: Did James Bond Know REAL Hand to Hand Combat? Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net *from the Mentalist blog* *Did James Bond Know REAL Hand to Hand Combat?* Whenever an action film becomes a big hit there is always a rush to emulate the heroes of the film. Whether it is buying film merchandise or real life items like cars, firearms, and clothes people get into a film whole heartedly. Martial arts films are no different as people run out to the local dojo to train in the art that helped the hero save the day. Most honest martial arts instructors will explain that it takes years to learn a martial art, and that those films are seldom a good example of how any martial art really works. Film makers are seldom satisfied with reality and feel a need to improve upon even the most impressive real life situations. The exception though is when knowledgeable people are involved with a project and its creation and reality become part of the fantasy. The James Bond series is a good example of a blend of fantasy and reality. The fantasy side of James Bond is he is able to accomplish what normally takes a whole team of operatives to do in real life espionage assignments. He doesn't have to deal with any of the dirty or boring parts of intelligence gathering (read sitting in an uncomfortable place, drinking coffee and waiting for extremely long periods of time). Many agents of the CIA and British MI6 will tell you that a lot of what they do is boring, but can still become extremely dangerous in a blink of an eye. For many agents an assignment involves slogging through the mud of some third world hellhole not dinning at the finest restaurants in some of the world's most beautiful cities. What the fictional 007 does draw from reality is his martial arts forms. With the exception of one film, You Only Live Twice where 007 learned Ninjitsu (taught to Sean Connery by real life martial arts expert Donn Draeger) the martial art of choice for the British spy in over 20 films is combat Judo. The martial arts form allows Bond to take on much larger opponents, and use their weight against them in personal combat. In From Russia with Love Bond was able to take on a well armed assassin, and turn the tables thanks to his Judo training. For a spy dealing with an ever changing battlefield, pre-world war II Judo is the perfect choice, because it allowed him to be flexible, and different techniques can be seen scattered throughout the films. This form of Judo is nothing if not practical and for a spy operating alone in the field there are no second chances. Bond was able to quickly defeat enemies and move on with the mission. The reality of James Bond's world comes from his creator Ian Fleming who drew from his many adventures and experiences in the world of espionage. Before Fleming wrote twelve novels and nine short stories featuring James Bond, secret agent 007 he would have many adventurers of his own. Educated at both Eton College and Sandhurst military academy Fleming would also go on to learn languages and work as both a stockbroker and journalist. Like Bond he enjoyed, many activities like scuba diving, mountain climbing, auto racing as well as smoking and drinking. When World War II began Fleming was an army reservist part of the famous Black Watch regiment, but transferred to the intelligence branch of the Royal Navy by its director Rear Admiral John Godfrey. Like his favorite character he would achieve the rank of Commander and take part in the planning of many operations in the European theater of the war. Many of the code names for these operations would later become names of Bond novels, and several of the characters of his books are said to be based of real people Fleming met while working in the British intelligence community. Nobody is exactly sure who Bond was based off of, but it is believed he was a combination of several colorful characters Fleming knew. He also helped setup the structure for the Office of Strategic Services (OSS) which would later become the CIA. During this time he was exposed to the many commando units who were using Judo as part of their unarmed combat training. Fleming would command his own unit of raiders and made sure to include Judo as apart of their training. Though it is only rumored that Fleming trained a secret Camp X in Canada which trained spies and commandos in close combat, assassination techniques, and sabotage a recent book says it more likely he just visited. What is clear though is Fleming learned well from what he saw, and he brought that to his writing. Fleming who helped to create the modern intelligence agency would spend the post war years creating a fictional world of spies and terrorists. Though fictional Bond's martial art of choice is still taught to intelligence operatives and remains the best choice some 50 years later. Special Air Service Regiment (SAS) the United Kingdom's Special Forces branch still use many of the commando tactics learned in WWII today. WWII combatives which include Judo have stood the test of time on screen, and on the battlefields of the world. Fleming and his peers didn't have the luxury of looking good on a mission. They needed what worked against the Nazis and the Imperial Japanese, and Judo was the choice of the founders of modern espionage. --__--__-- Message: 10 From: Ray To: The_Dojang Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2009 20:30:02 -0800 Subject: [The_Dojang] Tae Kwon Do teacher accused of molestation Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Tae Kwon Do teacher accused of molestation Burbank Leader - CA, United States BURBANK — Prosecutors have filed charges against a 36-year-old Tae Kwon Do instructor who is accused of molesting a 12-year-old boy and 15-year-old boy who ... http://www.burbankleader.com/articles/2009/01/21/news/blr-safetybrf.txt --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2009: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. 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