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RE: Under our radar... (J. Thomas Howard) 2. yin style kicking stuff (Jye nigma) 3. Reply to Jye (Frank Clay) 4. The 7th Chuncheon Open International Taekwondo championships (Visit Korea) 5. Under the radar (Dakin Burdick) 6. Re: Under the radar (Jye nigma) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "J. Thomas Howard" To: Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2009 18:08:36 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: Under our radar... Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Jye wrote: > > No words can describe what I felt being a parent as I read the first > few lines > of this article. We spend a lot of time training to defend ourselves > and loved > ones against a foreign threat, but what happens when the threat is so > close > it's under our radar? > > http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/03/31/sibling.stabbings/index.html > > Jye How is this under the radar? The kid strikes his family members, has a criminal history, carries weapons, and is known for his temper. How many indicators for violence, particularly escalating domestic violence, do you need? Certainly, what he ended up doing is far beyond the violence level expected---but only in manner, as opposed to in outcome. It isn't surprising that someone with his history ended up killing someone--the only surprising part is the manner in which he did it. In cases like his, most murders would be caused by blunt force trauma, stabbing, or shooting, (due to a flash of temper and a violent outburst using whatever weapons came to hand) and would be limited (in victims) to peers or family members of age close to his. The extent of his violence, and the manner of it for this case (including victims much younger) leads one to believe that something additional came into play. It would be interesting to hear the results of the autopsy for the criminal---I wonder if he was on drugs, and if so, to what extent? Back to the original comment: this sort of thing was not under the radar. Or at least, it should not be to people who say they know/teach self-defense. Such people should know the indicators and precursors to violence---some of which are extremely simple, which this kid exhibited. Thomas H. --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2009 17:05:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Jye nigma To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] yin style kicking stuff Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wGswVoUOcQY   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D6WltM57F-M --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "Frank Clay" To: Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2009 21:34:17 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Reply to Jye Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I hear you. While I'm not actively training until I'm done with school (working on my PhD) I know that I've been trained by my instructors, blue house bodyguards and the US Military to kill as needed. Nice thought. I wonder if I could do so to a family member? I wonder if the emotional tie would cause perhaps a fatal hesitation? I think it takes a real special kind of jerk to be able to go after one's family members but you see all the time. Madoff, the guy in MA (which by the way, I lived near two years ago) in MA who beheaded his sister in front of the cops, etc. Are we are a people simply going mad? Are we, the martial arts community an anachronism? I almost feel, sometimes, like the last samurai. You see some kid do wonders and you feel gratified, or you have a student who saves themselves, a family member or someone else - but then you read this crap day after day and you can't help but wonder, am I doing any good or am I making them more efficient. Frank --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2009 18:53:43 -0700 From: Visit Korea To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] The 7th Chuncheon Open International Taekwondo championships Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net The 7th Chuncheon Open International Taekwondo championshps will be held from July 10, 2009 to July 15. Detailed information is available at www.koreaopentkd.org Come experience Korea Sparkling! -- Korea Sparkling --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 05:13:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Dakin Burdick To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Under the radar Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Jye, that murder was particularly chilling, but it is not an isolated incident. When I was checking the stats about ten years back, I learned that kids had a better chance of being killed by their mother than by a stranger. They had a much better chance of being raped or sexually assaulted by someone they knew than by a stranger. Such attacks should never be under our radar. Keep this stuff in mind when training kids for self-defense and make sure they understand that if certain things happen, it is NOT their fault, and give them a single good contact to get in touch with. Find out if there is a victim's hotline and pass out magnets with the number. Sadly, a lot of victims won't press charges out of either love or fear.  I'm sure there are a lot of people on the list who know this much better than me, because of their professional duties. We need to also be aware when abuse comes to the dojang. When kids come to one's dojang, it is imperative that you be able to recognize the signs of abuse at home. We've seen plenty of assault cases by martial arts instructors as well, so you should keep an eye on what's happening in the dojang. Are the instructors all doing what they should be? And always watch out for the instructor on a control trip. If he hits students too hard in sparring to make sure he always wins, he has a problem. If he hits on students for dates, he has a problem. If he pays more attention to some students than others, because of their race, gender, or age, one needs to take into consideration. Yours in the arts, Dakin Burdick   --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 08:54:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Jye nigma Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Under the radar To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Yeah it's a shame that things like that happen to children. I'll tell you something that changed the way I think being a parent. I had a friend years ago when I was in junior high or just starting high school. She used to come over all the time and was real cool and sweet. Well one day I found out that this same girl was having an affair with her cousin's husband and wanted to move to GA with him. He didn't want to move because he had 2 kids where he was living. My friend hired 2 guys to killed her 2 cousins. The men agreed but when they saw the 2 cousins were little kids they backed out. So she went at it herself. She cut one so bad he was almost completely decapitated. Then she went to go and get the other one. The one who died was a little boy I think age 4. The little girl heard something and saw my friend coming towards her and she screamed, when she screamed the parents woke up and my friend fled. She ended up getting caught because the little girl identified her watch. Now this happened some years ago like 1999 or 2000 and my son was 2 -3 so this altered the way I see people and damn sure don't let just anyone around my son.   People know I always describe mankind as the great unknown and it's because of the event I told you about. Now while I'm writing this I was just thinking how strange it is to have this event change my thoughts when I've been around killers, drugs dealers, etc growing up. My thought is you never truly know someone so unless you're critical of everyone someone can fly under the radar. You might be watching everyone (adults) and the killer could be a little child.   Jye --- On Mon, 4/6/09, Dakin Burdick wrote: From: Dakin Burdick Subject: [The_Dojang] Under the radar To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Monday, April 6, 2009, 8:13 AM Jye, that murder was particularly chilling, but it is not an isolated incident. When I was checking the stats about ten years back, I learned that kids had a better chance of being killed by their mother than by a stranger. They had a much better chance of being raped or sexually assaulted by someone they knew than by a stranger. Such attacks should never be under our radar. Keep this stuff in mind when training kids for self-defense and make sure they understand that if certain things happen, it is NOT their fault, and give them a single good contact to get in touch with. Find out if there is a victim's hotline and pass out magnets with the number. Sadly, a lot of victims won't press charges out of either love or fear.  I'm sure there are a lot of people on the list who know this much better than me, because of their professional duties. We need to also be aware when abuse comes to the dojang. When kids come to one's dojang, it is imperative that you be able to recognize the signs of abuse at home. We've seen plenty of assault cases by martial arts instructors as well, so you should keep an eye on what's happening in the dojang. Are the instructors all doing what they should be? And always watch out for the instructor on a control trip. If he hits students too hard in sparring to make sure he always wins, he has a problem. If he hits on students for dates, he has a problem. If he pays more attention to some students than others, because of their race, gender, or age, one needs to take into consideration. Yours in the arts, Dakin Burdick   _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 2,500 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2009: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://the-dojang.net --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2009: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest