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(Jye nigma) 2. First in US. (Ray) 3. RE: First in US. (michael tomlinson) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 13:41:56 -0800 (PST) From: Jye nigma Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] First in US. To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Here is his reply:    I was the original Associate editor at Black Belt under the name Bill Evans. Bruci Lee wrote his first article for me which as so bad the editor threw it on the ground (I still have a copy and one of Bruce's letters to me before he trained with me is in his collection of letters). The Hapkido analysis was early on and for years I heard myself being quoted anytime Hapkido was demo'd somewhere... I don't have any of those old copies. Although, come to think of it, since there were only about three of us and a photographer (I was backup photo) in the first couple of years, we sometimes used other pseudonyms to make it appear more people worked on the first martial arts magazine. --- On Mon, 2/9/09, Ray wrote: From: Ray Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] First in US. To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Monday, February 9, 2009, 9:56 AM Is this person perhaps Bill Knittle aka William Upton-Knittle aka An Tsu aka An Tzu aka "b", from UCLA? And supposedly when he wrote for Black Belt in the 60s he used a different name that he did not reveal??? If so I don't believe that he ever made that claim when he hung around here up until about ten years ago. I seem to recall him being "ordained as a Buddhist monk in all traditions" and Aikido, but not Hapkido. Ray On Feb 9, 2009, at 5:09 AM, Jye wrote: > From time to time on another group I see a guy write about some martial art > (authoritively) and he always makes various claims (teaching Bruce Lee, > writing for Black Belt magazinem, etc) This time this individual writes that > he was the "...first Caucasin in the US to study Hapkido and write the first > assessment of the art in 'Black Belt'". Now my question is who was the first > caucasin to learn hapkido in the U.S.? is there a way to actually know that? I > asked him what his name was and what the name of the article he supposedly > wrote for Black Belt was. _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 2,500 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2009: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers applySubscribe or Unsubscribe: http://the-dojang.net --__--__-- Message: 2 From: Ray To: The_Dojang Subject: [The_Dojang] First in US. Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 18:04:36 -0800 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Sounds like the same fellow that I mention below. fwiw, as I recall he did seem to have some knowledge and training, but not sure about Hapkido. In general his attitude was always one of "anything taught after the 1960s is total cr@p". Now in some cases that may not be too far off the mark, but the real issue was that he would never backup his statements when pressed for more info or for his reasoning. He would simply disappear for several months, then reappear for two weeks, tell everyone they didn't know anything and that he did, and then he'd disappear again for months. I never heard of anyone that actually saw him do more than just talk. But who knows... Ray On Feb 9, 2009, at 1:41 PM, Jye nigma wrote: > Here is his reply: > > I was the original Associate editor at Black Belt under the name Bill > Evans. Bruci Lee wrote his first article for me which as so bad the > editor threw it on the ground (I still have a copy and one of Bruce's > letters to me before he trained with me is in his collection of > letters). The Hapkido analysis was early on and for years I heard > myself > being quoted anytime Hapkido was demo'd somewhere... I don't have > any of > those old copies. Although, come to think of it, since there were only > about three of us and a photographer (I was backup photo) in the first > couple of years, we sometimes used other pseudonyms to make it appear > more people worked on the first martial arts magazine. > > --- On Mon, 2/9/09, Ray wrote: > > From: Ray > Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] First in US. > To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > Date: Monday, February 9, 2009, 9:56 AM > > Is this person perhaps Bill Knittle aka William Upton-Knittle aka ... --__--__-- Message: 3 From: michael tomlinson To: Dojang Digest Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] First in US. Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 13:11:30 +0000 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net ahhhh the lovely world of computer Grand Masters and sages and prophets...let's see over the years I can't count how many people I've talked to that fit this category...and the ex bar bouncers who know all the real techniques when it comes to martial arts..let's see they all surfaced right after that movie Roadhouse..before that every bouncer I knew was only doing the job to get hooked up with girls and free stuff...and now it's the 19 year old MMA fighters that watch the UFC and buy the tapout t'shirts and know everything about "real" fighting..it never ends...I remember when I worked out with Stephen Hayes back in the early 80's once before class this young dude showed up and said that he had read a couple of the Hayes "ninja" books and because of them he sold everything he owned in Oregon and drove his car to Dayton Ohio and wanted to be a disciple of "shidoshi Hayes"..he said he had just arrived in Dayton and had no where to live but he didn't care he wanted to be a ninja..everyone looked at him like he was a friggin lunatic!! He was there about a month and then dissappeared...whew...oh boy!! Once the work and monotony and repetition starts and the new wears off it is much easier to become a computer Grand Master... Michael Tomlinson ps...did I ever tell you guys I can levitate?? _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live™: E-mail. Chat. Share. Get more ways to connect. http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t2_allup_explore_022009 --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2009: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest