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Re: What is Karate (Thomas Gordon) Mas Oyama (Curt McCauley) 2. Re: What is Karate (Bob Banham) 3. Re: Mas Oyama (zisheged@aol.com) 4. Re: What is Karate (Bob Banham) 5. What is karate (freddie bishop) 6. Re: Re: Mas Oyama (Ray) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "Curt McCauley" To: Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 21:18:53 -0700 Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: What is Karate (Thomas Gordon) Mas Oyama Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Dear folks, I think this has been discussed before, but Mas Oyama was Korean. Born Yee Hyung ( or Yong-i Choi per martial art news June 94) in Kimje Korea, near Gumsan on July 27, 1923. He studied Chabi ( AKA "Taiken" or probably Tae Kyun), also apparently Moo Duk Kwan, as well as Shotokahn, and Go Ju Ryu. He founded Kyokushinkai Karate. I believe the stories of killing the bull are true. However there seem to be a lot of conflicting stories about him. Here is a youtube address. You can follow a lot of his doings. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FteS-NxwXsA, Respectfully submitted, Curt McCauley Channel Town Soo Bahk Do --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "Bob Banham" To: Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] What is Karate Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 12:47:49 -0000 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I too have a copy of that book. Kyukohinkai was my first karate style before I discovered KMA and it's a very hard style. And Mas Oyama was Korean! Bob Banham ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Gordon" To: Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 3:39 AM Subject: [The_Dojang] What is Karate > Just got done reading an interesting book written by eighth degree > Masutatsu > Oyama entitled "What is Karate" - published 1958. > > > > At the time of the writing, he claimed he left the first organization due > to > politics. Funny reading that 50 years later and all the politics we have > in > martial arts now. He also laid claim to killing a 1250lb bull (after > breaking off his 14" long horn that 4" round "at its root"), doing 175lbs > for 500 reps a day "from a prone position" (bench press), and having > calluses on his hand that could withstand a strike from a hammer. > Everything had pictures - even the hammer strike (ouch!). > > > > Also show board breaking, weight lifting, knife defense (with elbow break, > knee to groin, outside wrist lock, and windpipe choke), gun defense that > looks very similar to some Hapkido techniques, and even defense using an > umbrella. Double leg takedown, fireman's carry, and other things. > > > > Pretty neat read if you can find a copy. > > > > Sincerely, > > > > Thomas Gordon > > Master's Seminars on April 17-19, 2009 > > www.GordonMartialArts.com/new/2009-0419 --__--__-- Message: 3 To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 10:27:32 -0400 From: zisheged@aol.com Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Mas Oyama Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I find it very curious that Mas Oyama, born in Korea, rejected the Korean martial arts forms of his day to move to Japan, take up a Japanese name and immerse himself into Japanese Karate. He did this at a time when Japan was hated by Korea. Oyama's approach to Karate and training itself is the most brutal I've ever experienced. Zeishe --__--__-- Message: 4 From: "Bob Banham" To: Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] What is Karate Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 12:59:24 -0000 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Ther's a video of Oyama fighting the bull - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lyo4itn-y8w Bob Banham ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Gordon" To: Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 3:39 AM Subject: [The_Dojang] What is Karate > Just got done reading an interesting book written by eighth degree > Masutatsu > Oyama entitled "What is Karate" - published 1958. > > > > At the time of the writing, he claimed he left the first organization due > to > politics. Funny reading that 50 years later and all the politics we have > in > martial arts now. He also laid claim to killing a 1250lb bull (after > breaking off his 14" long horn that 4" round "at its root"), doing 175lbs > for 500 reps a day "from a prone position" (bench press), and having > calluses on his hand that could withstand a strike from a hammer. > Everything had pictures - even the hammer strike (ouch!). > > > > Also show board breaking, weight lifting, knife defense (with elbow break, > knee to groin, outside wrist lock, and windpipe choke), gun defense that > looks very similar to some Hapkido techniques, and even defense using an > umbrella. Double leg takedown, fireman's carry, and other things. > > > > Pretty neat read if you can find a copy. > > > > Sincerely, > > > > Thomas Gordon > > Master's Seminars on April 17-19, 2009 > > www.GordonMartialArts.com/new/2009-0419 --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 05:08:15 -0700 (PDT) From: freddie bishop To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] What is karate Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net The tae kwon do that I learned was identical to Oyama's karate, kyokushin. Including the pinan, nahanchi, and bassai forms. Fred --__--__-- Message: 6 From: Ray To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Re: Mas Oyama Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 10:31:03 -0700 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Yes, the Japanese were, and in many cases still are, hated by the Koreans, the Filipinos, the Americans, a long list. He was born in 1923 and the Japanese were in total control of Korea, Manchuria, etc. at that time. Mas was first sent to Manchuria as a young child and a few years later moved to Japan. He moved there not to study martial arts, but to enlist in the army. It wasn't until after WWII that he began his study of martial arts and after WWII he had then been away from Korea for close to 15 years. I assume in his mind it made more sense to stay in the country that he knew best at that time and that was Japan. Ray On Mar 28, 2009, at 7:27 AM, zisheged@aol.com wrote: > I find it very curious that Mas Oyama, born in Korea, rejected the > Korean martial arts forms of his day to move to Japan, take up a > Japanese name and immerse himself into Japanese Karate. He did this > at a time when Japan was hated by Korea. Oyama's approach to Karate > and training itself is the most brutal I've ever experienced. > > > Zeishe --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2009: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest