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Re: T-shirts (Chris & Cindy Callahan) 2. TKD articles (Stuart Anslow) 3. MDK Logo (Curt McCauley) 4. Re: MDK Logo (steven riggs) 5. Re: MDK Logo (Ray) 6. Youth Taekwondo Camp - Deadline Extended (The_Dojang) 7. Insurance (The_Dojang) 8. The difference between tang soo do and soo bak do (James Sleep) 9. Re: The difference between tang soo do and soo bak do (steven riggs) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 18:54:49 -0400 From: Chris & Cindy Callahan To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: T-shirts Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Perhaps I'm not much of a philanthropist, but... ..someone is supposed to invest their time and creative energy to design a t-shirt that TKD Times will profit from, and that person will only get a copy of their own T-shirt for their efforts. Those that participate in this are incredibly generous...good luck. > > Forwarding... > > > Design Your Own T-Shirt Contest! > > Would you like to design a martial arts T-shirt that will be sold a > taekwondotimes.com? > > Now is your chance! > > To start, all you need to do is download and print the T-Shirt > Template PDF > > Then, create your design either by hand or using your computer and > send it in for submission. It's so easy! > > The winner's design will be sold on our Web site and featured in our T- > shirt ad in TaeKwonDo Times! Plus, they will get their own T-shirt! > > Submissions are due July 1st. > > You can submit your design either by e-mail to contests@taekwondotimes.com > or by mail to: > > TKD Times > T-Shirt Contest > 3950 Wilson Ave SW > Cedar Rapids, IA 52404 > > > Image Guidelines > The image size can be no larger then 10 x 10 inches. > > You may not enter a design using the following types of content: > > * NO UNOFFICIAL MERCHANDISE E.g., using names or images of musicians, > bands, sports teams, athletes etc. without permission, even for fan > club purposes. > * NO CONTENT DOWNLOADED FROM INTERNET > * NO NAMES/LOGOS OF COMPANIES OR ORGANIZATIONS E.g., NeoPets, Lakers, > Dr. Pepper, Tommy Hilfiger etc. > * NO TRADEMARKED TAGLINES E.g., Just Do It, The Ultimate Driving > Machine, Got Milk? etc. > * NO IMAGES OR LIKENESS OF FAMOUS PEOPLE E.g., photos of Pamela > Anderson, Britney Spears, Brad Pitt, Michael Jordan, Homer Simpson etc. > * NO MANIPULATED CONTENT E.g., using a company's logo as a basis of > your design > * NO PHOTOS OR IMAGES OF KNOWN COPYRIGHTS E.g., Mickey Mouse, > Dragonball Z, Godzilla, Barbie etc > * NO SEXUALLY EXPLICIT CONTENT > * NO COPYING OF PREVIOUSLY PUBLISHED MATERIAL E.g., books, magazines, > publications etc. > * NO COMPILATION OR "MIX" CDS USING THE CONTENT OF OTHER ARTISTS > > > Laura Stolpe > Managing Editor > TaeKwonDo Times > 800-388-5966 > www.taekwondotimes.com --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "Stuart Anslow" To: Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 00:37:46 +0100 Organization: Rayners Lane Taekwon-do Academy Subject: [The_Dojang] TKD articles Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net ----- Original Message ----- > > hi Stuart I don't have any photos that you require, however I write > articles about martial arts and drug awareness and prevention. > Peter Not sure if this was meant for me or not, as it was TKDTimes that was requesting pictures... and remember, we are totallytkd magazine (www.totallytkd.com).. but we accept submissions without photographs for sure. Hope that helps. Stuart > -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. We are a community of 6 million users fighting spam. SPAMfighter has removed 29295 of my spam emails to date. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len The Professional version does not have this message --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "Curt McCauley" To: Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 20:22:17 -0700 Subject: [The_Dojang] MDK Logo Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net "I think its interesting that this happened after Hwang Kee's passing" I believe if you research this both the terms, "Tang Soo Do" and "Moo Duk Kwan" were registered as trademarks many years back. "Soo Bahk Do" more recently. The law suits have already happened. Like I said, think it is good to know, and be thankful for our ancestral backgound, but training and teaching probably takes a priority. Then the next batch will have something something to debate about. Respectully, Curt McCauley Channel Town Soo Bahk Do --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 01:32:29 -0700 (PDT) From: steven riggs Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] MDK Logo To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net     I could be wrong but in regards to the patents, or trademarks etc.  Tang Soo Do was not as it was in the public domain. Moo Duk Kwan and Soo Bahk Do were different and have a trademark. Hwang Kee's son has an organization that controls those issues and could sue for infringement. I find it interesting that you can buy Moo Duk Kwan patches from a number of different martial arts suppliers and no one stops them.      A grandmaster told me one time that no one can interfer with me teaching my art of Tang Soo Do.  No one will probably bother with a small school calling itself a Moo Duk Kwan school but a lawsuit could be enjoined to cease and desist.       www.americandefensivearts.org 828-322-6904 --- On Thu, 5/28/09, Curt McCauley wrote: From: Curt McCauley Subject: [The_Dojang] MDK Logo To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Thursday, May 28, 2009, 11:22 PM "I think its interesting that this happened after Hwang Kee's passing" I believe if you research this both the terms, "Tang Soo Do" and "Moo Duk Kwan" were registered as trademarks many years back.  "Soo Bahk Do" more recently.  The law suits have already happened. Like I said, think it is good to know, and be thankful for our ancestral backgound, but training and teaching probably takes a priority.  Then the next batch will have something something to debate about. Respectully, Curt McCauley Channel Town Soo Bahk Do _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 2,500 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2009: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://the-dojang.net --__--__-- Message: 5 From: Ray To: The_Dojang Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] MDK Logo Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 22:00:15 -0700 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net MOO DUK KWAN has a trademark (service mark) registration date of December 6, 2005. It was filed for on April 19, 2004, but not granted until 12/6/05. "Tang Soo Do" by itself is not registered with the US Patent and Trademark Office. Some names containing TSD are registered, e.g. TANG SOO DO MI GUK KWAN, INTERNATIONAL TANG SOO DO FEDERATION, UNITED STATES TANG SOO DO MOO DUK KWAN FEDERATION, WORLD TANG SOO DO ASSOC, AMERICAN TANG SOO DO ASSOCIATION, etc. "OFFICIAL SOO BAHK DO" is the only name/phrase that goes back several years, to December 14, 1993. Even UNITED STATES TANG SOO DO MOO DUK KWAN FEDERATION is fairly recent, with a registration date of November 14, 2006. The date that it was requested was November 3, 2004. Ray On May 28, 2009, at 8:22 PM, Curt McCauley wrote: > "I think its interesting that this happened after Hwang Kee's passing" > > I believe if you research this both the terms, "Tang Soo Do" and > "Moo Duk > Kwan" were registered as trademarks many years back. "Soo Bahk Do" > more > recently. The law suits have already happened. --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 07:15:28 -0700 From: The_Dojang To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Youth Taekwondo Camp - Deadline Extended Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net WTF to Hold World Youth Taekwondo Camp - Deadline Extended May 28, 2009 http://usa-taekwondo.us/news/article/13122 The World Taekwondo Federation will hold the World Youth Taekwondo Camp in close cooperation with the Taekwondo Promotion Foundation in Seoul and Muju, Korea from August 6 to 11, 2009. The camp was initiated as part of the WTF Solidarity Program in line with International Olympic Committee's inauguration of the Youth Olympic Games, which will be held in Singapore in 2010. The camp will provide the world youth practicing taekwondo with high-level taekwondo training and education of Olympic values as well as taekwondo spirit. The camp also includes a friendship Kyorugi competition under the same weight category system of the Youth Olympic Games, through which participants could experience the competition system of the Youth Olympic Games in advance. NOTE: It has been decided to extend the application deadline to June 30, 2009 in consideration of busy schedules of Member National Associations in their preparations for the WTF World Cup Team Championships, 1st WTF World Para-Taekwondo Championships in June in Baku, Azerbaijan and 2009 WTF World Taekwondo Championships in Copenhagen, Denmark in October 2009 and the other international taekwondo competitions in different continents to be held this year. --__--__-- Message: 7 Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 08:51:00 -0700 From: The_Dojang To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Insurance Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Forwarding... 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Member Plan Benefits Include: · 3-year rate guarantee; regardless of claims · $25 million in lifetime benefits per person · Over 1,000,000 providers nationwide · 10% healthy member discount · New shrinking deductible- § If you do not exceed your deductible in any given year we will credit 20% off your deductible the following year · 1st dollar preventive and wellness care To View and Compare the health insurance plans available in your area, go to www.usatinsuranceplans.com or call us toll free at 1-866-912-6650. Your USAT Insurance Program representative will be happy to assist you with enrolling with the plan of your choice. Sincerely, David Askinas President and CEO --__--__-- Message: 8 From: "James Sleep" To: Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 12:04:44 -0400 Subject: [The_Dojang] The difference between tang soo do and soo bak do Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Perhaps someone could address my concern about the relationship of Tang Soo Do to Soo Bak Do. I was taught by Jae Joon Kim Dan Bon 38 in the late 70's thru early 80's. I know that he was the 38th student of Hwang Kee to be awarded a black belt. I was told that he was sent by Hwang Kee to start the American Moo Duk Kwan Tang Soo Do organization. I was told by him that Tang Soo Do was the same as Soo Bak Do. Now I hear that they are separate disciplines. Do Both schools, Tang Soo Do and Soo Bak Do, originate from Hwang Kee and if so, is the difference between the two philosophical or political? I know that our black belts were midnight blue. These days it seems that Tang Soo Do schools use Black as the Dan color while the Soo Bak Do schools use the midnight blue. So I am a little confused. I would appreciate any comments that would clear this up a little. Respectfully, James -----Original Message----- From: Ray [mailto:thedojang@sbcglobal.net] Sent: Friday, May 29, 2009 1:00 AM To: The_Dojang Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] MDK Logo MOO DUK KWAN has a trademark (service mark) registration date of December 6, 2005. It was filed for on April 19, 2004, but not granted until 12/6/05. "Tang Soo Do" by itself is not registered with the US Patent and Trademark Office. Some names containing TSD are registered, e.g. TANG SOO DO MI GUK KWAN, INTERNATIONAL TANG SOO DO FEDERATION, UNITED STATES TANG SOO DO MOO DUK KWAN FEDERATION, WORLD TANG SOO DO ASSOC, AMERICAN TANG SOO DO ASSOCIATION, etc. "OFFICIAL SOO BAHK DO" is the only name/phrase that goes back several years, to December 14, 1993. Even UNITED STATES TANG SOO DO MOO DUK KWAN FEDERATION is fairly recent, with a registration date of November 14, 2006. The date that it was requested was November 3, 2004. Ray On May 28, 2009, at 8:22 PM, Curt McCauley wrote: > "I think its interesting that this happened after Hwang Kee's passing" > > I believe if you research this both the terms, "Tang Soo Do" and > "Moo Duk > Kwan" were registered as trademarks many years back. "Soo Bahk Do" > more > recently. The law suits have already happened. _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 2,500 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2009: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://the-dojang.net --__--__-- Message: 9 Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 13:47:16 -0700 (PDT) From: steven riggs Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] The difference between tang soo do and soo bak do To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net    My first two instructors also had Hwang Kee's signature on their dan certificates and dan #'s. One was a very low number from the 1950's.  I can only address my situation as I  started in 1973.  The sign on the dojang was "Moo Duk Kwan". I was told we were studying Moo Duk Kwan Tang Soo Do.  I was told the art was a compilation of several arts and the school  (Moo Duk Kwan) was founded in Korea by Grandmaster Kee.     My very first instructor also studied under J.C. Shin who I believe studied directly under Hwang Kee. I never heard the phrase "Soo Bahk Do" for many, many years after that. Both my instructors explained that the difference over the years between the issue of what was Tang Soo Do and what was Moo Duk Kwan was essentially two issues.  A. One was a style and one the name of the school or art.  B. Political in nature.  Grandmaster Hwang Kee wanted his organization expanded to America.  Once here there began in fighting and the desire to be independent rather than unified under the grandmaster. Thus you had J.C. Shin and later C.K. Kim and others splintering off to develop their own organizations. Steven Riggs                 stevencriggs@yahoo.com www.americandefensivearts.org 828-322-6904 --- On Fri, 5/29/09, James Sleep wrote: From: James Sleep Subject: [The_Dojang] The difference between tang soo do and soo bak do To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Friday, May 29, 2009, 12:04 PM Perhaps someone could address my concern about the relationship of Tang Soo Do to Soo Bak Do.  I was taught by Jae Joon Kim Dan Bon 38 in the late 70's thru early 80's. I know that he was the 38th student of Hwang Kee to be awarded a black belt. I was told that he was sent by Hwang Kee to start the American Moo Duk Kwan Tang Soo Do organization. I was told by him that Tang Soo Do was the same as Soo Bak Do.  Now I hear that they are separate disciplines. Do Both schools, Tang Soo Do and Soo Bak Do, originate from Hwang Kee and if so, is the difference between the two philosophical or political?  I know that our black belts were midnight blue.  These days it seems that Tang Soo Do schools use Black as the Dan color while the Soo Bak Do schools use the midnight blue.  So I am a little confused.  I would appreciate any comments that would clear this up a little. Respectfully, James -----Original Message----- From: Ray [mailto:thedojang@sbcglobal.net] Sent: Friday, May 29, 2009 1:00 AM To: The_Dojang Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] MDK Logo MOO DUK KWAN has a trademark (service mark) registration date of December 6, 2005.  It was filed for on April 19, 2004, but not granted until 12/6/05. "Tang Soo Do" by itself is not registered with the US Patent and Trademark Office.  Some names containing TSD are registered, e.g. TANG SOO DO MI GUK KWAN, INTERNATIONAL TANG SOO DO FEDERATION, UNITED STATES TANG SOO DO MOO DUK KWAN FEDERATION, WORLD TANG SOO DO ASSOC, AMERICAN TANG SOO DO ASSOCIATION, etc. "OFFICIAL SOO BAHK DO" is the only name/phrase that goes back several years, to December 14, 1993.  Even UNITED STATES TANG SOO DO MOO DUK KWAN FEDERATION is fairly recent, with a registration date of November 14, 2006.  The date that it was requested was November 3, 2004. Ray On May 28, 2009, at 8:22 PM, Curt McCauley wrote: > "I think its interesting that this happened after Hwang Kee's passing" > > I believe if you research this both the terms, "Tang Soo Do" and > "Moo Duk > Kwan" were registered as trademarks many years back.  "Soo Bahk Do" > more > recently.  The law suits have already happened. _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 2,500 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2009: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://the-dojang.net _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 2,500 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2009: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://the-dojang.net --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2009: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. 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