Date: Thu, 02 Apr 2009 02:48:22 +0200 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 16 #93 - 7 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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April 3 deadline (The_Dojang) 2. Re: Integration of North and South and ITF/WTF (zisheged@aol.com) 3. RE: Re: Integration of North and South and ITF/WTF (michael tomlinson) 4. Fw: Re: Taekwondo Hall of Fame (Jye nigma) 5. Barking Dog correspondence (Allan Schein) 6. Sippalki - The Korean Martial Art of the Muyedobotongji. (mdealba@comcast.net) 7. Re: Barking Dog correspondence (Ray) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 16:07:42 -0700 From: The_Dojang To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] April 3 deadline Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net USAT Travel Team Opportunity - Deadline is Friday, April 3 USA Taekwondo is looking to create international travel teams. The purpose is to provide significant international experience for young USA athletes to further their taekwondo development. All teams will be coached by members of the U.S. National Team coaching staff and will be accompanied by a team manager and trainer. Athletes on this team will receive first-hand experience in the USAT National Team system on travel, training and preparation for international tournaments. Read More @ http://usa-taekwondo.us/news/article/10072 --__--__-- Message: 2 To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Wed, 01 Apr 2009 10:18:41 -0400 From: zisheged@aol.com Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Integration of North and South and ITF/WTF Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I sometimes wonder if the reunification of Korea will be easier than the ITF/WTF integration. That being siad, no doubt the integration will take place in plenty of time for the next Olympics. There's a lot of $ at stake! This would be a great time to create ties with Karate and certainly the best time for Soo Bahk Do to take its rightful place.? Now about the dobak trim..... Zeishe --__--__-- Message: 3 From: michael tomlinson To: Dojang Digest Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Re: Integration of North and South and ITF/WTF Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 16:25:11 +0000 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reading your post reminded me of one time while eating lunch with Doju Nim Ji Han Jae he was talking about Asia in general and the differences between the Asian cultures...he was saying that people from India, China and Japan will get in a straight line and follow each other from their own countries without asking questions, but if you told Koreans to get in a straight line and follow each other they will argue about who is in charge of the line and who should be placed in the line in order of importance!! He was giving us an example of the problems they have in following anyone..he was also saying that is one of their downfalls and is one of the reasons he loves the United States so much...I thought it was pretty funny since it was coming from an old school Korean Martial Artist... Michael Tomlinson > To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 10:18:41 -0400 > From: zisheged@aol.com > Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Integration of North and South and ITF/WTF > > I sometimes wonder if the reunification of Korea will be easier than the ITF/WTF integration. That being siad, no doubt the integration will take place in plenty of time for the next Olympics. There's a lot of $ at stake! This would be a great time to create ties with Karate and certainly the best time for Soo Bahk Do to take its rightful place.? Now about the dobak trim..... > > > Zeishe > _______________________________________________ > The_Dojang mailing list, 2,500 members > The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2009: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://the-dojang.net _________________________________________________________________ Quick access to your favorite MSN content and Windows Live with Internet Explorer 8. http://ie8.msn.com/microsoft/internet-explorer-8/en-us/ie8.aspx?ocid=B037MSN5 5C0701A --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 12:26:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Jye nigma To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Fw: Re: Taekwondo Hall of Fame Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > Dear Taekwondo family > > I Question the reason that Mr. Leonard le Hani from South Africa should be entered into the hall of fame. I would also like to see some proof that will tell the reason why he is nominated into the hall of fame. How do you get nominated & by who? This person from South Africa has been kicked out of the South African Taekwondo Federation due to reasons i do not know. He is a fake. I Should know, is was one of his students. Wiehann --__--__-- Message: 5 From: "Allan Schein" To: Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 12:43:13 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] Barking Dog correspondence Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Allan Schein" To: "glenn" Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 12:42 PM Subject: Re: like I said > Glenn Uesugi, > > My request for your resignation has nothing to do with any sense of self > importance or power. It has only to do with facing up to a vain man that > believes he can assert himself through his own sense of self importance in > ways that reflect badly upon Taekwondo and the entire community. My > observations are accurate, and your behavior deplorable. Your repeated > printing of lies is illustrative of your personal agendas and continued > failure to behave in a fair and equitable manner. You are not an honest or > forthright man, for a fact. > > The officer profiles you refer to my writing for the USTC website will > continue be done over time as agreed with the Executive Director, at the > rate of several a month. To repeat what I have said to you in the past, > its not your job to tell me my duties, so you can do your job, and I mine. > I seek no titles, but since several members of the board have asked and > suggested I be given one, or a position on the USTC board, of course the > topic was discussed. I know who and what I am, and don't need titles to > know myself, because I am a secure person that won't change with a title. > Regarding the payment of my dues, I never lapsed, so stop with your > repeated lies and smear attempts. Master Harris informed me that there > were few people that were current as of several weeks ago, but I was one > of them, so get your facts straight counselor. The vote of confidence > given for you to continue as legal counsel is of little importance. I have > no confidence in you, a sentiment shared by numerous others throughout > this community. > > With regard to my attacking you as my senior, know for a fact that I > respect people that deserve it, not rank or barking dogs like yourself > that demand it. It is a weak vain insecure man that need demand respect. > Those worthy of it receive it automatically as a benefit of their > leadership and humanity, neither of which you possess. > > With regard to association to Ray Terry, he and I have never spoken, and > only communicated as a result of my recent posting. It was his vehicle > that I utilized, to say "screw you" in response to your threats of not > printing general information about Hanmadang, to punish your perceived > transgressors. That was quite a piece of babycrap. For the board not to > censure or reprimand you in regard to that matter I find disappointing. I > would have thought on the whole they had the courage to address that issue > with you, and I suspect they did. > > Regarding your assertion that Ray Terry egged me on or played me, that is > your conjecture and continued factual ignorance born of personal > insecurity. I need nobody to encourage me to stand up to a barking dog who > repeatedly shows the community at large the venom he carries in his heart > for so many people. There are fortunately few people in the M-A that talk > down to people in the manner you do. You keep trying to make association > with someone you hate seem like some kind of transgression, yet it is you > that reads his list daily, scouring the print for anyone you believe to be > trespassing on your territory, like some compulsive Nazi inspector. Get a > grip dude. You are the one with pathological control issues. You can try > and make people believe you're just doing your job, but like you stated, > you don't mind wielding a sword. You relish it, and the making of people > dead who you can't control. These are all your personal issues. > > With regard to the placing of people in Ray Terry's camp, that is akin to > vilifying anyone that listens to Rush Limbaugh on the radio. Its more than > a stretch, its a "you against them" philosophy that has no place in > Taekwondo. Again, Nazi behavior on your part. > > Regarding what you say about the lessons learned form your teachers is > hilarious. Wasn't it your own grandmaster that said "he has a big mouth > and a small heart?" That line is a classic that will be part of your > legacy. Like your new moniker as the "Butcher of Puunui", and purveyor of > the "Dead List". > > To you and the many readers that you have tried to convince that I am > 'unimportant', my observations about you are very accurate, and have been > right along. The reality of getting you removed as legal counsel was a > long shot, but worth the risk by bringing the focus once again to your > methodology, and pathology. In fact, few of us are very important. However > pointing out those that reflect wrongly on Taekwondo through detrimental > behaviors is important. My style may not be the most gentle at times, but > the issues I discussed with regard to the person you are couldn't be more > right on target. > > I laughed out loud reading your words "I sacrifice myself to the > negativity and bear the brunt of the hostility and resentment, so that our > members and our seniors don't have to". That's total projection. You are > the source of negativity and hostility. It is your belligerent mannerisms > that are a vain and arrogant attempt to force your views and opinions over > others. Your facts and assertions are often lies, and too many truths go > unprinted. Too much of the good that happens never gets the discussion it > deserves. And when you can't handle people standing up for themselves, you > make them "dead" and banish them from your list. You're too chicken to > allow for the fact that there are many in this community that have an > indomitable spirit, make continued and valuable contribution and self > sacrifice, and threaten you to no end. Its a pussy that runs away from > rational discussion in favor of destroying relationships that could grow > and allow for continued personal involvements for so many on your "dead > list". You, Glenn, arrogantly attempt to present yourself as an absolute > authority, a shield, and wielder of the Uesugi sword without regard for > the beliefs and opinions of others. You are trying to present yourself as > a "Cher" of the martial arts. In fact, you are quite forgettable to most > people. And Cher has more talent. > > You say you don't care what people think about you, but you are compelled > to silence them in any way you can. So in fact, that statement is a lie. > You don't see that its your personal insecurity and vanity that feeds your > behavior. You say you are not attached to others' perception of you yet > your online persona is built upon that perception. You state that its > other peoples problems and not yours. Ironically, that's a common > perception of Schizophrenics. You know, people that assume a persona that > really isn't who they are. Like Yoda, and your other online associations. > Dr. Saporta called you a 'pouty child' in September for your childish > ranting and inability to control the comments on the list. You went nuts > with your courtroom interrogative response. It was you who turned tail and > said "you run it", and stepped back waiting for me to try, and to fail. I > am not that easily manipulated by that tactic, or from fear of reprisals, > or attempts at damaging my reputation. The whole Korean martial arts world > may know you by the name Glenn, but you are deeply mistaken about how you > are perceived. The whole music world knows Cher as well, and it seems a > vain and arrogant attempt for you to be crying out with every fiber of > your being for attention direly needed to make yourself feel like > something more than you are. > > I understand you have been taking excerpts from our correspondence and > spinning them into factoids to support your efforts at denigrating me. > That is your prerogative, and another example of the censorship I refer to > for your list. So, in order for people to get the whole truth, I shall > print both of our dialogues on Dojang Digest for people to compare with > what you print. I suspect that since I have received so much email with > regard to this matter that inquiring minds want to know the truth. Even > the spies you have had contact me in the past, from which correspondence > you like to quote. Oh yes folks, Glenn has had spies "innocently" approach > me to gather information that he can use to further his attacks and > defamation of my character. What a guy, huh? Is this what Taekwondo has > come to? Glenn the sword wielder indeed. More like the back stabber, who > can't handle his own battles without deceptions. > > You may have been given a vote of confidence by the USTC board, but in my > belief that hurts the organization far worse than anything I've done. I > have been told in writing today "You are a welcome asset to have with > USTC, and you are welcome to remain a part of the organization as a > Columnist, if that is your desire". > > I have made my point and brought to light what I believe are important and > relevant issues in how we present ourselves to the Taekwondo community. I > have the courage to stand up and say what I see as a wrong when I see it. > Realistically, it was never my expectation that you would have been > removed, but the necessary points have been publicly made. You are a > control freak and a wannabee movie character phony that has a deep seeded > need to appear as something more than you are; the complete antithesis of > what a true martial artist is perceived to be. > > Allan Schein > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "glenn" > To: ; "taekwondo net mailing list" > > Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 12:06 AM > Subject: Re: like I said > > >> Dear Allan, >> >> I really think you overestimate your own self importance and your own >> sense >> of power, especially in this arena. >> >> By the way, everyone is still waiting on those USTC officer profiles that >> you were supposed to finish. You want big responsibilities, big titles >> and >> whatever else, then start by first finishing the small jobs assigned to >> you. >> Pay your dues, like the rest of us did, and then maybe you will get the >> type >> of trust and respect that the USTC officers and seniors have given me >> with their vote of confidence. >> >> Publicly attacking your seniors (like me) is only going to score points >> with >> the isolated powerless useless people that hang around with Ray Terry, >> the people who you now find youself associated with, the people who feel >> satisfaction in spitting into the wind and howling at the full moon. All >> injury is self injury, Ray Terry is living proof of that. >> >> The real point in all of this is that you were played, by Ray Terry, who >> no >> doubt egged you on and encouraged you to lose your discipline (once >> again) >> and do a personal attack on me. All that you accomplished with that is a >> Vote of Confidence for me, and a disappointing review for you. The person >> that you should really be upset with is Ray Terry, who for his own >> personal >> reasons, has caused you to come within a hair of being thrown out of the >> USTC and the Hanmadang movement. Is that what you really wanted to >> accomplish? Do you see how stupid being associated with him is, not only >> for you, but for anyone? >> >> There is a very specific reason why I do things, deep well thought out >> reasons that sometimes people cannot fully appreciate when their feet are >> in the fire. One of the reasons why we demonize Ray Terry (outside of the >> fact that he is an ungrateful fake and fraud) is that we need him, >> because he provides an alternative for those who think like him and act >> like him. >> >> Like attracts like and what has happened is that we have managed to do is >> place all of the ungrateful, low ranking, angry, hateful, spiteful types >> together in one place. Good, I am glad that they have found a home away >> from us, because like Al Cole said: >> >> "Ray and his flock are a bunch of morons, the idiots of the Korean >> martial arts world. We have to have them, someone has to fill this spot, >> so Ray and is band of merry men do the deed." >> >> Not everyone associated with Ray Terry are bad people. There are many >> sincere people who end up there out of circumstances beyond their >> control. I think they realize what he is and what he represents, but what >> can you do. >> >> Now, some people may say that my methods are harsh. Maybe, but then >> again, what I subject people to is really nothing compared to what I >> myself went through. In order to learn from the teachers that I chose to >> learn from to get the type of knowledge that I sought out oftentimes >> meant suffering through in a disciplined way the rough periods, trusting >> that there was a method to the madness and that there was a reward at the >> end of the tunnel. Old school results require old school methods. You >> want to be like a pioneer, then you need to grow up and test yourself >> like they themselves were tested, by their teachers. >> >> If there is one thing that I hope would or should come out of all my >> postings, it is this: I trust my teachers and seniors, that they have my >> best interests in mind and that while I may not understand what is going >> on at the moment, I will eventually, IF I maintain my discipline and keep >> going. That in a nutshell is the essence of the martial arts, that >> respect, that trust. >> >> Some people asked why I would tender my resignation based on your >> rantings and ravings, given the fact that in their opinion, you seem >> "unimportant". Well, the short answer is I tendered my resignation to the >> USTC, trusting and respecting that the collective wisdom of our seniors >> would make the best decision from the big picture perspective, for >> everyone. I also wanted to make it easier for them if in fact they felt >> that I needed to go. Just like with this mailing list, I am ready and >> willing to let go, if that is what needs to be done. >> >> It is a buddhist concept, the idea that attachment and desire lead to >> suffering -- if I have no attachment to "things" such as mailing lists or >> position like USTC Legal Counsel, or any other thing for that matter, >> then the probability of suffering is greatly reduced. Look at all the >> suffering caused by people's attachment to their IRA or 401K. Let go, and >> everything will be fine. >> >> In a sense, I sacrifice myself to the negativity and bear the brunt of >> the hostility and resentment, so that our members and our seniors don't >> have to. I poke, prod and then endure the rantings and ravings of those >> so attached to their opinions that they lose all sense of respect and >> discipline. oh well. >> >> It is a natural outgrowth of my profession as an attorney, where my >> primary duty is to act as a shield, and sword, for my client. Personally, >> I don't mind serving in this capacity, mainly because I don't care what >> people think about me, if they hate me or whatever. I am not attached >> other people's perception of me - that is their problem and their issue >> as far as I am concerned. Protecting others and standing up for others is >> what I do, even if it means sometimes sacrificing my own self protection. >> But sometimes that is the price you pay for doing what needs to be done. >> And I am rewarded handsomely for what I do, in my profession and in the >> martial arts. >> >> If everyone had maintained the attitude of trust and respect, then we >> would still have the USTU. The anti-thesis of that attitude is what is >> running the USAT and WTF right now, where the leadership does NOT have >> the best interests of its membership in mind. >> >> We do a lot of good things on this list and I am glad that I am a part of >> it. I truly believe that we have raised the level of consciousness >> regarding the Korean Martial Arts in the twelve years that this list has >> been in operation. I can see our influence in webpages, books, magazines, >> and also in the teachings at dojangs all over. We have done our little >> bit to improve the lives of our members, and are faithful to Jed Barlet's >> words -- "the code of our humanity is faithful service to that unwritten >> commandment that says: We should give our children better than we >> ourselves received." Where would I be if someone had my big mouth and >> little heart and told me even a tenth of the things that we discuss on >> here everyday, things that I had to figure out the hard way. >> >> Anyway, that's enough rambling by me. You've been told certain things by >> the leadership of the USTC. If you choose not to continue to work with >> us, we understand fully. But the choice is yours. >> >> PS: I never refer to myself as Master. The whole world knows me simply by >> my first name. You say glenn from hawaii, the korean martial arts world >> knows who you are talking about. --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 20:36:47 +0000 (UTC) From: mdealba@comcast.net To: the dojang Subject: [The_Dojang] Sippalki - The Korean Martial Art of the Muyedobotongji. Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Sippalki - The Korean Martial Art of the Muyedobotongji. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A2wt37id6NA http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6tZyeCy50Lw&feature=related **CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE** This email communication and any attachments may contain confidential and privileged information for the sole use of the designated recipient named above. Distribution reproduction or any other use of this transmission by any party other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient please contact the sender and delete all copies. --__--__-- Message: 7 From: Ray To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Barking Dog correspondence Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 13:15:35 -0700 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net This is simply amazing. The saga of the paranoid victim continues. Never responsible for his own actions, it is always the other person's fault. And the list of other people at fault is a very very long list. Ray On Apr 1, 2009, at 11:43 AM, Gleeennnn wrote: >> The real point in all of this is that you were played, by Ray >> Terry, who no >> doubt egged you on and encouraged you to lose your discipline (once >> again) >> and do a personal attack on me. --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2009: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest