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Re: Re: Korean long stick (mdealba@comcast.net) 2. Re: What is a kukkiwon certificate worth? (zisheged@aol.com) 3. dan bong (Jye nigma) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Sat, 9 May 2009 16:27:57 +0000 (UTC) From: mdealba@comcast.net To: the dojang Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Re: Korean long stick Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hello Jye, The Sun Mu Do that I was exposed to was in fact a martial art. Granted, the whole philosophy and training methods reflected meditation and yoga-like exercises, encompassed in Buddhist atmosphere, but there were no bones about it being a martial art. I trained in two main schools, one here in the US and the other in Korea. In Korea, to me it resembled "Shaolin Monk" type of training, and the only weapons I saw were the staff and dan bong. Here in the US, it was in our Farang Kwan dojang, and as such we had more weapon training, starting with sword, then staff, dan bong and then other weapons. That was my personal experience. Here are a few photos training in different Korean arts (unfortunately not all show weapons) Hwa Rang Do http://www.dsystem.com/images/TempleStandw-sword.html Do Hap Sool http://www.dsystem.com/images/DHS07BlkBltTest.html Farang Kwan / Sun Mu Do (no weapons, only meditating in a Buddhist temple in the Monterrey mountains where we did a martial arts demo) http://www.dsystem.com/images/FarangKwan.html Kwon Bob - Chosun Mu Yeh (wasn't allowed to take pictures of us training or meditating, but I did manage to get a couple shots of one of the main temples I trained in) http://www.dsystem.com/images/KoreaTraining-13.html With respect and brotherhood. **CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE** This email communication and any attachments may contain confidential and privileged information for the sole use of the designated recipient named above. Distribution reproduction or any other use of this transmission by any party other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient please contact the sender and delete all copies. ----- Original Message ----- From: Jye nigma To: the dojang Sent: Sat, 9 May 2009 08:05:57 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Re: Korean long stick What types of weapons are in sun mu do. From my understanding it's not a fighting martial art, it's more like zen exercises. �� Jye --- On Fri, 5/8/09, mdealba@comcast.net wrote: From: mdealba@comcast.net Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Re: Korean long stick To: "the dojang" Date: Friday, May 8, 2009, 10:13 PM That's a valid question, that I have actually asked myself at times before. And had to answer to many a student before, and really, the answer is rather simple. Having formally studied weapons and arts in general from Japanese, Chinese and Korean martial arts, it became clear to me that overall, the same traits that distinguish the empty hand components are reflected in the traditional weapons as well. Meaning, in as much as many Karate arts tend to be of a "linear, hard-style nature", I found similar signatures in Chinese arts, that tended to be of a "circular and flowing nature". The traditional Korean arts, to me blended these two schools of thought. When I compared a traditional Kobudo staff form, which had very simple, direct lines and movements, I would also see somewhat of the opposite in many Chinese staff forms, from say Choy La Fut, of Wushu. These movements were very much dominated by circular and flowing movements. I found the traditional Korean staff movements to occilate between both of these extremes. These are direct manifestations of the hard style and soft style nature of the arts. Most Korean martial arts are supposed to be both, hard and soft. Granted, in the video clips, there are a lot of spinning moves, which might lead you to beleive that this is a very circular training, but that is actually only one of the basic training methods. One must master the spins as well as the linear strikes and thrusts. So, when one studies the whole art, one can see the balance of hard and soft, linear and circular. This was reflected in the empty hand components, and weapons of most Korean arts as well. The problem I found with many Korean martial arts, was the absense of in depth weapon training. For example, most TKD and TSD arts don't really do a lot of weapons. For me, this changed after I came back from Korea where I was exposed to many traditional Korean arts that included extensive weaponry. Arts such as Do Hap Sool, Sun Mu Do, Haidong Kum Do and others. Here in the states, I would only see arts such as Hwa Rang Do and Kuk Sool Won that had any kind of expanded traditional Korean weapon training. I know that alot of this has changed, and there is so much cross training going on, it's hard to tell styles apart sometimes, but the basics of these arts are still the same. That goes for the weapons as well. Hope this helps. With brotherhood, Kuk Sa Nim **CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE** This email communication and any attachments may contain confidential and privileged information for the sole use of the designated recipient named above. Distribution reproduction or any other use of this transmission by any party other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient please contact the sender and delete all copies. ----- Original Message ----- From: Hankido To: the dojang Sent: Fri, 8 May 2009 23:47:22 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Korean long stick After watching the clip on youtube I wonder... What is makes these long stick techniques Korean? Can you really put a label like Korean or Japanese or Chinese to something as basic as a stick? > As promised, here is our > latest offering on Korean weapon training. We have been busy working a > several > new tapes. We just put up a couple preview clips on the new FMS Jang > Bong Sul > �������� > Korean Fighting Staff DVD��������s we recently released. These preview > clips were > a > little hard to make, simply because we had so much awesome footage, > and we > just > couldn��������t decide which clips to use. -- kind regards, Klaas Barends http://www.mooyesa.com/ _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 2,500 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2009: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://the-dojang.net _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 2,500 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2009: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://the-dojang.net _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 2,500 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2009: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://the-dojang.net --__--__-- Message: 2 To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Sat, 09 May 2009 14:28:11 -0400 From: zisheged@aol.com Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: What is a kukkiwon certificate worth? Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Now for me, this a very easy issue. When my children wrote I love you in Father's Day cards it was worth all the money in the world. When I got a bowling trophy, that too meant a lot. When I got my first gold medal for forms and sparring right after that, I too was delighted. Each kukkiwon dan certificate hangs on the wall in my study as copies are in my dojang. These accolades mean a great deal to me and are prized by us all. The fees are relatively modest although many masters tack on a few hundred to each for testing fees.? The worth of all of this? It is completely intrinsic. It has no extrinsic value ourtside of the community of martial arts. And so what????? Does a Baptismal certificate have much value to a Muslim? Do Barbey dolls have much meaning to boys?? There are few "things" that have general worth that come from separate endeavors. Why do we raise this as a question anyway??? Zeishe --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Sat, 9 May 2009 12:43:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Jye nigma To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] dan bong Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Quick question for any LEOs is it legal to carry dan bongs like in your pocket? Sounds like a silly question but I have no clue about what's legal to carry as a weapon and what's not.   Jye --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2009: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest