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Today's Topics:

   1. What do you know? (Victor.E.Dodge@jci.com)
   2. RE: Dr. Kimm's book about hapkido and Korean (J R Hilland)
   3. Dr. Kimm's book about hapkido and Korean (Robert Martin)

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Message: 1
Subject: [The_Dojang] What do you know?
To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net
From: Victor.E.Dodge@jci.com
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 17:31:25 -0500
Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net

Greetings everyone,
Is there anyone here on The Dojang that knows about Youn Wha and GMHMA
(GrandMaster Hans Martial Arts)?
Whatever you can tell me would be appreciated.
My sister is looking for a martial arts school in the Fayetteville, AR area
for her 9 year old son.
Thanks,
Victor Dodge

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Message: 2
From: "J R Hilland" <hapkido@far.midco.net>
To: <the_dojang@martialartsresource.net>
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 17:47:23 -0500
Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: Dr. Kimm's book about hapkido and Korean
Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net

<<<I really don't understand how you can be so positive about this book.>>>

Very simple really, if I get up on the wrong side of the bed in the morning in
a bad mood, I just go back to bed and try it again. :)

<<<I myself not being a native speaker of the English language have found a
spelling error on almost every single page of the book. It certainly does
annoy me.>>>

We must have read a different book. English was not my first language either,
Texan was.

<<<The book has no references.>>>

>From what I have seen it appears that Dr. Kimm does not quote other books in
this one. What is the point in doing that? The hapkido section is from
interviews. However the Bibliography is on pages 726 through 731 in small
print.

<<<And is it me, or am I the only one who thinks that Dr. Kimm gives himself a
bigger role than he actually has. When he writes that his Hapkido Bible is
considered the standard work among hapkido people I wonder how he measured
this.>>>

I think it is just you. There are some really, really bad books about hapkido
out there, and if I don't own them, I have read them. None of them come close
to Dr. Kimm's book. Marc Tedeschi's book comes the closest, but it is just a
copy/clone of 1 and 2 and the photos are too small for these old eyes.

As Ray said... <<<what other writer on Hapkido and/or the history of Hapkido
can you point to that is more respected?  Or even half as respected? I know of
one or two that think of themselves in that category, but they are widely
acknowledged as total nut cases.>>>

I am not really interested in reading more material on the history of Korea or
Japan. It is the history of hapkido that appeals to me and the ONLY reason I
bought this book. Dr. Kimm does state in his preface "It was not an easy job,
but I always sought confirmation from at least two other master's opinion on
all information. If I could not verify the fact, I didn't not put it on
paper." I know about only a handful of trips Dr. Kimm made around the globe
interviewing people for this book and that was only 9 years ago when his notes
for this book were way over 10k pages long. He also states "Writing the
Hapkido history book has been a very challenging job. First of all, at the age
of seventy years, it is not an easy job to sit for ten or twelve hours per day
writing more than a million words to finish this book". Note from me, he was
born in 1938.

Michael wrote: <<<But I know after studying the old school Korea Hapkido
Association curriculum from Master Whalen up to 3rd Degree Black Belt, and
testing for every geup and dahn belt in that system up to 3rd dan...when I
looked at the Hapkido Bible volume 1 it is "exactly" like the KHA belt sheets
I have from the 80's and Master Whalen had those sheets before then....the
Hapkido Bible 1 is also the equivalent of Sin Moo Hapkido Lite...>>>

That is exactly what I thought of Hapkido Volumes 1 & 2 when I first got them
last decade. Hapkido vol 1 is Sinmoo and hapkido vol. 2 is what the non-sinmoo
folks do. BTW Michael, you would really like the KHF section.

<<<For instance GM West and his zombies also practice great Hapkido and GM
West's techniques remind me of the techniques in the Hapkido Bible 2..all of
his guys are straight out of that curriculum and it shows when they are on the
mat...and they do it very well...>>>

As a proud zombie, I noticed that vol 2 is what we do. So I confess that it is
still my favorite hapkido book.

<<<In closing the only Hapkido I have a problem with is the kind that don't
work because the "founder", "father", "grandmaster", "ceo" etc...didn't spend
the time to actually learn the art before going into business...to me that
kind of Hapkido slaps all of us in the face and puts a big stain on the art we
love and sweat and hurt ourselves for on the mat over the decades.. if you
learn correctly, bust your ass on the mat then we are like cousins..and I'll
treat you like such...if you bought your belt and videos the I'll slam the
door in your face and sorry but I have no respect for that nonsense...>>>

Amen brother Michael, but I don't know if I would slam the door in someone's
face. Ok maybe JP and a few others. :) Translation 1: if you are not part of
the solution, you are part of the problem. Translation 2: When the green flag
drops, the BS stops!

It will take me many more months to finish reading the book. I am not really
sure that I will ever get to the history of Korea and Japan section. As I
stated before, not my interest.

Jere R. Hilland
www.FargoHapkido.com

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Message: 3
From: "Robert Martin" <kickerfour1999@yahoo.com>
To: <the_dojang@martialartsresource.net>
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 17:09:58 -0600
Subject: [The_Dojang] Dr. Kimm's book about hapkido and Korean
Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net

What! A slander on printers!?! (I'm into my 39th year of printing and
publishing.) I'll have to call you out on the mat...wait, I may be a printer
but I didn't let the ink go to my head that badly.

With very few exceptions you'll find spelling and grammatical errors in
almost any publication -- worse now that we let the computers do most of the
work.

Robert Martin
An old printer

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Message: 7
From: Ray <thedojang@sbcglobal.net>
To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net
Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Re: Dr. Kimm's book about hapkido and Korean
  history
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 10:52:35 -0700
Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net

Well, as a test I did a random sampling of the pages in Dr. Kimm's new  
book.  Using a sample size larger than indicated by sampling theory,  
but not every other page, I found no spelling errors.  Perhaps an  
error based on the type of Romanization one might use and I found one  
sentence where the word "from" would have fit in nicely, but no wide  
spread spelling errors.  Perhaps the errors of which you speak are  
clustered in one or two particular sections as opposed to spread  
throughout the book, but you did say on almost every page.  I find no  
evidence of that.

Now, regarding typos, I believe the book was printed in China.  As a  
person that used to manage a tech pubs organization I know first hand  
that what is submitted to a printer is not 100% what comes out the  
other end.  Yes, as part of the process you get a review copy to  
correct and return, but 700+ pages is a lot to proofread.

That said, what other writer on Hapkido and/or the history of Hapkido  
can you point to that is more respected?  Or even half as respected?   
I know of one or two that think of themselves in that category, but  
they are widely acknowledged as total nut cases.

Fwiw...

Ray Terry
thedojang@sbcglobal.net



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