Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 02:48:21 +0100 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 16 #39 - 11 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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Re: sorry to have to ask this (gordo) 2. Re: Sorry to have to ask this (James O'Connor) 3. Re: Sorry to have to ask this (James O'Connor) 4. Re: Sorry to have to ask this (Lee Morgan) 5. Re: Sorry to have to ask this (Jim @ KO-Online.com) 6. hapkido competition? (Jye nigma) 7. Ju Jitsu training (James Allison) 8. gang-bangers (David Weller) 9. Re: gang-bangers (Jye nigma) 10. Helio Gracie, RIP (Ray) 11. World Poomsae Medalist Among US Open Competitors (Ray) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "gordo" To: Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 11:59:26 +1100 Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: sorry to have to ask this Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Just the testicles? What about the eyes and throat. Also, when I worked in a nightclub in my twenties one of the security guards got part of his ear bitten off by a guy when he started to roll with him. No martial art is perfect and some are better suited for certain situations than others. --__--__-- Message: 2 From: James O'Connor To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Sorry to have to ask this Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 16:41:37 -0700 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net May as well as why Taekwondoists fight like they have no head to protect :) Seriously, there are moves in BJJ that put pressure on the groin that I happen to find very uncomfortable without some sorta protection. Can you do these moves without a cup? Um..yes although they would require some adjustment to how you are applying pressure. More importantly, would you really 'fight' like that? For the technique I'm really thinking about, a certain arm bar. I would say no, not because of lack of protection in a real fight but simply because the position you are in leaves you very vulnerable position for other attacks so I wouldn't do an arm bar like that anyway unless there were other mitigating factors. But the sport allows the technique(s) and the technique makes sense within the theories of how BJJ works so you drill them in the safe environment of the mat with protection. Or if you just mean in general for situations like pulling guard which tends to expose your groin to having punches rained down on it, well...that's the difference between the sport allowing you to put yourself in scenarios that real life would suggest that you don't. Making the mental switch depends on your training. But to me, BJJ is a back up plan. It's "how do I keep from being taken down?", "how do I survive while I'm down?", "how do I get back up?" For self-defense it's a transitional phase from standing to standing if I need it, but it's not where I want to fight. On Jan 28, 2009, at 3:46 PM, Jeremy Callner wrote: > Hi Everybody, > I am baffled by something, and I want to know what your opinions > are. I have been a hapkidoist for 12 years. I just joined a jiu > jitsu school for reasons that are irrelevant to this post. Maybe > just I'm inexperienced, and my perspective will change with more > time on the mat, but it seems to me, that jiu jitsu practitioners > fight as if they don't have testicles to protect. It seems like they > are always open. Am I imagining this? I plan to ask about this at my > new school when the time is right, but I wanted to hear your > opinions too. > thanks, > jeremy > _______________________________________________ > The_Dojang mailing list, 2,500 members > The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2009: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://the-dojang.net --__--__-- Message: 3 From: James O'Connor To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Sorry to have to ask this Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 16:49:17 -0700 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > Hi Everybody, > I am baffled by something, and I want to know what your opinions > are. I have been a hapkidoist for 12 years. I just joined a jiu > jitsu school for reasons that are irrelevant to this post. FWIW I think that's an excellent blending. We train BJJ as wall as Hapkido and our 'hoshinsul' incorporates both (from escape to joint manipulation to take down to control and damage) I'm being overly 'modal' in my thinking here but the flow from "Hapkido" to "BJJ" works very well depending the on t he goals and the motivations of a move --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 21:24:04 -0500 From: Lee Morgan To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Sorry to have to ask this Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hello Jeremy, I'm not a jujitsu ka, but some of the guys I train with are. I've noticed that a couple of them who train in Brazilian jujitsu don't protect their family jewels very well, while one of my friends who teaches Gendai jujitsu does. According to all three of them (two from BJ and the other from GJ) BJ was based more on Kodokan Judo, while GJ was based more on the older traditional fighting arts. One seemed to be more focused on sport/development, while the other seemed to be more focused on surviving. Again, this isn't coming from a jujitsu ka, so I'm sure there are others who are more qualified to answer your question. Lee Morgan --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 21:48:59 -0600 To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net From: "Jim @ KO-Online.com" Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Sorry to have to ask this Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >I think it is just the "sport" mentality compared to, as you said >"fight" mindset. I teach traditional TaeKwonDo so I see this most >close to home in the sport TaeKwonDo world were the "play" TaeKwonDo >and fight as if they have no head to protect. MMA fighters think >they are as realistic as possible but they ( for the most part ) >don't allow kicks/knees to the head when down or no strikes to the >throat, eyes or groin. Because of this you see they have adopted a >more open stance. Most rules also don't allow for kicks to the >knees as well. It is a danger of complacency if you think your art >is the best when you only fight with your rules. Jim Grimestad Red River Traditional TaeKwonDo KO-Online.com >Hi Everybody, >I am baffled by something, and I want to know what your opinions >are. I have been a hapkidoist for 12 years. I just joined a jiu >jitsu school for reasons that are irrelevant to this post. Maybe >just I'm inexperienced, and my perspective will change with more >time on the mat, but it seems to me, that jiu jitsu practitioners >fight as if they don't have testicles to protect. It seems like they >are always open. Am I imagining this? I plan to ask about this at my >new school when the time is right, but I wanted to hear your opinions too. >thanks, >jeremy --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 20:19:49 -0800 (PST) From: Jye nigma To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] hapkido competition? Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9Qo2-BWwD4&feature=related   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hEGgfIu70Gc&feature=related   This instructor has a gift with his words in my opinion: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6h9iSJt9ok&feature=related   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vkh-yBixA7Q&feature=related   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bos8MYMTkP0&feature=related     --__--__-- Message: 7 Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 20:45:17 -0800 (PST) From: James Allison To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Ju Jitsu training Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net " don't have testicles to protect. It seems like they are always open. Am I imagining this? You could always just kick them and find out! But seriously Jeremy, if you are studying sport Ju Jitsu then the groin is off limits in competition, as well as the eyes, throat, ears, small joints, spine and most other areas you would stirke, kick and try to break in a fight. Respectfully yours in Sin Moo Hapkido, James Allison www.hapkido-america.com --__--__-- Message: 8 From: David Weller Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 12:13:24 -0600 To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] gang-bangers Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hi Jye, So this high ranking LK goombah didn't have an LK Tatt http:// gangink.com and didn't wear his colors (black and gold)? I was under the impression that these were an integral part of gang life. But I am from the middle of Kansas, what do I know.....?? dave On Jan 28, 2009, at 7:48 PM, the_dojang- request@martialartsresource.net wrote: > I used to go to college with a good friend > of mine who happened to be a crown in the Latin Kings; a crown is a > high > ranking leader. If you look at us we both looked like 2 average > joes going to > school, but the people who knew us knew we were anything but > average joes. --__--__-- Message: 9 Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 11:01:02 -0800 (PST) From: Jye nigma Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] gang-bangers To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net To give you an idea you would have never known. He was handsome, articulate, and SMART ASS HELL!!! Yeah he has tats but they were covered and no he didn't wear black and gold. In the northeast gangs identify themselves with colored beads. Now when we were out and about it was a different story but during class you couldn't tell anything. It's usually the YGs that do all that wearing clothes that are the color of your nation. The OGs not so much unless something is going on.   As far as being tatted up (wearing tattoos) there are some gangs that require it and some members do it willingly. A major rival to LKs in CT were/are Los Solidos and it's a requirement. But some nations didn't require it. For instance I'm tattoo free. never had a drop of ink on me but everyone knew who I was in my state. Nowadays the gangs are filled with young "cats" if you catch my drift. My advice to everyone is get a gun, get training, and be ready because these youngsters have no concept of honor or respect etc. They mess with civilians and do ridiculous stuff so be prepared.   Jye --- On Thu, 1/29/09, David Weller wrote: From: David Weller Subject: [The_Dojang] gang-bangers To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Thursday, January 29, 2009, 1:13 PM Hi Jye, So this high ranking LK goombah didn't have an LK Tatt http://gangink.com and didn't wear his colors (black and gold)? I was under the impression that these were an integral part of gang life. But I am from the middle of Kansas, what do I know.....?? dave On Jan 28, 2009, at 7:48 PM, the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net wrote: > I used to go to college with a good friend > of mine who happened to be a crown in the Latin Kings; a crown is a high > ranking leader. If you look at us we both looked like 2 average joes going to > school, but the people who knew us knew we were anything but average joes. _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 2,500 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2009: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers applySubscribe or Unsubscribe: http://the-dojang.net --__--__-- Message: 10 From: Ray To: The_Dojang Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 12:39:28 -0800 Subject: [The_Dojang] Helio Gracie, RIP Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net BJJer Helio Gracie, 95, Passes Away --__--__-- Message: 11 From: Ray To: The_Dojang Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 14:23:34 -0800 Subject: [The_Dojang] World Poomsae Medalist Among US Open Competitors Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net World Poomsae Bronze Medalist Dure Chang Among U.S. Open Competitors USA Taekwondo January 28, 2009 2008 World Poomsae bronze medalist Dure Chang (Anchorage, Alaska) leads a group of 14 U.S. National Poomsae Team members registered for the Feb. 12-15 U.S. Open in Las Vegas. Chang captured the bronze medal in the Female 1st Masters division at the 3rd WTF World Poomsae Championships held in Turkey last month. Chang will be joined in Las Vegas by her 2008 National Team members Aline Salzberg (Chatsworth, Calif.), Anthony Nguyen (Chandler, Ariz.), Garth Cooley (Indianapolis, Ind.), Mariel Calinog (Granada Hills, Calif.), Lilian Angel (Orange, Calif.), Muhammad Chishti (Carlsbad, Calif.), Maisey Calinog (Granada Hills, Calif.), Johnny Nguyen (Tempe, Ariz.), Matthew Dunlap (Hermiston, Ore.), Madison Motoyasu (Santa Clarita, Calif.), Reggie Ubiadas (Simi Valley, Calif.) and Jason Hwang (Rancho Cucamonga, Calif.). Also competing will be 2007 U.S. National Poomsae Team member Jeff Anderson (San Jose, Calif.). --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2009: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest