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See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Today's Topics: 1. Re: Now this is what martial arts is all about... (Bob Banham) 2. Litigation Lotto (Robert Wood) 3. re: Legal perspective needed (Joel McTague) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "Bob Banham" To: Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Now this is what martial arts is all about... Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 14:01:10 +0100 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Thanks for posting this. As some of you may know, after 42 years in martial arts I am now in a wheelchair thanks to MS. When I saw GM West last in 2004 I was still just walking but now alas not so. I'm still teaching and training though. Anyway my intention is to create a network of disabled martial artists and those willing to teach them. If you think you would like to support us have a look at our site http://www.disma.co.uk or our Facebook page http://www.facebook.com/home.php?#/group.php?gid=92152824828 We have around 450 members globally now. Thanks in advance. Bob Banham ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bert Edens" To: Sent: Monday, August 10, 2009 4:46 PM Subject: [The_Dojang] Now this is what martial arts is all about... > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E4vqL78Vzfo > > Would love to find some video of this young man, too... > > *bows* > > - Bert --__--__-- Message: 2 From: Robert Wood To: Dojang Digest Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 07:26:39 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Litigation Lotto Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Jye, I agree w/ your approach to Self-Defense (SD). I am a retired US Air Force Security Policeman, I have imparted the same outlook w/ my wife and son. When I teach a Woman’s SD seminar I tell them the same; walk away or run away, however if touched go primal. First, remind your son that the crux of SD is fear…the fear that serious bodily harm or death will be perpetrated to him if action is not taken. SD claims usually begin to evaporate once the attacker has been neutralized (knocked to the ground; thrown; incapable of continuing the attack; etc). If the defender can escape, he or she must flee, the cool “finishing” technique could be used in a criminal/civil action as act of assault on the part of the defender and not SD. I would talk w/ the local City/District/State Attorney office for clarification, as that would be the office to bring charges and/or conduct the prosecution. Second, just because your son acted within the law and Tommy the Thug received painful consequences for his actions does not mean Tommy’s mommy won’t file a civil action. Train Daily; Train Smart; Train Hard! in His service, Rob Wood Knowing is not enough, you must apply...Willing is not enough, you must do. -- Bruce Lee The path of the Warrior is life long, and mastery is often simply staying the path. -- Richard Strozzi-Heckler I am careful not confuse excellence with perfection. Excellence I can reach for; perfection is God's business -- Michael J. Fox _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live™: Keep your life in sync. http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=PID23384::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:NF_BR_syn c:082009 --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "Joel McTague" To: Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 07:01:03 -0400 Subject: [The_Dojang] re: Legal perspective needed Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Jye, It depends on where you live. As a general rule, you are only allowed to use as much force as may be necessary to escape or control the encounter. That means you gave to convince a judge or jury that you used the minimum force necessary to protect yourself. And even if you did use minimum force, did that aggrevate an old injury in the other person? Were you aware of that injury? After you throw them and they show up in the court with a neck brace claiming you broke a couple of their vertibre, can you show that it was a simple, controlled throw incapable of doing that damage? But there are some huge exceptions to the general rule. For example, there's a group of states that say that you have a duty to run away, even if a person attacks you, and you cannot use force until you are backed into a corner and cannot retreat anymore, even if you are in your own home! Florida was like that until we passed the "Wild West" statute that eliminates the duty to retreat just a couple of years ago. Then there's the other notable exception (kind of like how we think we are in Florida right now) is that if you are attacked, you can use a decent amount of force to protect yourself, except if you work for a government agency (other than law enforcement), in which case you expressly don't have the right to defend youself. In Florida, if you are not a law enforcement officer and work for a government agency, you have the right to get your head bashed in. What I teach in my law classes is that if you attacked, throw up your hands, palms out, and shout "Oh, my God, please don't kill me!" over and over again, and then do whatever you need to do. Witnesses will testify that you expressed that you thought you were in fear of your life, so when a jury hears that they are more likely to cut you slack on how much force you used. Joel 3rd Dan TKD 2nd Dan Hapkido Jye said: My son had his 1st day of middle school yesterday and as he was coming home a kid started with him. The kid was behind him shoving him, and my son knocked his block off before I could get out the door. Now I've been training my son in very basic self defense, but I think I'm going to teach him more advanced things. The reason is because there was an incident where 3 kids jumped 2 filipino kids. One of the filipino kids got kicked in the head, stomped, and then jump stomped in the head; he was beaten so bad his mother took him out of school and moved back to the philipines. So the way I was taught is if someone is talking let them talk but if they put their hands on you then you break their neck, and that's what I'm passing onto my son. But I was wondering what if my son is attacked and throws or does a take down and say the attacker is severly injured, who's at fault from a legal standpoint? --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2009: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Creative Commons Attribution-Noncommercial-Share Alike 3.0 United States License. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest