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Re: Current Kukkiwon dan prices (Ray) 2. Re: Korean long stick (Hankido) 3. Re: Re: Korean long stick (mdealba@comcast.net) 4. Re: Re: Korean long stick (Jye nigma) 5. RE: Current Kukkiwon dan prices (Thomas Gordon) 6. RE: Current Kukkiwon dan prices (Thomas Gordon) 7. Re: Re: Korean long stick (Jye nigma) 8. Re: Current Kukkiwon dan prices (Jye nigma) 9. Re: Current Kukkiwon dan prices (Ray) 10. Re: Current Kukkiwon dan prices (Ray) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: Ray To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Current Kukkiwon dan prices Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 14:24:17 -0700 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net It simply implies that they know, and can probably teach, art XYZ. Along that same line of thought a black belt in art XYZ simply means that they are basically trained in that one art. Sadly there is no black belt one can earn that enables you to defend yourself in the street against multiple attackers with guns and knives, at night, when you're a drunk, etc. Ray On May 8, 2009, at 9:49 AM, Jye nigma wrote: > Well now apply that to the martial arts. What would be the > equivalent? A > person who passes the test for high BB because they have a talent for > memorizing history, principles, moves, etc. But when it comes to the > real > world situation how will they do? --__--__-- Message: 2 From: Hankido To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Sat, 09 May 2009 01:47:22 +0200 Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Korean long stick Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net After watching the clip on youtube I wonder... What is makes these long stick techniques Korean? Can you really put a label like Korean or Japanese or Chinese to something as basic as a stick? > As promised, here is our > latest offering on Korean weapon training. We have been busy working a > several > new tapes. We just put up a couple preview clips on the new FMS Jang > Bong Sul > – > Korean Fighting Staff DVD’s we recently released. These preview > clips were > a > little hard to make, simply because we had so much awesome footage, > and we > just > couldn’t decide which clips to use. -- kind regards, Klaas Barends http://www.mooyesa.com/ --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Sat, 9 May 2009 02:13:53 +0000 (UTC) From: mdealba@comcast.net To: the dojang Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Re: Korean long stick Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net That's a valid question, that I have actually asked myself at times before. And had to answer to many a student before, and really, the answer is rather simple. Having formally studied weapons and arts in general from Japanese, Chinese and Korean martial arts, it became clear to me that overall, the same traits that distinguish the empty hand components are reflected in the traditional weapons as well. Meaning, in as much as many Karate arts tend to be of a "linear, hard-style nature", I found similar signatures in Chinese arts, that tended to be of a "circular and flowing nature". The traditional Korean arts, to me blended these two schools of thought. When I compared a traditional Kobudo staff form, which had very simple, direct lines and movements, I would also see somewhat of the opposite in many Chinese staff forms, from say Choy La Fut, of Wushu. These movements were very much dominated by circular and flowing movements. I found the traditional Korean staff movements to occilate between both of these extremes. These are direct manifestations of the hard style and soft style nature of the arts. Most Korean martial arts are supposed to be both, hard and soft. Granted, in the video clips, there are a lot of spinning moves, which might lead you to beleive that this is a very circular training, but that is actually only one of the basic training methods. One must master the spins as well as the linear strikes and thrusts. So, when one studies the whole art, one can see the balance of hard and soft, linear and circular. This was reflected in the empty hand components, and weapons of most Korean arts as well. The problem I found with many Korean martial arts, was the absense of in depth weapon training. For example, most TKD and TSD arts don't really do a lot of weapons. For me, this changed after I came back from Korea where I was exposed to many traditional Korean arts that included extensive weaponry. Arts such as Do Hap Sool, Sun Mu Do, Haidong Kum Do and others. Here in the states, I would only see arts such as Hwa Rang Do and Kuk Sool Won that had any kind of expanded traditional Korean weapon training. I know that alot of this has changed, and there is so much cross training going on, it's hard to tell styles apart sometimes, but the basics of these arts are still the same. That goes for the weapons as well. Hope this helps. With brotherhood, Kuk Sa Nim **CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE** This email communication and any attachments may contain confidential and privileged information for the sole use of the designated recipient named above. Distribution reproduction or any other use of this transmission by any party other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient please contact the sender and delete all copies. ----- Original Message ----- From: Hankido To: the dojang Sent: Fri, 8 May 2009 23:47:22 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Korean long stick After watching the clip on youtube I wonder... What is makes these long stick techniques Korean? Can you really put a label like Korean or Japanese or Chinese to something as basic as a stick? > As promised, here is our > latest offering on Korean weapon training. We have been busy working a > several > new tapes. We just put up a couple preview clips on the new FMS Jang > Bong Sul > – > Korean Fighting Staff DVD’s we recently released. These preview > clips were > a > little hard to make, simply because we had so much awesome footage, > and we > just > couldn’t decide which clips to use. -- kind regards, Klaas Barends http://www.mooyesa.com/ _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 2,500 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2009: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://the-dojang.net --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Sat, 9 May 2009 00:43:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Jye nigma Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Re: Korean long stick To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I don't know about Korean, but absolutely. For me I can tell the difference between japanese and chinese staff play and it's all in the way you handle the staff, literally. Kung fu systems handle the staff differently then japanese styles even the hard kung fu styles like hung gar, choy lay fut, etc. At some point though techniques will overlap from the different systems and then with a blink the similarities are over. WIth Japanese styles the action is direct and sharp, and with many systems of kung fu hard/soft style alike the moves are more fluid. One thing I can say that you'll see in both variations are some universal principles such as having a strong stable wide base. here are a few clips for comparison:   Okinawan bo: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ZaNhm8Rho8&feature=related   kung fu (hard): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZEGZEXcNAM&NR=1   kung fu (internal): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QpDfOIOG7w0   Jye           --- On Fri, 5/8/09, Hankido wrote: From: Hankido Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Korean long stick To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Friday, May 8, 2009, 7:47 PM After watching the clip on youtube I wonder... What is makes these long stick techniques Korean? Can you really put a label like Korean or Japanese or Chinese to something as basic as a stick? > As promised, here is our > latest offering on Korean weapon training. We have been busy working a > several > new tapes. We just put up a couple preview clips on the new FMS Jang > Bong Sul > – > Korean Fighting Staff DVD’s we recently released. These preview > clips were > a > little hard to make, simply because we had so much awesome footage, > and we > just > couldn’t decide which clips to use. -- kind regards, Klaas Barends http://www.mooyesa.com/ _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 2,500 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2009: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers applySubscribe or Unsubscribe: http://the-dojang.net --__--__-- Message: 5 From: "Thomas Gordon" To: Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Current Kukkiwon dan prices Date: Sat, 9 May 2009 08:28:04 -0500 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Rank certifications is like any other certifications. Only as good as the person/organization issuing them. Even then, a few slip by. Few will argue that an ITF or KKW rank certificate carries more weight than a locally printed school certificate. That doesn't mean the local school black belt isn't more or less qualified - there's just an expected standard with ITF & KKW that is unknown with local certifications. I see wannabe badboys come into our school and say they've studied for 30 years (even though they're only 17 years old) but just never seemed to get that black belt. It's almost comical. They want respect but yet don't give respect to those organizations that were here long before they were and probably even their parents were. To me, it's always interesting to consider the position of the person writing. "Rank/certification isn't important" is typically from those without any or with a bunch of it. Sincerely, Thomas Gordon Master's Seminars on April 16-18, 2010 www.GordonMartialArts.com/april --__--__-- Message: 6 From: "Thomas Gordon" To: Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Current Kukkiwon dan prices Date: Sat, 9 May 2009 08:27:35 -0500 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Master Terry wrote: "Later Gen. Choi Hong-hi was given an honorary 4th Dan and honorary kwanjang position, but it was revoked in 1957 when he adamantly insisted that he be promoted to 6th Dan." Well, sorta...maybe. Was it over the sixth degree or because of something else? In March 1959, General Choi denied Son Duk Sung entrance onto the first world Taekwondo demo team. In June 1959, in the same advertisement in the local newspaper that expelled General Choi, as the President of Chung Do Kwan, Son Duk Sung also expelled Nam Tae Hi, Uhm Woon Kyu, and Hyun Jong Myun. That same year, Son Duk Sung was gone and replaced by (formerly expelled) Uhm Woon Kyu as the President of Chung Do Kwan and later, also over Kukkiwon. Nam Tae Hi was also back in Chung Do Kwan and is still a member. Son Duk Sung came to the United States. All this was before my time so I'm basing it on books I've read and conversations with my seniors. High rank often is little more than politics. Same then - same now. Sincerely, Thomas Gordon Master's Seminars on April 16-18, 2010 www.GordonMartialArts.com/april --__--__-- Message: 7 Date: Sat, 9 May 2009 01:05:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Jye nigma Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Re: Korean long stick To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net What types of weapons are in sun mu do. From my understanding it's not a fighting martial art, it's more like zen exercises.   Jye --- On Fri, 5/8/09, mdealba@comcast.net wrote: From: mdealba@comcast.net Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Re: Korean long stick To: "the dojang" Date: Friday, May 8, 2009, 10:13 PM That's a valid question, that I have actually asked myself at times before. And had to answer to many a student before, and really, the answer is rather simple. Having formally studied weapons and arts in general from Japanese, Chinese and Korean martial arts, it became clear to me that overall, the same traits that distinguish the empty hand components are reflected in the traditional weapons as well. Meaning, in as much as many Karate arts tend to be of a "linear, hard-style nature", I found similar signatures in Chinese arts, that tended to be of a "circular and flowing nature". The traditional Korean arts, to me blended these two schools of thought. When I compared a traditional Kobudo staff form, which had very simple, direct lines and movements, I would also see somewhat of the opposite in many Chinese staff forms, from say Choy La Fut, of Wushu. These movements were very much dominated by circular and flowing movements. I found the traditional Korean staff movements to occilate between both of these extremes. These are direct manifestations of the hard style and soft style nature of the arts. Most Korean martial arts are supposed to be both, hard and soft. Granted, in the video clips, there are a lot of spinning moves, which might lead you to beleive that this is a very circular training, but that is actually only one of the basic training methods. One must master the spins as well as the linear strikes and thrusts. So, when one studies the whole art, one can see the balance of hard and soft, linear and circular. This was reflected in the empty hand components, and weapons of most Korean arts as well. The problem I found with many Korean martial arts, was the absense of in depth weapon training. For example, most TKD and TSD arts don't really do a lot of weapons. For me, this changed after I came back from Korea where I was exposed to many traditional Korean arts that included extensive weaponry. Arts such as Do Hap Sool, Sun Mu Do, Haidong Kum Do and others. Here in the states, I would only see arts such as Hwa Rang Do and Kuk Sool Won that had any kind of expanded traditional Korean weapon training. I know that alot of this has changed, and there is so much cross training going on, it's hard to tell styles apart sometimes, but the basics of these arts are still the same. That goes for the weapons as well. Hope this helps. With brotherhood, Kuk Sa Nim **CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE** This email communication and any attachments may contain confidential and privileged information for the sole use of the designated recipient named above. Distribution reproduction or any other use of this transmission by any party other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient please contact the sender and delete all copies. ----- Original Message ----- From: Hankido To: the dojang Sent: Fri, 8 May 2009 23:47:22 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Korean long stick After watching the clip on youtube I wonder... What is makes these long stick techniques Korean? Can you really put a label like Korean or Japanese or Chinese to something as basic as a stick? > As promised, here is our > latest offering on Korean weapon training. We have been busy working a > several > new tapes. We just put up a couple preview clips on the new FMS Jang > Bong Sul > – > Korean Fighting Staff DVD’s we recently released. These preview > clips were > a > little hard to make, simply because we had so much awesome footage, > and we > just > couldn’t decide which clips to use. -- kind regards, Klaas Barends http://www.mooyesa.com/ _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 2,500 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2009: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://the-dojang.net _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 2,500 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2009: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://the-dojang.net --__--__-- Message: 8 Date: Sat, 9 May 2009 00:53:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Jye nigma Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Current Kukkiwon dan prices To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net of course we 're not really talking about being able to defend against guns, but knowing something means that you understand the theory, principles, etc but can also execute these things. theory+experience=knowing. There are still some schools whose rank still means something because of the skilled students they produce, meaning they are truly learning something quite beneficial and the guys can fight! They can use their art to defend themselves.   Jye --- On Fri, 5/8/09, Ray wrote: From: Ray Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Current Kukkiwon dan prices To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Friday, May 8, 2009, 5:24 PM It simply implies that they know, and can probably teach, art XYZ. Along that same line of thought a black belt in art XYZ simply means that they are basically trained in that one art. Sadly there is no black belt one can earn that enables you to defend yourself in the street against multiple attackers with guns and knives, at night, when you're a drunk, etc. Ray On May 8, 2009, at 9:49 AM, Jye nigma wrote: > Well now apply that to the martial arts. What would be the equivalent? A > person who passes the test for high BB because they have a talent for > memorizing history, principles, moves, etc. But when it comes to the real > world situation how will they do? _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 2,500 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2009: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers applySubscribe or Unsubscribe: http://the-dojang.net --__--__-- Message: 9 From: Ray To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Current Kukkiwon dan prices Date: Sat, 9 May 2009 07:25:24 -0700 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net But shouldn't we be.?. IMHO that should be part of your skill set. Seek out extra training by looking into some of the schools shown at http://martialartsresource.com/firearms.htm .. Ok, enough on this topic... :) On May 9, 2009, at 12:53 AM, Jye nigma wrote: > of course we 're not really talking about being able to defend > against guns, --__--__-- Message: 10 From: Ray To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Current Kukkiwon dan prices Date: Sat, 9 May 2009 07:15:04 -0700 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Who knows for sure, but this from the Modern History of Taekwondo. Gen. Choi and his Oh Do Kwan were under the Chung Do Kwan, so was his honorary rank and title. "In 1957, Choi insisted that I give him a 6th Dan and sent a certificate he prepared in my name for me to sign. Because Choi and I were sworn brothers, and because my younger brother had a 6th Dan, he wanted one also. I tore up the certificate he sent to me without signing it. General Choi was also sending instructors (Sabums) to Vietnam, but he did that on his own authority and chose the number of instructors to send without consulting me. He also lied and stated that he had 24 years experience in martial arts practice (Sa Do Soo Ryun) and spread propaganda about himself. Therefore, it was unavoidable that I had to cancel his Honorary 4th Dan certificate and Honorary Kwan Jang position." Ray On May 9, 2009, at 6:27 AM, Thomas Gordon wrote: > Well, sorta...maybe. Was it over the sixth degree or because of > something > else? =========================================================== Section 3: The newly established Annex Kwans holding their own and the subsequent unification efforts Beginning in the mid 1950's, newly created Annex Kwans such as the Jung Do Kwan, Han Moo Kwan, Oh Do Kwan and Kang Duk Won held their own against the original Kwans, which led to factional strife. The Oh Do Kwan especially was backed by military authority, which complicated the Taekwondo political situation. Meanwhile, after Son Duk Sung became the second Chung Do Kwan Kwan Jang, Uhm Woon Kyu, Hyun Jong Myun and Nam Tae Hi had a feud with Son over Lee Won Kuk's Kwan Jang nomination certificate. A Seoul newspaper (Seoul Shinmoon) published the following statement by Son Duk Sung on June 16, 1959: With morality and humbleness, the Taekwondo Chung Do Kwan is determined to punish those traitors who threw away their trust to the other numerous Kwans. Especially after Lee Won Kuk left Korea, the traitors deceptively contacted these other Kwans, used the dojang under their own names to slanderously spread their own names. We can no longer watch these violations and wish to make clear to the nation so the Chung Do Kwan is not misunderstood. Therefore, we lay bare their criminal acts. A Brief History of the Chung Do Kwan Lee Won Kuk returned from Japan to open his dojang in Yong Chun, Suh Dae Moon Ku in 1944 and produced disciplines (Sado). Following the liberation of Korea, Lee moved his dojang to the Si Chun Church Hall, Kyun Ji Dong and continued to teach. When the Korean War broke out, the members were separated and became refugees, but I gathered some members and continued to teach. When the Allied Forces retreated on January 1, 1951, Lee Won Kuk said he was old and no longer able to teach, so he wanted me to be the next Kwan Jang. I became his successor. After I returned to the capital city of Seoul, I found Hyun Jong Myun leading the school, but he insisted that I take over the school, perhaps because he thought he couldn't handle or take the responsibility. My juniors also insisted that I take over. Finally, when Jung Yong Taek, who ran away to Japan, brought a message that nominated me to the Kwan Jang position by Lee Won Kuk, I agreed to be the next Kwan Jang. Because I did not charge the black belts and policemen the 300 hwan fee, I started to have financial problems. At the time, I could not even pay the Sabums. Despite the net loss from operating the Chung Do Kwan, I continued to organize ceremonies and tournaments, and spread the Chung Do Kwan and Taekwondo in published news articles. After several months, I came back to Seoul and found out Lee Won Kuk and his family all ran away to Japan. I thought they were living in Pusan. Jung Yong Taek also ran away to Japan, but came back several times during the year. However he did not know what Lee Won Kuk and his family's situation or business was. Lee Won Kuk's sister in law, Moon Myung Ja, also frequently flew back and forth between Korean and Japan. I don't know why she visited Korea so often. Jung Yong Taek and Moon Myung Ja were jealous of the Chung Do Kwan's growth and devised a plan to split the Chung Do Kwan. At last, they formed an illicit connection with discontented members of the Chung Do Kwan and returned to Korea. They obtained not a nomination certificate (Im Myung Jung), but a notice statement (Ji Ryung Jung) signed by Lee Won Kuk. On June 4, 1959, the notice statement was given to Uhm Woon Kyu. The Korean traitors who ran away to Japan were a matter of regret for me. They don't know that they will be punished at last. Nam Tae Hi asked me to give a dan certificate to 29th Infantry Division commander Choi Hong Hi, who had some experience in martial art (Sado), so we could use his military authority to spread the Chung Do Kwan. To contribute to Taekwondo's development, I gave an Honorary 4th Dan certificate signed by myself, Son Duk Sung, to Choi Hong Hi in front of the 3rd Army commander in 1955. In 1957, Choi insisted that I give him a 6th Dan and sent a certificate he prepared in my name for me to sign. Because Choi and I were sworn brothers, and because my younger brother had a 6th Dan, he wanted one also. I tore up the certificate he sent to me without signing it. General Choi was also sending instructors (Sabums) to Vietnam, but he did that on his own authority and chose the number of instructors to send without consulting me. He also lied and stated that he had 24 years experience in martial arts practice (Sa Do Soo Ryun) and spread propaganda about himself. Therefore, it was unavoidable that I had to cancel his Honorary 4th Dan certificate and Honorary Kwan Jang position. The nomination of Sabums After I received the position of 2nd Kwan Jang of the Chung Do Kwan, I nominated Min Wook Sik, Hyun Jong Myun, and Uhm Woon Kyu as Sabums. Later, I nominated Nam Tae Hi as a Sabum and Uhm Woon Kyu as a Standing or Permanent Sabum (Sang Im Sabum). However Hyun Jong Myun, Uhm Woon Kyu and Nam Tae Hi acted as if they were at war against me and frequently contacted with people who ran away to Japan. Who can nominate a Kwan Jang in a private dojang except the legal person with the authority? I myself am willing to give up my position as the Kwan Jang, if I see a promising and capable person who can be the next successor, but I am still looking for that person. There is no excuse for the actions of Uhm Woon Kyu, when he was sent by me to teach Taekwondo at the Korea Military Academy, Sung Kyun Kwan University and Seoul National University. He should have known better as an educated person. But I feel very sorry for those who received just a notice statement (Ji Ryung Jung) and not a nomination certificate (Im Myung Jung) from him. If he thought about all the other Taekwondo schools and the Chung Do Kwan's future, he would not do such a betrayal. I want the wise citizens of Korea to judge this matter. When I found out about these matters, I expelled them from the membership on behalf of my name. All the more, the Chung Do Kwan will unite ever more and practice rigorously for tournaments in the future, so please do not be disturbed by this whole action. 1. Expelled members: Hyun Jong Myun - Uhm Woon Kyu - Nam Tae Hi 2. Cancellation of Honorary 4th Dan certificate and Honorary Kwan Jang position: Choi Hong Hi June 15, 1959 Kwan Jang Son Duk Sung The Kwans produced more schools and Annex Kwans, which created the problem of stealing other Kwan's art name. If we look at the art names used by Kwans, Hwang Kee's Moo Duk Kwan, Lee Won Kuk's Chung Do Kwan and Ro Byung Jick's Song Moo Kwan used the name Tang Soo Do, Chun Sang Sup's Yun Moo Kwan used the name Kong Soo Do, and Yoon Byung In's YMCA Kwon Bup Bu used the name Kwon Bup. All the Kwans used an art name that was borrowed from either Japanese or Chinese martial arts names and because of this the issue of the revision of the art name was very urgent. Thus the Kong Soo Do, Tang Soo Do, Hwa Soo Do, Soo Bahk Do and Kwon Bup art names were running around and a new movement of unification began, with the idea that the unified organization's name should be based on Korean tradition and background. This movement was quickly dealt with by Choi Hong Hi. General Choi of the 29th Infantry Division founded the Oh Do Kwan and influenced the Taekwondo community with using his military authority. During the Liberal Party era, General Choi was favored by ROK President Rhee Syng Man, so General Choi was able to summon and create a Naming Committee composed of various men of society. After he and his adjutant Nam Tae Hi conducted research, they finally used "Taekkyon" and "Do" to create the name "Taekwondo". The name was unanimously approved and officially announced. However, because only the Chung Do Kwan and Oh Do Kwan participated in the Naming Committee, the name Taekwondo was not supported by the leaders of the other Kwans. --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2009: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest