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From the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net Thu Sep 10 17:20:26 2009 Return-Path: Received: from tarsus.bollow.ch (tarsus.bollow.ch [82.195.230.222]) by plus11.host4u.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id n8AMKPQ26204 for ; Thu, 10 Sep 2009 17:20:26 -0500 Received: from tarsus.bollow.ch (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by tarsus.bollow.ch (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C7EFB2810B; Fri, 11 Sep 2009 02:49:01 +0200 (CEST) Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 02:48:22 +0200 Message-ID: <20090911004822.8492.33344.Mailman@tarsus.bollow.ch> From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 16 #236 - 3 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Today's Topics: 1. RE: Differences in American Sport Tae Kwon Do and Traditional Tae Kwon Do Moo Duk Kwan (PETER.MCDONALDSMITH@london-fire.gov.uk) 2. Fwd: TKD Times 30 Year Anniversary Issue (California Taekwondo) --__--__-- Message: 1 Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Differences in American Sport Tae Kwon Do and Traditional Tae Kwon Do Moo Duk Kwan Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 10:44:00 +0100 From: To: Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I might have joined this a little late but if any of you get watch Choi's Legacy DVDs you will see that there is a significant difference between ITF AND WTF the North Koreans use Taekwon-Do to train soldiers to kill people or at least hurt them very badly. The other is a sport. People may go on to say that Judo is sport, indeed roughly translated it means gentle way. However every black-belt and most of the lower grades, will be able to use potentially lethal techniques. I don't want to open or reopen any cans with worms inside but I have seen so many parents take their child to a dojang so that they con learn to defend themselves. Then within two years they are black belts. The question mark remains on whether or not they can defend themselves. -----Original Message----- From: Ray [mailto:thedojang@sbcglobal.net] Sent: 05 September 2009 04:03 To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Differences in American Sport Tae Kwon Do and Traditional Tae Kwon Do Moo Duk Kwan Yes, I'd say that Korean TKD, i.e. Olympic-style TKD, is far more kicking oriented. That is about the only type of TKD you'll find in S.Korea these days. The TKD one can find in the US will be far more varied. I suspect that the style of TKD that you've been taught has been personalized thru the years by the various instructors in your lineage. What you describe is not typical TKD MDK, esp not the TKD MDK found in Korea today, as it is, again, Olympic-stye (aka Kukki) TKD. That can be seen by looking at the holders of various technical positions within the Kukkiwon. A recent chairman of the Kukkiwon technical committee was the President of the Korea TKD MDK Association. Checking the lineage you listed, the first two instructors named could not have been doing TKD since it did not even exist yet. Assuming they were MDK then they would have been Tang Soo Do MDK and some of what you describe in your style does seem closer to TSD than to TKD. While your style of TKD may not be typical, it sounds to me like a good one. Stay with it. On Sep 4, 2009, at 10:31 AM, mp75ftw@yahoo.com wrote: > Observing American Tae Kwon Do, I find it is more kicking oriented > with less hand, joint, trapping or grappling techniques. _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 2,500 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2009: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource. Standard disclaimers apply. Creative Commons Attribution-Noncommercial-Share Alike 3.0 United States License. Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://the-dojang.net **************************************************************************** LONDON FIRE BRIGADE For fire safety advice please go to http://www.london-fire.gov.uk/YourSafety.asp To book a LFB workplace fire safety training course go to http://www.london-fire.gov.uk/workplacefiresafetytraining.asp This email intended solely for the addressee and is confidential. If you receive this email in error, please delete it and notify the sender immediately. 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