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Foreigners Comment (Ray) 2. Gov't to Promote (Ray) 3. Re: Gov't to Promote (Beth Hicks) 4. Hapkido & Healing Seminar (jason white) 5. Re: Dr. Kimm's book about hapkido and Korean history (Hankido) 6. RE: Re: Dr. Kimm's book about hapkido and Korean history (michael tomlinson) 7. Re: Re: Dr. Kimm's book about hapkido and Korean history (Ray) 8. Re: Gov't to Promote (Jye nigma) 9. RE: Hapkido & Healing Seminar (michael tomlinson) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: Ray To: The_Dojang Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 16:59:34 -0700 Subject: [The_Dojang] Foreigners Comment Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Foreigners Comment on Korea's National Image Chosun.com Inter-Korean confrontation, insufficient contributions to the international community, and domestic political and social unrest are some of the reasons foreigners cite why Korea's national brand ranks only 33rd in the world. The Presidential Council on Nation Branding on Tuesday published a survey conducted by World Research in February of Korea's image among 1,000 foreigners living here, including staff of foreign firms, foreign students and members of bi-national families. Respondents were allowed to give multiple answers. Most, or 48.4 percent, of respondents cited inter-Korean confrontation as a reason why Korea's national brand is undervalued. This group was followed by 44.1 percent who cited Korea's insufficient contributions to the international community; 41.5 percent who cited political and social unrest; 38.8 percent who said Korea is not attractive as a destination for immigration or tourism; and 37.5 percent who talked about Koreans' lack of sufficient etiquette during overseas travel. Some 54.8 percent of foreigners from Western countries picked inter- Korean confrontation as the biggest factor leading to the national brand being undervalued. As "typically Korean," respondents cited kimchi and bulgogi (30.4 percent), Hanbok or Korean costume (27.9 percent), Hangul (16.1 percent), Taekwondo (8 percent), and the flag or Taegukgi (3.6 percent). As things Korea can be proud of they cited a long history (22.8 percent), food (17.9 percent), national characteristics (11 percent), science and technology (10.6 percent), and educational level and enthusiasm (8.8 percent). As positive images, they cited information and communications (34.9 percent), the economy (13.2 percent), science and technology (13 percent), culture and arts (8.8 percent), and education (8 percent). Among negative images, they mentioned politics (29.7 percent), press (9.8 percent), the economy (9.2 percent), foreign relations and security (8.5 percent), and the environment (8.2 percent). Asked about difficulties they face when visiting or staying in Korea, respondents cited immigration procedures (53.3 percent), food (31.4 percent), public transport (24.9 percent), accommodation (24.8 percent), tourist information (19.1 percent), and road signs (16.3 percent). --__--__-- Message: 2 From: Ray To: The_Dojang Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 16:57:36 -0700 Subject: [The_Dojang] Gov't to Promote Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Gov't to Promote Korean Language, Taekwondo Chosun.com To chip in with the government's efforts to improve the country's national brand value, the Culture Ministry says it will be doing its part by promoting Korean culture to the world. First, the ministry plans to integrate the names of global institutes that provide information on the Korean language as the King Sejong Institute by next year. A head office for the institutes is scheduled to be built by 2011. This is aimed at making it easier for non-Koreans to recognize the name and to gain improved access to language education. In line with this plan, the ministry says it will also establish an integrated Korean language education system called "u-King Sejong Institute." The system will offer online lectures and information on Korean in a number of foreign languages by the end of this year and support an international network of qualified teachers over the next three years. Meanwhile, the ministry also plans to globalize Korea's national sport, taekwondo, through its "Enjoy Taekwondo" project. As part of this project, the ministry will back the development of taekwondo- related content such as video games and movies. By 2011, a hall dedicated to year-round demonstrations of the martial art will be constructed and tour packages will be developed to attract more interest internationally. The ministry says it will send more taekwondo instructors overseas and develop an online manual. Arirang News --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 15:31:34 +0900 Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Gov't to Promote From: Beth Hicks To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net this is so awesome! i think it's great that the gov't is encouraging this... Along with Japan, Korea is the leading maker of techo- products, and that industry needs better translators... i have had convos with some of the samsung translators here... >_< they need help...some are great, some....well...not. Çѱ¹¸»Àº ¯! ^___^ it would also be much easier for those in the MA business to communicate with the Korean masters. On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 8:57 AM, Ray wrote: > Gov't to Promote Korean Language, Taekwondo > Chosun.com > > To chip in with the government's efforts to improve the country's national > brand value, the Culture Ministry says it will be doing its part by > promoting Korean culture to the world. > > First, the ministry plans to integrate the names of global institutes that > provide information on the Korean language as the King Sejong Institute by > next year. A head office for the institutes is scheduled to be built by > 2011. > > This is aimed at making it easier for non-Koreans to recognize the name and > to gain improved access to language education. In line with this plan, the > ministry says it will also establish an integrated Korean language education > system called "u-King Sejong Institute." The system will offer online > lectures and information on Korean in a number of foreign languages by the > end of this year and support an international network of qualified teachers > over the next three years. > > Meanwhile, the ministry also plans to globalize Korea's national sport, > taekwondo, through its "Enjoy Taekwondo" project. As part of this project, > the ministry will back the development of taekwondo-related content such as > video games and movies. > > By 2011, a hall dedicated to year-round demonstrations of the martial art > will be constructed and tour packages will be developed to attract more > interest internationally. The ministry says it will send more taekwondo > instructors overseas and develop an online manual. > > Arirang News > _______________________________________________ > The_Dojang mailing list, 2,500 members > The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2009: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers applySubscribe or Unsubscribe: http://the-dojang.net --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 21:53:12 -0700 (PDT) From: jason white To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Hapkido & Healing Seminar Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Were having Chris LaCava come out from Conneticut this weeend for a Hapkido & Self Healing seminar. It will be at Iron Dragon Martial Arts Friday from 6-8 Hapkido 8-10 Healing. It'll be $30 for one & $50 for both seminars. This will be his third year. Afterwards we'll all go eat & hang out for awhile. Everyone is invited!   Iron Dragon Martial Arts 505 Maxey Rd Ste C,D,E Houston TX 77013   Jason White taekwonhapki@yahoo.com www.WarriorVideos.Net --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 14:14:11 +0100 From: Hankido To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Dr. Kimm's book about hapkido and Korean history Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >Overall, from what I have read so far, our current understanding of the >history of hapkido has a lot of blanks and even many errors, I have only >read a few hundred pages and have a LOT more to read, but this book really >fills in the blanks and changes a lot of misconceptions about the history of >hapkido and I am glad I got it. I really don't understand how you can be so positive about this book. The following is a rewrite of what I posted on a internet forum last year, just after the release of the book. On hapkidoforum.com people had told me that the huge amount of spelling errors don't bother them, I am more than a little surprised. I myself not being a native speaker of the English language have found a spelling error on almost every single page of the book. It certainly does annoy me. Dr. Kimm not being a native speaker of the English language is not excuse. Many of the mistakes would have been easily corrected if he had turned on the spellchecker in Word and if a few others had proof read the work. (if people have been proofreading it, they did a terrible job in pointing out that a lot of spelling errors were still in the manuscript). The history of Korea as described by Dr. Kimm is biased, fragmentary and nationalistic. Not something I would expect from someone with a Phd. in history and living in this day and age. I have seen quite some nationalistic Korean histories, but I must say that in the last ~20 years Korean scholars have become more and more objective. Dr. Kimm's work seems to have been written in the 60's or 70's of the 20th century. Theories about legends and how they would have related to actual history are presented as accepted history, black pages in Korean history are belittled and the virtues of Korean generals and kings are highlighted. I am sorry to say this, but if you buy the book, skip this part. There is much better material. After having read the history of Korea a presented by Dr. Kimm I was very sceptical about what he had to say about Korea's influence on Japan. I don't know much about Japanese history, but after having read Dr. Kimm's history of Korea I doubt that his history on Japan would be the best starting point for me to get acquainted with the subject. So I skipped most of it and just glanced through it briefly. I think the 'Japans culture comes from Korea' is a theory we have long left behind. As somebody else has put it: Korea might have provided the lumber, but it where the Japanese who build the house. If we would have to follow the 'Japanese culture comes from Korea'-theory, we might as well say that Korean culture is Chinese. The book has no references. We have to believe Dr. Kimm when he tells us that he a crossed checked what he wrote. I am getting more and more sceptic and doubt if I would recommend this book to anyone. I have looked ahead a bit already, trying to find information about things I am particularly interested in, and so far I haven't been really satisfied with the result. Having found at least one instance where it was clear to me that Dr. Kimm's one and only source could have been the internet. (I can know, because I was the person who put it there!!) The book is obviously put together by arranging a lot of notes. These notes sometimes contradict each other. So it is up to the reader to find out the truth. All Dr. Kimm does is: people told me this. He could have done a better job homogenizing (is this proper English) the material. Using one standard way to write the Korean names/words for example. Being more clear in who told what and where he got his notes from. Now it seems a bit like: I got a bunch of notes, slapped them together, wrote a bit about history, put some pictures next to it (some seem to have been downloaded from the net), and put it in a book. And is it me, or am I the only one who thinks that Dr. Kimm gives himself a bigger role than he actually has. When he writes that his Hapkido Bible is considered the standard work among hapkido people I wonder how he measured this. -- kind regards, Klaas Barends http://www.hapkidoforum.com/ --__--__-- Message: 6 From: michael tomlinson To: Dojang Digest Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Re: Dr. Kimm's book about hapkido and Korean history Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 19:13:53 +0000 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I won't get into the history or anything like that-I don't have those books...I have the Hapkido Bible 1 and 2 and the Kuk Sool Won book... but I know after studying the old school Korea Hapkido Association curriculum from Master Whalen up to 3rd Degree Black Belt, and testing for every geup and dahn belt in that system up to 3rd dan...when I looked at the Hapkido Bible volume 1 it is "exactly" like the KHA belt sheets I have from the 80's and Master Whalen had those sheets before then....the Hapkido Bible 1 is also the equivalent of Sin Moo Hapkido Lite...I mean all the techniques are in there...in different order and without Ji Han Jae's voice in the back of my head telling me which way to pivot my body or how to place my hands, man I am so happy I have had the luck to study with him and Master Whalen. They got me hooked up and on point...and without debating or arguing I would say that Hapkido Bible Volume1 is the EXACT Hapkido I was taught and the EXACT Hapkido I practice and teach...although I learned a ton of grappling from my old wrestling coaches and a ton of weapon disarming and knife techniques from Master Whalen that I haven't seen in any other Hapkido book anywhere... I am fortunate enough to be teaching all those techniques to my guys in Florida, along with some good seminars around the LEO and SF world and this summer I will be heading overseas to the land of Asia and sand to teach these techniques to servicemen in some nefarious places...personally all hardcore Hapkido is ok with me...as long as it works first and the person teaching it has paid his dues on the mat and not through the mail if you know what I mean. For instance GM West and his zombies also practice great Hapkido and GM West's techniques remind me of the techniques in the Hapkido Bible 2..all of his guys are straight out of that curriculum and it shows when they are on the mat...and they do it very well... Although I have never met Klaas I have seen videos of his Hapkido buddies and they remind me of the Hapkido I got to practice with Master Nabors early on when he had the founder of Hoi Jeon Moo Sool come to his dojang and teach us his spin on Hapkido....I think he is the twin brother of Klaas's styles founder...and he also had some great Hapkido...it was more circular than the KHA or Sin Moo Styles but it was still effective and very fast...good stuff.. in closing the only Hapkido I have a probem with is the kind that don't work because the "founder", "father", "grandmaster", "ceo" etc...didn't spend the time to actually learn the art before going into business...to me that kind of Hapkido slaps all of us in the face and puts a big stain on the art we love and sweat and hurt ourselves for on the mat over the decades.. if you learn correctly, bust your ass on the mat then we are like cousins..and I'll treat you like such...if you bought your belt and videos the I'll slam the door in your face and sorry but I have no respect for that nonsense... Michael Tomlinson _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live™ Groups: Create an online spot for your favorite groups to meet. http://windowslive.com/online/groups?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_groups_032009 --__--__-- Message: 7 From: Ray To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Re: Dr. Kimm's book about hapkido and Korean history Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 10:52:35 -0700 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Well, as a test I did a random sampling of the pages in Dr. Kimm's new book. Using a sample size larger than indicated by sampling theory, but not every other page, I found no spelling errors. Perhaps an error based on the type of Romanization one might use and I found one sentence where the word "from" would have fit in nicely, but no wide spread spelling errors. Perhaps the errors of which you speak are clustered in one or two particular sections as opposed to spread throughout the book, but you did say on almost every page. I find no evidence of that. Now, regarding typos, I believe the book was printed in China. As a person that used to manage a tech pubs organization I know first hand that what is submitted to a printer is not 100% what comes out the other end. Yes, as part of the process you get a review copy to correct and return, but 700+ pages is a lot to proofread. That said, what other writer on Hapkido and/or the history of Hapkido can you point to that is more respected? Or even half as respected? I know of one or two that think of themselves in that category, but they are widely acknowledged as total nut cases. Fwiw... Ray Terry thedojang@sbcglobal.net --__--__-- Message: 8 Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 07:12:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Jye nigma Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Gov't to Promote To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Believe it or not, the leader in technology (as reported on the morning news) is {drum roll please} ..............Finland. yep! I was shocked to death when I watched the report. In fact Nokia is a Finland company. I thought Asian for sure. Diane Sawyer(?) did the reporting, I'll see if I can find it. Check this out the government actual pays the parents to stay home with their kids for I guess the first few years. So one parent can stay home and the other can work. Truly interesting and I'll see if I can find it.   Jye --- On Thu, 3/19/09, Beth Hicks wrote: From: Beth Hicks Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Gov't to Promote To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Thursday, March 19, 2009, 2:31 AM this is so awesome! i think it's great that the gov't is encouraging this... Along with Japan, Korea is the leading maker of techo- products, and that industry needs better translators... i have had convos with some of the samsung translators here... >_< they need help...some are great, some....well...not. 한국ë§ì€ 짱! ^___^ it would also be much easier for those in the MA business to communicate with the Korean masters. On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 8:57 AM, Ray wrote: > Gov't to Promote Korean Language, Taekwondo > Chosun.com > > To chip in with the government's efforts to improve the country's national > brand value, the Culture Ministry says it will be doing its part by > promoting Korean culture to the world. > > First, the ministry plans to integrate the names of global institutes that > provide information on the Korean language as the King Sejong Institute by > next year. A head office for the institutes is scheduled to be built by > 2011. > > This is aimed at making it easier for non-Koreans to recognize the name and > to gain improved access to language education. In line with this plan, the > ministry says it will also establish an integrated Korean language education > system called "u-King Sejong Institute." The system will offer online > lectures and information on Korean in a number of foreign languages by the > end of this year and support an international network of qualified teachers > over the next three years. > > Meanwhile, the ministry also plans to globalize Korea's national sport, > taekwondo, through its "Enjoy Taekwondo" project. As part of this project, > the ministry will back the development of taekwondo-related content such as > video games and movies. > > By 2011, a hall dedicated to year-round demonstrations of the martial art > will be constructed and tour packages will be developed to attract more > interest internationally. The ministry says it will send more taekwondo > instructors overseas and develop an online manual. > > Arirang News > _______________________________________________ > The_Dojang mailing list, 2,500 members > The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2009: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers applySubscribe or Unsubscribe: http://the-dojang.net _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 2,500 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2009: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://the-dojang.net --__--__-- Message: 9 From: michael tomlinson To: Dojang Digest Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Hapkido & Healing Seminar Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 19:15:38 +0000 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net If I was around I would be there...Chris is a good guy and knows his stuff...have fun dudes... Michael Tomlinson > Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 21:53:12 -0700 > From: taekwonhapki@yahoo.com > To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > Subject: [The_Dojang] Hapkido & Healing Seminar > > Were having Chris LaCava come out from Conneticut this weeend for a Hapkido & > Self Healing seminar. It will be at Iron Dragon Martial Arts Friday from 6-8 > Hapkido 8-10 Healing. It'll be $30 for one & $50 for both seminars. This will > be his third year. Afterwards we'll all go eat & hang out for awhile. Everyone > is invited! > > Iron Dragon Martial Arts > 505 Maxey Rd Ste C,D,E > Houston TX 77013 > > Jason White > taekwonhapki@yahoo.com > www.WarriorVideos.Net > _______________________________________________ > The_Dojang mailing list, 2,500 members > The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2009: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://the-dojang.net _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live™: Life without walls. http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_allup_1a_explore_032009 --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2009: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. 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